Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

snotboogie · 05-05-2021 01:14PM

munchkin_utd wrote: »

In germany too the numbers now are dropping quickly, and its too soon after the "lockdown" (what passes for a lockdown in Germany is still lighter restrictions than Ireland currently!!!) so it seems to be down to the effects of the vaccine.

They are also now focusing on factories and shared living like asylum seeker accomodation which can have bigger outbreaks, and now even sending mobile vaccination crews into deprived areas (Cologne started yesterday and other cities to follow suit) as thats a massive cause of infection.
They were saying that one high rise area of Cologne has an incidence of 500per 7 days (so 1000 per fortnight, as high as ireland at christmas) yet down the road in a more affluent area its only 30. If you control those areas of high incidence, in deprived areas and factories then thats a lot of gain for relatively little vaccine

Of course ireland plans to stick rigidly to vacinating by age and medical risk only rather than being strategic with a small portion of the supplies to stop the chains of infection in obvious places like factories and shared living facilities. You couldnt make this up.

I have no idea how Germany are getting their hands on all these vaccines but they'll hit 40 shots per 100 citizens on Friday. Which will be a 13 day turnaround from 30 shots per 100 to 40 shots per 100.

I predict we hit 40 shots per 100 on the 15th of May. Which would be a 17 day turnaround from 30 to 40 shots per 100.

stephenjmcd · 05-05-2021 01:18PM

An update on my father after he got his AZ jab on Monday afternoon.

As posted yesterday morning he had a bit of a sore arm, yesterday afternoon he was feeling a bit of fatigue, would be grand for a while then feel drained again, headache every now and then, flu like symptoms in general. Took a paracetamol & seemed to in the most pass by last night.

This morning just a slight soreness around the injection site but nothing else so all good.

Micky 32 · 05-05-2021 01:22PM

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1389900857571938305?s=21

revelman · 05-05-2021 01:22PM

Caquas wrote: »

Some comments after I got my AZ jab at the Aviva.

I thought I was doing fine until eight hours after the jab I began to feel flu-ish. Within an hour I was gobbling panadol and aching all over. Couldn’t sleep with the pain until I took Ibuprofen. That gave me enough relief to get to sleep after 3 am. Felt OK-ish the next morning but I don’t want to go through that again with the second jab.

I was also pissed off by the management of the Aviva centre. The staff were trying to be helpful and the inoculators were excellent but the appointment system was an utter fiasco. I got just 24 hours notice of my appointment by SMS but fortunately I was able to attend. The appointment was for 11.05 am and I’m the message said not to turn up more than 5 minutes in advance. A five minute window is extraordinarily narrow but I assumed it was to limit the numbers in the Aviva. How wrong I was!

I turned up precisely at 11.00 am to be met by friendly staff checking my ID who directed me upstairs to a bank of registration desks. There were about 25 people ahead of me but I was registered in about 10 minutes and directed to the queue for the inoculators. I could see about 20 people ahead of me in that queue but that was just the tail-end. I spent the next hour - sixty-two minutes to be precise- shuffling along in a queue that stretched three times the length of the stadium and up to the next level.

It’s not just the waste of time, it’s the imposition on all these people who were elderly or had underlying conditions. Many were clearly uncomfortable standing on their feet for such a long time.There were chairs arranged alongside the queue but that’s useless unless you were so exhausted that you preferred to give up your place in the queue. There were “contactless” water dispensers- I was the only one I saw trying to use one. No luck. Afterwards I discovered it was operated by a secret pedal to the side.

What a preparation for this inoculation which, as I discovered, is liable to hit you like a freight train!

I can imagine that something may have gone wrong with their scheduling that day but why didn’t they simply tell people “we have a very long queue, if you prefer come back in an hour”? The inoculation itself took all of 3 minutes and was painless. They should be able to calculate exactly how many appointments they can handle in an hour but it seems they prefer to just pile us in and let us stew, in normal HSE practice.

I’m sorry to hear about your ordeal but I think it is important to stress that only a minority of people will have side effects like yours: https://www.businessinsider.com/pfizer-astrazeneca-vaccine-side-effects-not-as-bad-as-trials-2021-4?r=US&IR=T

I’ve had 5 members of my extended family get AZ and not one of them reported a side effect.

For what it is worth, anecdotally, it seems to be the case that if you experienced side effects after the first dose, you are unlikely to get them after the second.

podgeandrodge · 05-05-2021 01:23PM

Caquas wrote: »

Some comments after I got my AZ jab at the Aviva.

