Darina Allen objects to piggery

Grab All Association · 06-05-2021 2:57pm #1

Chef Darina Allen has joined a campaign to block the development of an industrial-scale piggery with capacity for almost 4,300 animals in east Cork.

The Ballymaloe Cookery School owner claims the development would ‘unquestionably’ harm her business as well as potentially contaminating Ballymaloe’s own spring water well.

In her complaint, Allen said: ‘The pervasive odour from the slurry is also of major concern and has the potential to devastate the integrity and reputation of our [Ballymaloe’s] Sustainable Food Project.’

You'd think they'd be trying to keep a low profile. There are worst things to have in your locality than a piggery. The thing they don't mention obviously didn't "unquestionably" harm her business.

https://evoke.ie/2021/05/06/extra/darina-allen-kicks-up-stink-over-plans-for-huge-pigsty-project

06-05-2021 3:00pm

Grab All Association wrote: »

There are worst things to have in your locality than a piggery.

I can't think of many.

There are lots of reasons to raise the eyebrows at the Allens. I'm sure we'd all object to a pig farm near us. The smell is indescribably, gag-inducingly rancid.

Edit: 12km away, so not really close-by. Still a filthy, cruel method of industrial farming, though.

Treppen · 06-05-2021 3:03pm

Grab All Association wrote: »

You'd think they'd be trying to keep a low profile. There are worst things to have in your locality than a piggery. The thing they don't mention obviously didn't "unquestionably" harm her business.

https://evoke.ie/2021/05/06/extra/darina-allen-kicks-up-stink-over-plans-for-huge-pigsty-project

Totally right, can't have a piggery beside a cooking school. No shortage of bacon in the shops, do we need more?

But aside their legitimate objections.... carry on with the monthly Allen bashing.

Thelonious Monk · 06-05-2021 3:13pm

I can't think of anything worse to have near me, disgusting what goes on in those places

alchemist33 · 06-05-2021 3:15pm

I misread the title as Buggery and thought we were going to have a very interesting thread

Cienciano · 06-05-2021 3:18pm

Depends on how far away. Who the fúck would not object to that being beside them?

super_furry · 06-05-2021 3:23pm

12km away according to the report. Shouldn't be an issue at all.

razorblunt · 06-05-2021 3:26pm

That’s only because they keep catching her grandson with drugs.

Cienciano · 06-05-2021 3:28pm

super_furry wrote: »

12km away according to the report. Shouldn't be an issue at all.

Ah here, crazy objecting to that. 12km away she can fúck right off.

jmayo · 06-05-2021 3:28pm

Grab All Association wrote: »

You'd think they'd be trying to keep a low profile. There are worst things to have in your locality than a piggery. The thing they don't mention obviously didn't "unquestionably" harm her business.

https://evoke.ie/2021/05/06/extra/darina-allen-kicks-up-stink-over-plans-for-huge-pigsty-project

Take enough of what her grandson has and she won't have to worry about the smell, ever.

Speedsie · 06-05-2021 3:34pm

super_furry wrote: »

12km away according to the report. Shouldn't be an issue at all.

We used to live close to a piggery & the smell was foul when they were cleaning out the sheds. But it was 2Km as the crow flies. 12Km should be fine - as you say, no issue at all!

Your Face · 06-05-2021 3:43pm

She's worried one of her lads will have a go on one of the pigs.

biko · 06-05-2021 3:45pm

NIMBY but sure, no one would want that close.

Government buildings · 06-05-2021 3:47pm

A piggery is a disgraceful way to farm pigs. They should be totally banned. Absolute cruelty

Dr Turk Turkelton · 06-05-2021 3:47pm

I'd be more concerned with a convicted paedophile in the family than a piggery 12km away but that's just me.

Turbohymac · 06-05-2021 3:47pm

Yes ..unfortunately it's a bit more in size than a pig farm..absolutely huge operation with slurry being spread over a large pre agreed area..but nobody living near any of the designated spreading areas were consulted..

Allinall · 06-05-2021 3:51pm

Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »

I'd be more concerned with a convicted paedophile in the family than a piggery 12km away but that's just me.

Can you not multi-task?

I'm sure Darina Allen can.

Del2005 · 06-05-2021 3:52pm

Turbohymac wrote: »

Yes ..unfortunately it's a bit more in size than a pig farm..absolutely huge operation with slurry being spread over a large pre agreed area..but nobody living near any of the designated spreading areas were consulted..

