Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

shatners bassoon · 02-05-2021 09:04AM

Like moths to a flame, the usual suspects appear! Page 625 and counting.

It’s a pity the Gardai don’t read this thread. They could have saved themselves a lot of hassle.

McMurphy · 02-05-2021 09:07AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Shock, horror. Leo’s phone wasn’t seized after all. He simply handed it over!

So Leo complained about his phone been taken by Gardai is completely ridiculous, as he simply handed it over to them voluntarily to begin with?

Comical Ali wouldn't get a look in with some of you Leoites.

Lol.

jmcc · 02-05-2021 09:10AM

shatners bassoon wrote: »

Like moths to a flame, the usual suspects appear! Page 625 and counting.

I am just working on a database (Internet rather than voter) and have some breaktime. Wonder if other Oireachtas committee members will be interviewed?

Regards...jmcc

02-05-2021 09:12AM

The best thing about this story was lots of angry men online spent months, huge emotional effort, and no amount of intellectual heavy-lifting trying to make this a big deal. Just because Paddy Cosgrave had a score to settle, and used his brainlet followers.

What a waste of time!

02-05-2021 09:17AM

jmcc wrote: »

Don't think that the phone was given back to Varadkar either when he asked.

Regards...jmcc

Oh did he ask for it back?
Link?

shatners bassoon · 02-05-2021 09:30AM

Nah, the best thing is watching the same posters move the goalposts for 626 pages to declare "victory". First there was nothing in it. Then it wasn't an official investigation. Now Leo handing over his phone willingly to the Gardai rather than it being seized is considered a win!

If this is a waste of time and there's nothing in it, the Gardai are either corrupt or incompetent. "It really is that simple

"

jmcc · 02-05-2021 09:31AM

Marine Layer wrote: »

Oh did he ask for it back?
Link?

Mentioned up-thread.

Regards...jmcc

shatners bassoon · 02-05-2021 09:34AM

Marine Layer wrote: »

Just ordinary witness statements, doubtless backing up the government's version of events
If this was not being conducted as thoroughly as it is, given it involves the top branch of government, there'd be reason to question its veracity

Even by this thread's standards, this is a pearl. On the one hand extolling the virtues of a thorough investigation (Sinn Fein! Kangaroo Court! Bobby Storey! etc) while on the other commenting that the statements are "doubtless backing up the government's version of events"!

shtpEdthePlum · 02-05-2021 09:43AM

I'm not buying the sindo, is p3 free anywhere?

Edit
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/former-td-kate-oconnell-interviewed-over-leaked-documents-investigation-40378429.html

Paid only but you can sign up with an email to get 3 free articles

attachment.php?attachmentid=552034&d=1619940496

attachment.php?attachmentid=552034&d=1619940496

Seems like the case is flying along. if somebody in pubic office needs to be removed from where they are, it will be promptly decided.

Possibly not a good look for Kate with the upcoming election seeing as she will be running for FG?

jmcc · 02-05-2021 09:46AM

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

I'm not buying the sindo, is p3 free anywhere?

Edit
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/former-td-kate-oconnell-interviewed-over-leaked-documents-investigation-40378429.html

Paid only

Phibes posted a scan of it above in a link.

Regards...jmcc

shatners bassoon · 02-05-2021 10:02AM

"It is understood that the Gardai intend to outline all the facts of the case to the DPP and it will be left up to the state prosecutor to make a decision on whether or not charges should be brought"

As you would expect.

As I said previously, establishing whether the document is confidential under the relevant legislation is not something the Gardai would be involved in. It's a legal question. Now maybe it's well known within the Gardai that the DPP will adopt that position but that seems unusual to me.

Also, if the evidence gathered so clearly demonstrates that the document wasn't confidential then as far as I can make out, the remainder of the investigation is rendered obsolete, so why are they putting so much effort into it?

shtpEdthePlum · 02-05-2021 10:04AM

shatners bassoon wrote: »

Also, if the evidence gathered so clearly demonstrates that the document wasn't confidential then as far as I can make out, the remainder of the investigation is rendered obsolete, so why are they putting so much effort into it?

"Fairness", "to be seen to be doing it" are the answers you will no doubt be hearing.

02-05-2021 10:37AM

jmcc wrote: »

Mentioned up-thread.

Regards...jmcc

I just wanted a link to where Vradakar said he requested his phone back as this is what you said happened, can you link to that please

shatners bassoon wrote: »

Also, if the evidence gathered so clearly demonstrates that the document wasn't confidential then as far as I can make out, the remainder of the investigation is rendered obsolete, so why are they putting so much effort into it?

Would you like to be the investigative branch that didn't?

