Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

Russman

Flying Fox wrote: »

If you're bang in the middle of the most at risk group for clotting, you shouldn't be offered a vaccine that is not recommended for you by NIAC, and not offered an alternative.
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Exactly this. If there happened to be the odd case of it occurring because of circumstances, well, that happens. If it becomes stated policy to do this, and it’s flagged in advance that you’ll be doing it, then I think it’s potentially a big problem.

Wolf359f

SJFly wrote: »

With the vaccination passports and the single dose for j&j I don't think they'd be short of people opting in. Men in particular seem extremely low risk. I don't understand why this seems to have been taken off the table.

Last count from the FDA, there was 1 male case under review, but I haven't heard anything since. So there is potential there for it to be given to all males 18+ if we end up having excess supply (which we very well may have, I can't see J&J delivering Q2 on schedule)

franciscanpunk

appears some GP's are nowhere near making progress on cohort 4 and 7, some even not fully through over 70s. i assume GPs will only get pfizer to administer here so should all pfizer be kept for the GP and given to the 50-59 group given cohort 4 and 7 supposed priority?

podgeandrodge

franciscanpunk wrote: »

appears some GP's are nowhere near making progress on cohort 4 and 7, some even not fully through over 70s. i assume GPs will only get pfizer to administer here so should all pfizer be kept for the GP and given to the 50-59 group given cohort 4 and 7 supposed priority?

Good few GP's with Astra stocks as discussed earlier - they are being asked to use up supplies of Astra before it goes out of date.

astrofool

The risk from AZ is tiny and has a known treatment and easily caught. Do not self diagnose yourself as vulnerable to the side effects, you're not, the CVST condition that can occur and is treatable is a very specific condition unrelated to other clotting events. If you are refusing a vaccine that may very well save your life, then that is your choice and you will need to live with the consequences of that action.

Did I mention the futility of self diagnosing yourself as vulnerable to CVST yet?

When we get to July /August/ September and have excess supplies, go and be choosy, most importantly, get a vaccine. If you already passed up a vaccine, whatever you do, don't gamble, you're not very good at calculating risk.

moonage

Up to 21 April there have been over 1,000 deaths in the UK linked to the covid vaccines, according to official sources.

There were over 700,000 adverse reactions reported. Of course this is only the tip of the iceberg as only a small proportion ever get reported.

For AstraZeneca:
Total Adverse Reactions—573,650
Total Reports—153,098
Total Fatal Outcome Reports—685

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/982453/COVID-19_AstraZenenca_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf

For Pfizer:
Total Adverse Reactions—149,082
Total Reports—52,130
Total Fatal Outcome Reports—347

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/982474/Covid-19_mRNA_Pfizer_BioNTech_vaccine_analysis_print2.pdf

astrofool

moonage wrote: »

Up to 21 April there have been over 1,000 deaths in the UK linked to the covid vaccines, according to official sources.

There were over 700,000 adverse reactions reported. Of course this is only the tip of the iceberg as only a small proportion ever get reported.

For AstraZeneca:
Total Adverse Reactions—573,650
Total Reports—153,098
Total Fatal Outcome Reports—685

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/982453/COVID-19_AstraZenenca_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf

For Pfizer:
Total Adverse Reactions—149,082
Total Reports—52,130
Total Fatal Outcome Reports—347

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/982474/Covid-19_mRNA_Pfizer_BioNTech_vaccine_analysis_print2.pdf

All complete ballplop, as usual from you, only been 2 days since your last run away from answering any questions.

Ten of Swords

moonage wrote: »

according to official sources.

Such as?

moonage

astrofool wrote: »

All complete ballplop, as usual from you, only been 2 days since your last run away from answering any questions.

The figures I quoted are from the UK's MHRA(Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency), which runs the Yellow Card system.

You don't see this data reported on the BBC or other mainstream media. Hmmm.

questionmark?

moonage wrote: »

The figures I quoted are from the UK's MHRA(Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency), which runs the Yellow Card system.