The farmers will be spreading slurry on the land regardless of where it comes from. Dairy slurry/milk waste wouldn't be much different from pig slurry, both stink. Living in the country you have to put up with smells.

Gael23 · 06-05-2021 3:55pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I can't think of many.
h.

A rubbish tip?

Darins should be promoting vegetarian cooking if she objects to this

Thelonious Monk · 06-05-2021 3:56pm

As someone with an interest in these things I have read countless tales of absolute horror from these places, here's a one recently in the news where pigs were being hammered to death at a "high welfare" piggery in the UK, Tesco have dropped them as suppliers.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pigs-farm-animal-cruelty-scotland-b1840471.html

Free range pork isn't much of a thing here but I wish people would reconsider buying meat from these places, they are horrific places and the pigs never see the light of day.
We already export 65,000 tonnes of pig meat a year, why do we need to be producing more given the cruelty and environmental damage involved?

Turbohymac · 06-05-2021 4:25pm

Hi della 2005.. I'm living in the countryside all my life..but theres a big difference between cattle slurry compared to pig slurry..also much less cattle slurry being spread compared to this factory operation. With artic 6000gallon old milk tankers being used to transport the slurry..
Also compared to cattle or dairy farms this will be a year round constant event
At least cattle are usually in from November to April only..
So much less per animal needing to be stored and spread

06-05-2021 4:34pm

I worked in a slaughter house in the US in my youth.The means we had at the time to kill pigs/cattle/sheep was with a bolt gun.Later on it was the electrodes.Neither is humane and in the morning as soon as you killed the first one,the rest would panic in the chutes.One of the worst experiences of my life.

I don't know the practices here but can't imagine it is much different.On a side note,pigs are smarter than dogs and are lovely companions.Sure they make a stink and dig up the place but alot of their personality make up for it.

Government buildings · 06-05-2021 4:54pm

How farming associations and the Green Party can allow these things to be built are beyond me. They are a disgrace.

06-05-2021 5:14pm

Turbohymac wrote: »

Hi della 2005.. I'm living in the countryside all my life..but theres a big difference between cattle slurry compared to pig slurry..

I think they're referring to milk effluent/sludge, which is spread on the land as well as your ordinary (relatively fragrant) cattle slurry.

Milk waste absolutely reeks.

TXinLK wrote: »

I worked in a slaughter house in the US in my youth.The means we had at the time to kill pigs/cattle/sheep was with a bolt gun.Later on it was the electrodes.Neither is humane and in the morning as soon as you killed the first one,the rest would panic in the chutes.One of the worst experiences of my life.

I don't know the practices here but can't imagine it is much
different

The method for killing pigs here is a carbon dioxide bath. They just fall asleep and are then killed by cutting. It's pretty humane, in fairness.

The cruel bits happen back in the piggeries.

Ronaldinho · 06-05-2021 5:22pm

Does nobody here like bacon?

Thelonious Monk · 06-05-2021 5:26pm

Ronaldinho wrote: »

Does nobody here like bacon?

Of course but people dont want to think about where it comes from. Cognitive dissonance.

Gael23 · 06-05-2021 5:27pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I

The method for killing pigs here is a carbon dioxide bath. They just fall asleep and are then killed by cutting. It's pretty humane, in fairness.

The cruel bits happen back in the piggeries.

So they are suffocated pretty much?

meeeeh · 06-05-2021 5:28pm

Ronaldinho wrote: »

Does nobody here like bacon?

I love bacon. That's why I buy from local free range producer. The difference in quality is huge.

I suspect part of the reason for objecting is that it would affect other less intensive suppliers.

Colonel Claptrap · 06-05-2021 5:33pm

I find it so difficult to find higher welfare or free range bacon products in the supermarkets. Local butchers are not much good either.

Any tips on where to source it?

I notice Lidl selling free range this week, but as a promotion. Not as one of their permanent products on the shelf.

06-05-2021 5:38pm

I love pork. Is there anywhere to buy free range pork in Ireland? These piggeries are very bad and would rather not support them if possible.

06-05-2021 5:39pm

Surely with the volume of slurry and animal products and wastes it must be viable or environmentally sound to treat slurry and use as a fuel or treat animal wastes/by products for some useful purpose other than just spreading it on land for it to leach into groundwater?

meeeeh · 06-05-2021 5:41pm

Sloan Juicy Pellet wrote: »

I love pork. Is there anywhere to buy free range pork in Ireland? These piggeries are very bad and would rather not support them if possible.

https://pigsonthegreen.wordpress.com/where-to-try/shops/

They're local to me so I don't know how much they supply outside those three food markets.