I thought I was doing fine until eight hours after the jab I began to feel flu-ish. Within an hour I was gobbling panadol and aching all over. Couldn’t sleep with the pain until I took Ibuprofen. That gave me enough relief to get to sleep after 3 am. Felt OK-ish the next morning but I don’t want to go through that again with the second jab.

I was also pissed off by the management of the Aviva centre. The staff were trying to be helpful and the inoculators were excellent but the appointment system was an utter fiasco. I got just 24 hours notice of my appointment by SMS but fortunately I was able to attend. The appointment was for 11.05 am and I’m the message said not to turn up more than 5 minutes in advance. A five minute window is extraordinarily narrow but I assumed it was to limit the numbers in the Aviva. How wrong I was!

I turned up precisely at 11.00 am to be met by friendly staff checking my ID who directed me upstairs to a bank of registration desks. There were about 25 people ahead of me but I was registered in about 10 minutes and directed to the queue for the inoculators. I could see about 20 people ahead of me in that queue but that was just the tail-end. I spent the next hour - sixty-two minutes to be precise- shuffling along in a queue that stretched three times the length of the stadium and up to the next level.

It’s not just the waste of time, it’s the imposition on all these people who were elderly or had underlying conditions. Many were clearly uncomfortable standing on their feet for such a long time.There were chairs arranged alongside the queue but that’s useless unless you were so exhausted that you preferred to give up your place in the queue. There were “contactless” water dispensers- I was the only one I saw trying to use one. No luck. Afterwards I discovered it was operated by a secret pedal to the side.

What a preparation for this inoculation which, as I discovered, is liable to hit you like a freight train!

I can imagine that something may have gone wrong with their scheduling that day but why didn’t they simply tell people “we have a very long queue, if you prefer come back in an hour”? The inoculation itself took all of 3 minutes and was painless. They should be able to calculate exactly how many appointments they can handle in an hour but it seems they prefer to just pile us in and let us stew, in normal HSE practice.

Wow. That's so different to what I saw in Helix, which was seamless.

Micky 32 · 05-05-2021 01:25PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

An update on my father after he got his AZ jab on Monday afternoon.

As posted yesterday morning he had a bit of a sore arm, yesterday afternoon he was feeling a bit of fatigue, would be grand for a while then feel drained again, headache every now and then, flu like symptoms in general. Took a paracetamol & seemed to in the most pass by last night.

This morning just a slight soreness around the injection site but nothing else so all good.

Good stuff. My parents have had their second shot nearly 2 weeks now. Not one single side affect between them. They had the pfizer shot.

joeysoap · 05-05-2021 01:26PM

I’m 71 and got Pfizer 1st dose a week ago. Grand. ( though both my younger neighbors go theirs before me. Better half is (late)64 registered last week . No word yet,. She heard at work her practice was giving the vaccine to 55-59 next week. Rang surgery, gave her appointment next week. Astra. Happy with that.

revelman · 05-05-2021 01:31PM

joeysoap wrote: »

I’m 71 and got Pfizer 1st dose a week ago. Grand. ( though both my younger neighbors go theirs before me. Better half is (late)64 registered last week . No word yet,. She heard at work her practice was giving the vaccine to 55-59 next week. Rang surgery, gave her appointment next week. Astra. Happy with that.

Good news! Just make sure to encourage her to ring HSE hotline to cancel her MVC vaccine once she gets the text from them. Each place that is freed up is potentially another person that can be called in.

stephenjmcd · 05-05-2021 01:35PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Good stuff. My parents have had their second shot nearly 2 weeks now. Not one single side affect between them. They had the pfizer shot.

Yeah my grandmother got both doses of Pfizer back in March and not a bother, not one side effect.

2 of my friends work in hospitals in their 20s and they were both floored for a day after it, 2nd day was like the day before hadn't happened, not a bother on them

Caquas · 05-05-2021 01:44PM

:cool:

revelman wrote: »

I’m sorry to hear about your ordeal but I think it is important to stress that only a minority of people will have side effects like yours: https://www.businessinsider.com/pfizer-astrazeneca-vaccine-side-effects-not-as-bad-as-trials-2021-4?r=US&IR=T

I’ve had 5 members of my extended family get AZ and not one of them reported a side effect.

For what it is worth, anecdotally, it seems to be the case that if you experienced side effects after the first dose, you are unlikely to get them after the second.

Yeah, I seem to be an exception but not so rare. My brother had similar side effects, may be genetic?

And it was nothing compared to full-blown COVID.

Hope you’re right about the second jab.

eoinbn · 05-05-2021 01:54PM

snotboogie wrote: »

I have no idea how Germany are getting their hands on all these vaccines but they'll hit 40 shots per 100 citizens on Friday. Which will be a 13 day turnaround from 30 shots per 100 to 40 shots per 100.