A lot of files are sent to the DPP every year and not actioned
What we do know is we would expect the filed investigation to be thorough given its involving the top branch of government and not wanting its veracity to be questioned
I would want that too

shatners bassoon wrote: »

Even by this thread's standards, this is a pearl. On the one hand extolling the virtues of a thorough investigation (Sinn Fein! Kangaroo Court! Bobby Storey! etc) while on the other commenting that the statements are "doubtless backing up the government's version of events"!

As you quoted me, if you could point to where I made the above comments about the Storey investigation or SF kangaroo courts(the what now?) that would be good thanks, otherwise would you kindly get up the yard

jammiedodgers · 02-05-2021 12:45PM

Well at least the headlines are getting smaller for Leo and this nothing story.

golfball37 · 02-05-2021 12:50PM

He’s considering resigning soon according to Dan McDonnell. Of course it’s still a nothing story however !

Jinglejangle69 · 02-05-2021 12:51PM

golfball37 wrote: »

He’s considering resigning soon according to Dan McDonnell. Of course it’s still a nothing story however !

This has been on the cards for a while.

He said he wanted out at a young age.

golfball37 · 02-05-2021 12:56PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

This has been on the cards for a while.

He said he wanted out at a young age.

Yes but if he goes now this is his legacy no matter what he said previously, which I agree he has said more than once. The link between this and quitting will be permanent and inextricable no matter how it’s spun.
For me his legacy will always be he foisted SF on the rest of us, his way of doing politics was so insincere and lacking conviction he let the wolf in the door. He has damaged FG and what the stand for traditionally, Ira bashing aside.

Jinglejangle69 · 02-05-2021 12:57PM

golfball37 wrote: »

Yes but if he goes now this is his legacy no matter what he said previously, which I agree he has said more than once. The link between this and quitting will be permanent and inextricable no matter how it’s spun.
For me his legacy will always be he foisted SF on the rest of us, his way of doing politics was so insincere and lacking conviction he let the wolf in the door. He has damaged FG and what the stand for traditionally, Ira bashing aside.

Is he resigning immediately?

Bubbaclaus · 02-05-2021 01:01PM

golfball37 wrote: »

He’s considering resigning soon according to Dan McDonnell. Of course it’s still a nothing story however !

Certainly an interesting interpretation of that McDonnell opinion piece. At no point does he state that Varadkar is considering resigning.

Of course, Varadkar has long stated that he doesn't see himself as being a life long politican, so its a fair opinion for the writer to come up with, however McDonnell never claimed to have some inside scope in that article.

JeffKenna · 02-05-2021 01:13PM

golfball37 wrote: »

Yes but if he goes now this is his legacy no matter what he said previously, which I agree he has said more than once. The link between this and quitting will be permanent and inextricable no matter how it’s spun.
For me his legacy will always be he foisted SF on the rest of us, his way of doing politics was so insincere and lacking conviction he let the wolf in the door. He has damaged FG and what the stand for traditionally, Ira bashing aside.

Well a lot of the traditional FG votes, including my own, left under his leadership. In fairness to him he handled the pandemic well considering how Martin has performed. He stood up to Tony as well, might have been wrong in hindsight but I admired his backbone on that.

expectationlost · 02-05-2021 01:43PM

why are the gardai interview O'Connell and Durken?

oh heres the reason NAGP got support from four of the party’s Oireachtas members after lobbying campaign https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/doctors-group-at-centre-of-leak-controversy-had-threatened-fine-gael-with-protests-1.4397854

Muahahaha · 02-05-2021 02:29PM

jmcc wrote: »

Multiple question marks?

Just a small mention on the front of the Sindo.

Regards...jmcc

Id say Leo will be making dam sure that Kate o'Connell isnt within an asses roar of that by election ticket. He already shafted her in the last election during the campaign by absolutely flooding Ranelagh night after night with the Young Fine Gael army all with their 'Team Eoghan Murphy' orange rainjackets on. I saw 30-40 of them meeting at the Triangle at 6pm every evening. The younger lads had snot on their schooljumpers and the older lads all looked like Penfold out of Danger Mouse. My mate commented that he's never seen such a bunch of sad sacks all in the one place at the one time. They spent weeks wrecking the heads of Ranelagh residents to get them to vote for an incompetent Murphy over O'Connell, it worked too as he retained his seat and she lost hers.

The Fine Gael choir boys got both their supper and their revenge on O'Connell. In doing so they ousted one of Fine Gaels better performers from politics and literally engineered the re-election of one of the most incompetent Ministers every seen in this state. It says it all about the Fine Gael party really, they readily embrace mediocrity and actively fight for it.