Thelonious Monk · 06-05-2021 5:43pm

I think dunnes do a range of free range pork steaks etc. Never seen processed pork like bacon or sausage that was free range. I would also be weary of what they mean by free range though.

gormdubhgorm · 06-05-2021 5:50pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

As someone with an interest in these things I have read countless tales of absolute horror from these places, here's a one recently in the news where pigs were being hammered to death at a "high welfare" piggery in the UK, Tesco have dropped them as suppliers.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pigs-farm-animal-cruelty-scotland-b1840471.html

Free range pork isn't much of a thing here but I wish people would reconsider buying meat from these places, they are horrific places and the pigs never see the light of day.
We already export 65,000 tonnes of pig meat a year, why do we need to be producing more given the cruelty and environmental damage involved?

I have no moral objection to eating meat none whatsoever. I like the taste of it. We have incisors, to cut and tear flesh.
I am a mammal top of the food chain.
I would draw the line at humans though!

The hippy dippy environmental guff, while although well intentioned irks me.
Why?

It is full of hypocrisy. Countries buying Carbon Credits.
Ultra environmentalist celebs travelling the world on planes, environmentalists vegetarians leading a 'cause' against meat eating. To 'save' the planet.

Meanwhile congratulating each other on what a great job they are doing on technology that causes far more damage to the environment than any farm would. Laptops, PC's, Mobile phones all those precious metals that have to be dug out of the ground so environmentalists can get 'followers'.

Just makes me laugh and that is being honest. Posts like the one above just make me think - oh 'one of those' crowd. Fair enough, each to their own. But it a religious fervour I do not want to force fed thanks very much. Pun intended.

As for Darina and her objection to a pig farm near her. Would anyone want a pig farm near them if at all possible? She would lose money.

KevRossi · 06-05-2021 5:52pm

I would have thought the pigs would be objecting to being within 12 km of Ballymaloe?

Thelonious Monk · 06-05-2021 5:54pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I have no moral objection to eating meat none whatsoever. I like the taste of it. We have incisors, to cut and tear flesh.
I am a mammal top of the food chain.
I would draw the line at humans though!

The hippy dippy environmental guff, while although well intentioned irks me.
Why?

It is full of hypocrisy. Countries buying Carbon Credits.
Ultra environmentalist celebs travelling the world on planes, environmentalists vegetarians leading a 'cause' against meat eating. To 'save' the planet.

Meanwhile congratulating each other on what a great job they are doing on technology that causes far more damage to the environment than any farm would. Laptops, PC's, Mobile phones all those precious metals that have to be dug out of the ground so environmentalists can get 'followers'.

Just makes me laugh and that is being honest. Posts like the one above just make me think - 'oh one of those' crowd. Fair enough each to their own

As for Darina and her objection to a pig farm near her. Would anyone want a pig farm near them if at all possible? She would lose money.

what the f*ck has your rant got to do with how horribly pigs are treated in factory farms? planes? precious metals?
let it all out...

Stovepipe · 06-05-2021 5:55pm

The Allens, unfortunately for their detractors, are clever at what they do and waste nothing and run a tight ship and consequently make money,when many others in the food business have not. You don't have to like any of them but they are successful and in many ways, were ahead of their time.

PCeeeee · 06-05-2021 5:58pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

what the f*ck has your rant got to do with how horribly pigs are treated in factory farms? planes? precious metals?
let it all out...

In fairness it has as much to do with what you suggest as you hopping on your vegetarian hobby horse on a thread about Darina Allen objecting to a pig farm.

Thelonious Monk · 06-05-2021 5:59pm

PCeeeee wrote: »

In fairness it has as much to do with what you suggest as you hopping on your vegetarian hobby horse on a thread about Darina Allen objecting to a pig farm.

Never mentioned anything to do with vegetarianism

PCeeeee · 06-05-2021 6:00pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Never mentioned anything to do with vegetarianism

No indeed.

meeeeh · 06-05-2021 6:02pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I think dunnes do a range of free range pork steaks etc. Never seen processed pork like bacon or sausage that was free range. I would also be weary of what they mean by free range though.

OH who has no idea where I shop for what mentioned in passing that those are really nice sausages, where did I get them. While honest selling practices are important to me the main reason for buying pork there is the quality and taste. There is some shocking pork sold in Ireland, some chops or fillet are impossible to sear because they are so full of water.

gormdubhgorm · 06-05-2021 6:03pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

what the f*ck has your rant got to do with how horribly pigs are treated in factory farms? planes? precious metals?
let it all out...