I predict we hit 40 shots per 100 on the 15th of May. Which would be a 17 day turnaround from 30 to 40 shots per 100.

Germany hoovered up a lot of the extra Moderna that others didn't want. That probably accounts for 1.5-2.0 of those shots.

Russman · 05-05-2021 01:58PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1389900857571938305?s=21

Phenomenal results.

munchkin_utd · 05-05-2021 02:03PM

eoinbn wrote: »

Germany hoovered up a lot of the extra Moderna that others didn't want. That probably accounts for 1.5-2.0 of those shots.

as i mentioned before, Germany has a 6 week rather than 4 week gap with the Biontech vaccine so thats a full 2 weeks supply head start over Ireland of getting out first doses.

Russman · 05-05-2021 02:06PM

munchkin_utd wrote: »

as i mentioned before, Germany has a 6 week rather than 4 week gap with the Biontech vaccine so thats a full 2 weeks supply head start over Ireland of getting out first doses.

Maybe that should be the bone that NIAC throw Donnelly when they're deliberating over the revised rollout, "no you can't fill the Aviva with under 50s getting J&J and claim no feasible alternative available, but you can space the Pfizer doses out to 6 weeks"

revelman · 05-05-2021 02:07PM

munchkin_utd wrote: »

as i mentioned before, Germany has a 6 week rather than 4 week gap with the Biontech vaccine so thats a full 2 weeks supply head start over Ireland of getting out first doses.

Also, any adult can get AZ in Germany as long as they have spoken to their GP first. Plenty of people under 60 are getting it in Germany, which helps speed things up.

MerlinSouthDub · 05-05-2021 02:11PM

snotboogie wrote: »

I have no idea how Germany are getting their hands on all these vaccines but they'll hit 40 shots per 100 citizens on Friday. Which will be a 13 day turnaround from 30 shots per 100 to 40 shots per 100.

I predict we hit 40 shots per 100 on the 15th of May. Which would be a 17 day turnaround from 30 to 40 shots per 100.

I'm not sure they have any extra doses compared to us, per capita. They are just doing a great job at getting them into arms quickly.

As of today, I reckon we have received 2.14 million vaccine doses. I'm basing that off 43% of what Belgium has received from here: https://covid-vaccinatie.be/en/doses-delivered

So, we do have enough vaccine doses to be at 40 shots per citizen this week too (but clearly we won't be). I could forgive us falling behind a little bit with the AZ messing, but we should be past that now. We need to see rapid scale up over the next week. And 250,000 doses this week is just not enough.

OwlsZat · 05-05-2021 02:13PM

snotboogie wrote: »

I have no idea how Germany are getting their hands on all these vaccines but they'll hit 40 shots per 100 citizens on Friday. Which will be a 13 day turnaround from 30 shots per 100 to 40 shots per 100.

I predict we hit 40 shots per 100 on the 15th of May. Which would be a 17 day turnaround from 30 to 40 shots per 100.

They did an deal with some manufacturer before the EU deal was struck which prohibited any other side deals. Not like the Germans to be sneaky though is it.

Wolf359f · 05-05-2021 02:13PM

munchkin_utd wrote: »

as i mentioned before, Germany has a 6 week rather than 4 week gap with the Biontech vaccine so thats a full 2 weeks supply head start over Ireland of getting out first doses.

The shots per 100, is both first and second doses (total doses). So their 6 week gap over a 4 week gap will not impact the total doses per 100. It will or should only impact the ratio of first to second doses.

Lumen · 05-05-2021 02:16PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

I'm not sure they have any extra doses compared to us, per capita. They are just doing a great job at getting them into arms quickly.

As of today, I reckon we have received 2.14 million vaccine doses. I'm basing that off 43% of what Belgium has received from here: https://covid-vaccinatie.be/en/doses-delivered

So, we do have enough vaccine doses to be at 40 shots per citizen this week too (but clearly we won't be). I could forgive us falling behind a little bit with the AZ messing, but we should be past that now. We need to see rapid scale up over the next week. And 250,000 doses this week is just not enough.

The EU vaccine tracker has us at 2.1m delivered and 1.6m administered and Germany at 35.7m vs 30.6m.

JojoLoca · 05-05-2021 02:23PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

I'm not sure they have any extra doses compared to us, per capita. They are just doing a great job at getting them into arms quickly.

As of today, I reckon we have received 2.14 million vaccine doses. I'm basing that off 43% of what Belgium has received from here: https://covid-vaccinatie.be/en/doses-delivered

So, we do have enough vaccine doses to be at 40 shots per citizen this week too (but clearly we won't be). I could forgive us falling behind a little bit with the AZ messing, but we should be past that now. We need to see rapid scale up over the next week. And 250,000 doses this week is just not enough.