Brendan Bendar · 02-05-2021 02:45PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Id say Leo will be making dam sure that Kate o'Connell isnt within an asses roar of that by election ticket. He already shafted her in the last election during the campaign by absolutely flooding Ranelagh night after night with the Young Fine Gael army all with their 'Team Eoghan Murphy' orange rainjackets on. I saw 30-40 of them meeting at the Triangle at 6pm every evening. The younger lads had snot on their schooljumpers and the older lads all looked like Penfold out of Danger Mouse. My mate commented that he's never seen such a bunch of sad sacks all in the one place at the one time. They spent weeks wrecking the heads of Ranelagh residents to get them to vote for an incompetent Murphy over O'Connell, it worked too as he retained his seat and she lost hers.

The Fine Gael choir boys got both their supper and their revenge on O'Connell. In doing so they ousted one of Fine Gaels better performers from politics and literally engineered the re-election of one of the most incompetent Ministers every seen in this state. It says it all about the Fine Gael party really, they readily embrace mediocrity and actively fight for it.

Lot of bile in the last paragraph in fairness.

9.5 I’d give it on the Boards Bileometer.

FrancieBrady · 02-05-2021 02:52PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Id say Leo will be making dam sure that Kate o'Connell isnt within an asses roar of that by election ticket. He already shafted her in the last election during the campaign by absolutely flooding Ranelagh night after night with the Young Fine Gael army all with their 'Team Eoghan Murphy' orange rainjackets on. I saw 30-40 of them meeting at the Triangle at 6pm every evening. The younger lads had snot on their schooljumpers and the older lads all looked like Penfold out of Danger Mouse. My mate commented that he's never seen such a bunch of sad sacks all in the one place at the one time. They spent weeks wrecking the heads of Ranelagh residents to get them to vote for an incompetent Murphy over O'Connell, it worked too as he retained his seat and she lost hers.

The Fine Gael choir boys got both their supper and their revenge on O'Connell. In doing so they ousted one of Fine Gaels better performers from politics and literally engineered the re-election of one of the most incompetent Ministers every seen in this state. It says it all about the Fine Gael party really, they readily embrace mediocrity and actively fight for it.

The cult of Leo.

The party members voted against him by 7000 to 3000 approx. He has done a lot of damage and there'll be plenty of knives awaiting a home I reckon.

shtpEdthePlum · 02-05-2021 02:57PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Lot of bile in the last paragraph in fairness.

9.5 I’d give it on the Boards Bileometer.

Any actual feedback, besides the usual slinging of muck?

Leo has actively damaged FG through his own posturing, leaking, smears against his own party members and ensuring jobs for the boys (however incompetent).

I wasn't there to witness the schoolkids out canvassing for Murphs, but clearly it made a big impact, just like he made a big impact on the homelessness crisis.

Not in a good way.

Brendan Bendar · 02-05-2021 03:01PM

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Any actual feedback, besides the usual slinging of muck?

Leo has actively damaged FG through his own posturing, leaking, smears against his own party members and ensuring jobs for the boys (however incompetent).

I wasn't there to witness the schoolkids out canvassing for Murphs, but clearly it made a big impact, just like he made a big impact on the homelessness crisis.

Not in a good way.

Gave the feedback……. to the slinging of muck.

02-05-2021 03:06PM

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Any actual feedback, besides the usual slinging of muck?

Leo has actively damaged FG through his own posturing, leaking, smears against his own party members and ensuring jobs for the boys (however incompetent).

I wasn't there to witness the schoolkids out canvassing for Murphs, but clearly it made a big impact, just like he made a big impact on the homelessness crisis.

Not in a good way.

That why they're polling consistently 10% higher than GE 20 or is it just your view?
Lookit there's a large cohort in the centre of Irish politics that don't look left or care a penny damn how many U. S soldiers flow through Shannon
They're interested in ambition and a good living for themselves, friends and families, something more maybe if it comes from a strong economy, certainly nothing less
That cohort votes in the centre and is largely turned off by shouting angry lefties

jmcc · 02-05-2021 03:10PM

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Any actual feedback, besides the usual slinging of muck?

Leo has actively damaged FG through his own posturing, leaking, smears against his own party members and ensuring jobs for the boys (however incompetent).

I wasn't there to witness the schoolkids out canvassing for Murphs, but clearly it made a big impact, just like he made a big impact on the homelessness crisis.

Not in a good way.

Varadkar led FG to its worst GE defeat since 1948. apparently.

Regards...jmcc

02-05-2021 03:12PM

jmcc wrote: »

Varadkar led FG to its worst GE defeat since 1948. apparently.

Regards...jmcc

Shhh, the FG deflection crew will be in to tell us he cleaned up the party and got rid of some excess voters they didn't need!

02-05-2021 03:18PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Shhh, the FG deflection crew will be in to tell us he cleaned up the party and got rid of some excess voters they didn't need!

Nah, they'll just remind ye of SF's and FG's election results 9 months prior in 2019 as a cautionary tale on protest vote dependency or declarations of what's going on based on one vote

Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

Comments