You don't see this data reported on the BBC or other mainstream media. Hmmm.

So media in every country in the EU are not reporting on this even countries that are not using AZ like Denmark? Amazing co-operation from countries that can't agree jack ****e with the UK at the moment but are covering up their vaccine death stats. Hmmmm

astrofool

questionmark? wrote: »

So media in every country in the EU are not reporting on this even countries that are not using AZ like Denmark? Amazing co-operation from countries that can't agree jack ****e with the UK at the moment but are covering up their vaccine death stats. Hmmmm

I would wait for moonage to post their official sources that the publicly available data published to a public website says that 1000 deaths are linked to vaccines before engaging any further as this posters sole goal is to post anti-vax nonsense every few days while running away between posts because they have no data to backup their unadulterated nonsense and are too chicken to engage with people in real debate over what the data means (which is better off suited to the CT forum).

moonage

questionmark? wrote: »

So media in every country in the EU are not reporting on this even countries that are not using AZ like Denmark? Amazing co-operation from countries that can't agree jack ****e with the UK at the moment but are covering up their vaccine death stats. Hmmmm

I'm not talking about the UK or AZ in particular. I mean that the media in general around Europe and the world aren't very keen to report on and analyse adverse reactions and deaths.

charlie14

moonage wrote: »

Up to 21 April there have been over 1,000 deaths in the UK linked to the covid vaccines, according to official sources.

There were over 700,000 adverse reactions reported. Of course this is only the tip of the iceberg as only a small proportion ever get reported.

For AstraZeneca:
Total Adverse Reactions—573,650
Total Reports—153,098
Total Fatal Outcome Reports—685

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/982453/COVID-19_AstraZenenca_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf

For Pfizer:
Total Adverse Reactions—149,082
Total Reports—52,130
Total Fatal Outcome Reports—347

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/982474/Covid-19_mRNA_Pfizer_BioNTech_vaccine_analysis_print2.pdf

Did they find the microchips ?
Bill Gates and the wife are getting a divorce and she wants half of them back.

josip

moonage wrote: »

The figures I quoted are from the UK's MHRA(Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency), which runs the Yellow Card system.

You don't see this data reported on the BBC or other mainstream media. Hmmm.

That's because it's completely unverified, anyone can submit any kind of nonsense to it and it was comprehensively debunked back in January when the first anti-vaxxer tried to use it to sow doubt and uncertainty about the vaccine safety.

moonage

astrofool wrote: »

I would wait for moonage to post their official sources that the publicly available data published to a public website says that 1000 deaths are linked to vaccines before engaging any further as this posters sole goal is to post anti-vax nonsense every few days while running away between posts because they have no data to backup their unadulterated nonsense and are too chicken to engage with people in real debate over what the data means (which is better off suited to the CT forum).

If you don't accept official figures from the a UK government website then you're full of hot air.

Go to the last page of each of the two pdfs I linked to and you'll see Total Fatal Outcome Reports. Add them together and they come to over 1,000.

gozunda

SJFly wrote: »

With the vaccination passports and the single dose for j&j I don't think they'd be short of people opting in. Men in particular seem extremely low risk. I don't understand why this seems to have been taken off the table.

Thing is - in the US the The FDA has determined that the available data show that the J&J vaccine’s known and potential benefits outweigh its known and potential risks in individuals 18 years of age and older.

As of the 23 April - from 6.8 million doses of J&J administered, just 15 reports (women between the ages of 18 and 59) of a rare type of blood clot combined with low blood platelet levels occurring in people after receiving the J&J Vaccine had been reported

Couldn't find any confirmed reported cases for men.

astrofool

moonage wrote: »

If you don't accept official figures from the a UK government website then you're full of hot air.

Go to the last page of each of the two pdfs I linked to and you'll see Total Fatal Outcome Reports. Add them together and they come to over 1,000.

As you have been asked, produce your official sources.

Although it's f'n hilarious seeing an anti-vaxxer accuse others of hot air.