I think it will speed up going forward, as more vaccines are being delivered and you don't hear about any delays anymore. However I've decided to travel to my home country for the vaccine. They are already vaccinating people in late 30's, early 40's. I got my appointment in two weeks time for Moderna. Will have to go back after 5 weeks for the second jab, but the plan was all along to go home around that time. In Ireland I would probably have to wait another month before getting my first dose.

bladespin · 05-05-2021 02:25PM

Saw an article today questioning why pharmacies (with trained staff) aren't already administering vaccines, guessing once the general population point is reached things will really accelerate.

05-05-2021 02:36PM

Ballynally wrote: »

The trouble is, as always, that some people don't know how to read statistics and differentiate. They will continue to make reading errors and wont be open to any change of perception. It is the reason they posted in the first place, unaware of the distinction between different points of data. Then people react to that and the attack and defense game starts on a certain low level, intelligent people should ignore as it just consumes the wrong type of interest and keeps the ball rolling.
So, my advice in general would be: before you engage ask yourself to what purpose and to what aim? Will it fall on deaf ears? Will it inform anyone and are you open to even the slightest of changes of mind?
Otherwise it is just point scoring, offense and defense, winning or losing. You know, the usual issues.

You wont change the mind of those posting the nonsense. If left unchallenged some impressionable folks may be taken in by it however

Bubbaclaus · 05-05-2021 02:36PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

I'm not sure they have any extra doses compared to us, per capita. They are just doing a great job at getting them into arms quickly.

As of today, I reckon we have received 2.14 million vaccine doses. I'm basing that off 43% of what Belgium has received from here: https://covid-vaccinatie.be/en/doses-delivered

So, we do have enough vaccine doses to be at 40 shots per citizen this week too (but clearly we won't be). I could forgive us falling behind a little bit with the AZ messing, but we should be past that now. We need to see rapid scale up over the next week. And 250,000 doses this week is just not enough.

To be fair, around ~350k of that has arrived in the last few days.

MerlinSouthDub · 05-05-2021 02:40PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

To be fair, around ~350k of that has arrived in the last few days.

True, but the same applies to Germany

1huge1 · 05-05-2021 02:41PM

bladespin wrote: »

Saw an article today questioning why pharmacies (with trained staff) aren't already administering vaccines, guessing once the general population point is reached things will really accelerate.

Seems to me that we don't have the supply yet to start using Pharmacies seeing as how the MVCs are nowhere near capacity yet?

Open to correction on that.

revelman · 05-05-2021 02:53PM

1huge1 wrote: »

Seems to me that we don't have the supply yet to start using Pharmacies seeing as how the MVCs are nowhere near capacity yet?

Open to correction on that.

Also we need to open the 8 remaining MVCs

joeysoap · 05-05-2021 03:05PM

revelman wrote: »

Good news! Just make sure to encourage her to ring HSE hotline to cancel her MVC vaccine once she gets the text from them. Each place that is freed up is potentially another person that can be called in.

She was advised to cancel the HSE appointment once it comes. She will.

Strazdas · 05-05-2021 03:06PM

revelman wrote: »

Also, any adult can get AZ in Germany as long as they have spoken to their GP first. Plenty of people under 60 are getting it in Germany, which helps speed things up.

The suggestions today are that something similar will happen here with J & J and AZ for the under 50s. All of NIAC's recommendations are based on the assumption that plenty of other vaccines are available, but if we hit the point that many hundreds of thousands of people need to be vaccinated and we mainly have AZ and J & J available, then that's what they may get.

podgeandrodge · 05-05-2021 03:09PM

Strazdas wrote: »

The suggestions today are that something similar will happen here with J & J and AZ for the under 50s. All of NIAC's recommendations are based on the assumption that plenty of other vaccines are available, but if we hit the point that many hundreds of thousands of people need to be vaccinated and we mainly have AZ and J & J available, then that's what they may get.

Aren't we more likely, come July, to have more than enough Pfizer/Moderna and not have need to use up AZ stock at all? What will Govt. do if they have stocks of AZ to use up, but unlimited Pfizer? At some point something like that must happen, no?

snotboogie · 05-05-2021 03:11PM

Lumen wrote: »

The EU vaccine tracker has us at 2.1m delivered and 1.6m administered and Germany at 35.7m vs 30.6m.

That data looks to be a day old. Either way Germany are at 86% of doses administered compared to 76% here. Doses delivered are almost the same with 0.43 in per 100 in Germany vs 0.42 here

Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

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