It is in the post above. You are one of those with a mad religious fervour on anti meat cruelty to animals etc fair enough that is your thing.
You probably fall for the not tested on animals guff as well.

They are animals we are humans I am much more practical. And I am more concerned with human life and not whether the way pigs are processed is 'cruel' or not. I could not give a damn and that is being honest.

Granted most people would not say it. And have some form of 'pretence' to sound hip and with it. But I am not one of those.

Oh the poor pigs! Are they human? Nope. Then it is not much of crisis as far as I am concerned.
I remember a former flatmate like you who used to try and put me off my fry by saying she smells burning flesh. Which only made me laugh. I no longer eat fries by the way grilling is much healthier.

You probably equate pig farms to Auschwitz. Ok fair enough that is your belief.
But do NOT try and 'force feed' your beliefs on others you just end up sounding like a myopic nag.

Treppen · 06-05-2021 6:07pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is in the post above. You are one of those with a mad religious fervour on anti meat cruelty to animals etc fair enough that is your thing.
You probably fall for the not tested on animals guff as well.

They are animals we are humans I am much more practical. And I am more concerned with human life and not whether the way pigs are processed is 'cruel' or not. I could not give a damn and that is being honest.

Granted most people would not say it. And have some form of 'pretence' to sound hip and with it. But I am not one of those.

Oh the poor pigs! Are they human? Nope. Then it is not much of crisis as far as I am concerned.
I remember a former flatmate like you who used to try and put me off my fry by saying she smells burning flesh. Which only made me laugh. I no longer eat fries by the way grilling is much healthier.

You probably equate pig farms to Auschwitz. Ok fair enough that is your belief.
But do NOT try and 'force feed' your beliefs on others you just end up sounding like a myopic nag.

Would you eat dog if it were available?

gormdubhgorm · 06-05-2021 6:12pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Never mentioned anything to do with vegetarianism

It was implied preaching Thelonious Monk from the alter we got the message. And I laughed at it and the way it was presented in such a religious like fervour.

This thread is about Darina giving out about a pig farm beside her as is her entitlement.

The debate is whether is correct is such an assertion or should not be making it.
It is not whether the pig farms are cruel nor if there are already too many of them. And it is Darina uses the environment as an excuse so she would not have a pig farm in proximity to his business. Foul smelling etc

From the OP's tone and article linked. The question is Darina entitled to complain about the pig farm on the basis of its smell affecting her business?

gormdubhgorm · 06-05-2021 6:13pm

Treppen wrote: »

Would you eat dog if it were available?

Yes I would if given the opportunity. And if was better value than the current meat that I consume.
If you could point me to same I would happily check it out.

Thelonious Monk · 06-05-2021 6:24pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Yes I would if given the opportunity. And if was better value than the current meat that I consume.
If you could point me to same I would happily check it out.

Good for you, but some people care about animal welfare and these piggeries are awful places. This woke celebrity culture of animal welfare has been around since at least 1829 when the RSPCA was founded. You don't need to worry about anyone taking your meat from you but some people wish standards were better than factory farms, you don't, that's ok too. I know that I wouldn't want one of these factories in my vicinity anyway.

gormdubhgorm · 06-05-2021 6:28pm

Plus I think Darina is being extremely clever here

1) Appearing to take the moral high ground

2) Writing a letter and getting free advertising in a newspaper

A win - win for brand Darina.

Speak Now · 06-05-2021 6:31pm

"Chef Darina Allen has joined a campaign"
The way the thread reads you'd think she was the only objector, plenty inside the 12km I bet

blade1 · 06-05-2021 6:32pm

razorblunt wrote: »

That’s only because they keep catching her grandson with drugs.

06-05-2021 6:35pm

Fair play to her- we should be encouraging as a society for greater free-range meat in general and forcing methods of production to radically change and to reduce the levels of intensive meat production - as a consumer i don't want to eat intensively farmed pork- I'll pay more for, and eat less of, organically and responsibly raised animal meat.

Our beef is well respected internationally- why not our pigs too- the English seem to have a lot more small production farms pushing out high end, well respected animal products - our standard widely available Irish pork chops taste nothing like what a good pork chop should taste like- as a result I never buy them and only purchase pork from a butcher with their own farm - you can tell the difference- they cost more, so you eat less- don't see a problem there at all.

suicide_circus · 06-05-2021 6:37pm

Try getting organic/free range pork. It's not a thing here.

Darina Allen objects to piggery

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