Deeper Blue

moonage wrote: »

If you don't accept official figures from the a UK government website then you're full of hot air.

Go to the last page of each of the two pdfs I linked to and you'll see Total Fatal Outcome Reports. Add them together and they come to over 1,000.

Let me guess, you believe the vaccines are "DNA altering" too?

moonage

josip wrote: »

That's because it's completely unverified, anyone can submit any kind of nonsense to it and it was comprehensively debunked back in January when the first anti-vaxxer tried to use it to sow doubt and uncertainty about the vaccine safety.

Source?

It's possible that mild adverse reactions could falsely be submitted but I would imagine that serious adverse reactions or fatalities would have to be submitted by healthcare professionals.

moonage

astrofool wrote: »

As you have been asked, produce your official sources.

Although it's f'n hilarious seeing an anti-vaxxer accuse others of hot air.

You seem to have a bad case of Vaxx Adverse Effects Denial Syndrome.

This is a strange thread. Only positive news about vaccines seems to be welcome. Anything negative and the tired old "anti-vaxx" label gets thrown about. And the conspiracy theory label too.

Tyrone212

moonage wrote: »

Up to 21 April there have been over 1,000 deaths in the UK linked to the covid vaccines, according to official sources.

There were over 700,000 adverse reactions reported. Of course this is only the tip of the iceberg as only a small proportion ever get reported.

For AstraZeneca:
Total Adverse Reactions—573,650
Total Reports—153,098
Total Fatal Outcome Reports—685

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/982453/COVID-19_AstraZenenca_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf

For Pfizer:
Total Adverse Reactions—149,082
Total Reports—52,130
Total Fatal Outcome Reports—347

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/982474/Covid-19_mRNA_Pfizer_BioNTech_vaccine_analysis_print2.pdf

Reuters article from March on this.

Any health professional or member of the public can report suspected side effects through the Yellow Card scheme.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL1N2LA28C

Tyrone212

Tyrone212 wrote: »

Reuters article from March on this.

Any health professional or member of the public can report suspected side effects through the Yellow Card scheme.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL1N2LA28C

Trouble is with this type, context is something that they choose to ignore. 40m vaccines administered in the uk. 1000 reports of deaths to the system. A system which is akin to trawling the ocean. You will find lots of deaths in people post vaccine, by chance, down to sheer numbers alone. In the vast majority of cases this will be found to have been unrelated to vaccination. They get reported though because the right thing is to investigate everything. And unfortunately by being open and publishing unverified data, the uk have opened the door to the anti vaxx movement to do what they always do, deliberately misrepresent.

ax530

When figures are used to calculate % population vaccinated how accurate is it?
Census taken few years ago? Electoral register?
I'm thinking about young adults living in Australia or UK ect who may now be counted.

emrys

ax530 wrote: »

When figures are used to calculate % population vaccinated how accurate is it?
Census taken few years ago? Electoral register?
I'm thinking about young adults living in Australia or UK ect who may now be counted.

i think they are working off a figure of circa 3.8 million 16+?

A quick search found this https://www.statista.com/statistics/710767/irish-population-by-age/
in 2019 there were 3.92 million aged 15 or over.

and if we have done i think 1.159 million first doeses to date thats what roughly 30 %?if working off 3.8m figure

secman

secman wrote: »

Update, just back from Citywest vaccine centre, extremely efficient, all told it took me 50 mins from entering the initial tent and leaving the vaccine centre. Running very smoothly.

Update:
Felt fine in the office yesterday, home full dinner, about 830 pm started feeling warm. In bed at 9:30 pm wth a raging temperature, continued taking paracetamol . Eventually temperature passed at 3:00am. So far that's the only side effect, fingers crossed.
A colleague got the vaccine on Sunday and unfortunately she is getting full kitchen sink side effects.
You just dont know, my wife was 8 days with various side effects, mainly flu like, dead arm and fatigue.

revelman

I find it really concerning that someone comes on here quoting the MHRA and linking vaccines to deaths. People read this forum for reassurance ahead of getting vaccinated. This should not be a place for misinformation. When you provide statistics, you also need to provide context. Here is the needed context from the MHRA website:

Vaccination and surveillance of large populations means that, by chance, some people will experience and report a new illness or events in the days and weeks after vaccination. A high proportion of people vaccinated early in the vaccination campaign were very elderly, and/or had pre-existing medical conditions. Older age and chronic underlying illnesses make it more likely that coincidental adverse events will occur, especially given the millions of people vaccinated. It is therefore important that we carefully review these reports to distinguish possible side effects from illness that would have occurred irrespective of vaccination. Fatal cases associated with extremely rare blood clots with lowered platelets are described above.

Part of our continuous analysis includes an evaluation of natural death rates over time, to determine if any specific trends or patterns are occurring that might indicate a vaccine safety concern. Based on age-stratified all-cause mortality in England and Wales taken from the Office for National Statistics death registrations, several thousand deaths are expected to have occurred, naturally, within 7 days of the many millions of doses of vaccines administered so far, mostly in the elderly.

The MHRA has received 347 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 685 reports for the Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine, 2 for the Moderna vaccine and 13 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified. The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness. Usage of the Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine has increased rapidly and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccine played a role in the death.

A range of other isolated or series of reports of non-fatal, serious suspected ADRs have been reported. These all remain under continual review, including through analysis of expected rates in the absence of vaccine. There are currently no indications of specific patterns or rates of reporting that would suggest the vaccine has played a role.

daydorunrun

degsie wrote: »

Covid will do little harm to a 12 year old...



BUT they can transmit and potentially harm others :rolleyes:

They can still transmit if vaccinated- so why not have full scale testing on younger kids before a full scale vaccination program starts for them?

Ballynally

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Trouble is with this type, context is something that they choose to ignore. 40m vaccines administered in the uk. 1000 reports of deaths to the system. A system which is akin to trawling the ocean. You will find lots of deaths in people post vaccine, by chance, down to sheer numbers alone. In the vast majority of cases this will be found to have been unrelated to vaccination. They get reported though because the right thing is to investigate everything. And unfortunately by being open and publishing unverified data, the uk have opened the door to the anti vaxx movement to do what they always do, deliberately misrepresent.

The trouble is, as always, that some people don't know how to read statistics and differentiate. They will continue to make reading errors and wont be open to any change of perception. It is the reason they posted in the first place, unaware of the distinction between different points of data. Then people react to that and the attack and defense game starts on a certain low level, intelligent people should ignore as it just consumes the wrong type of interest and keeps the ball rolling.
So, my advice in general would be: before you engage ask yourself to what purpose and to what aim? Will it fall on deaf ears? Will it inform anyone and are you open to even the slightest of changes of mind?
Otherwise it is just point scoring, offense and defense, winning or losing. You know, the usual issues.

snowcat

snowcat wrote: »

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/alberta-reports-first-death-linked-to-astrazeneca-vaccine-second-in-canada-1.5414639

1 in 253,000

daydorunrun

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Trouble is with this type, context is something that they choose to ignore. 40m vaccines administered in the uk. 1000 reports of deaths to the system. A system which is akin to trawling the ocean. You will find lots of deaths in people post vaccine, by chance, down to sheer numbers alone. In the vast majority of cases this will be found to have been unrelated to vaccination. They get reported though because the right thing is to investigate everything. And unfortunately by being open and publishing unverified data, the uk have opened the door to the anti vaxx movement to do what they always do, deliberately misrepresent.

Totally agree- my aunty in the UK has been bedridden and slowly dying for several years. She was vaccinated and died 3 weeks later- it wasn’t the vaccine that killed her.
When you give vaccines to the most vulnerable it doesn’t mean they will miraculously live 10 years longer, they are vulnerable for many reasons.
We saw some of the first people here to receive the vaccine and they were visibly very frail- covid or no covid.....vaccine or no vaccine they were not long for this life.
My aunty was on lots of different drugs- can we now claim she died from taking them?