John Waters & Gemma O'Doherty to challenge lockdown in the high Court

harrylittle · 01-05-2021 1:31pm

TaurenDruid wrote: »

But it isn't.

I'd started actually typing out stuff explaining why there is no 'plandemic conspiracy' but ffs, what was I thinking.

The 'plandemic' stuff is bollocks. I know that, the courts know that, the people who've died from covid... well. Deep down, I suspect even John, Gemma, and possibly even you actually know that.

Whats your reasons to say its not a plandemic ... and ill see if they hold water

extra gravy · 01-05-2021 1:39pm

harrylittle wrote: »

plandemic

Looking forward to the day when we never have to hear this idiotic word again.

The Nal · 01-05-2021 1:47pm

harrylittle wrote: »

Whats your reasons to say its not a plandemic ... and ill see if they hold water

Conspiracy theories are that way......

Lets try keep the thread on topic, which is the hilarious fact that Gemma and John are in dire legal and financial trouble.

Another one to add to the Gemma failure list.

Sacked by the Indo, failed to get a nomination for the presidency, less than 2% of the vote in the European elections, 4% in the Dublin Fingal by-election, less than 2% in the General election, banned from Youtube and Twitter, was sued for defamation, failed in the Covid legislation case, has no friends and is disowned by her family.

Can't think of a bigger loser in the country. Quite literally. At some point you'd think she might have a look at her life and decide she may not be on the right track. Shes a complete failure.

HeidiHeidi · 01-05-2021 1:48pm

harrylittle wrote: »

Whats your reasons to say its not a plandemic ... and ill see if they hold water

Why don't you explain why you think it is, and we'll do the same?

Seeing as you're the one making the (ridiculous) allegation.

But I'm guessing you won't....

harrylittle · 01-05-2021 2:07pm

myfreespirit wrote: »

This post is succinctly summed up by the following apposite comment by Umberto Eco:

"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots"

george orwell also summed it up well .....

“Threats to freedom of speech, writing, and action, though often trivial in isolation, are cumulative in their effect, and unless checked, lead to a general disrespect for the rights of the citizen.”

“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”

“Each generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it. This is an illusion.”

“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”

“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.”

“You are free to be a drunkard, an idler, a coward, a backbiter, a fornicator; but you are not free to think for yourself.”

tayto lover · 01-05-2021 2:18pm

harrylittle wrote: »

george orwell also summed it up well .....

“Threats to freedom of speech, writing, and action, though often trivial in isolation, are cumulative in their effect, and unless checked, lead to a general disrespect for the rights of the citizen.”

“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”

“Each generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it. This is an illusion.”

“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”

“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.”

“You are free to be a drunkard, an idler, a coward, a backbiter, a fornicator; but you are not free to think for yourself.”

Here’s another-
“ Some people are too stupid to be allowed opinions”. Tayto.

harrylittle · 01-05-2021 2:19pm

The Nal wrote: »

Conspiracy theories are that way......

Lets try keep the thread on topic, which is the hilarious fact that Gemma and John are in dire legal and financial trouble.

Another one to add to the Gemma failure list.

Sacked by the Indo, failed to get a nomination for the presidency, less than 2% of the vote in the European elections, 4% in the Dublin Fingal by-election, less than 2% in the General election, banned from Youtube and Twitter, was sued for defamation, failed in the Covid legislation case, has no friends and is disowned by her family.

Can't think of a bigger loser in the country. Quite literally. At some point you'd think she might have a look at her life and decide she may not be on the right track. Shes a complete failure.

George Orwell has a good qoute for Gemma also

“Being in a minority, even in a minority of one, did not make you mad. There was truth and there was untruth, and if you clung to the truth even against the whole world, you were not mad.”
George Orwell quote

01-05-2021 2:31pm

Conspiracy theorists love Orwell, though they don't seem to be familiar with his books.

Strange thing..

Necro · 01-05-2021 2:59pm

Mod:

Conspiracy Theory Forum would be better for all this 'plandemic' discussion. Let's move on and not bring it up again, cheers

01-05-2021 3:09pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Conspiracy theorists love Orwell, though they don't seem to be familiar with his books.

Strange thing..

That's the problem with quotations, people don't tend to understand what they mean, the background behind them and tend to leave some of the text out. But they sound clever.

swampy353 · 03-05-2021 8:09am

DubInMeath wrote: »

That's the problem with quotations, people don't tend to understand what they mean, the background behind them and tend to leave some of the text out. But they sound clever.

When you say they sound clever... ðŸ˜œ

micosoft · 04-05-2021 12:30pm

myfreespirit wrote: »

This post is succinctly summed up by the following apposite comment by Umberto Eco:

"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots"

This. Once upon a time the Village idiot and the Bar Bore would sit at the end of a bar in their village and be ridiculed. Social Media has given them a wider outlet and the ability to coalesce... essentially instead of tolerating villages idiots and bar bores individually they have now evolved and formed a global community. Not sure what you would call it? a plague of village idiots? A flatulance of Bar Bores? Whatever. But its another genie that Social media let out of the bottle that we need to put back in somehow.

myfreespirit · 04-05-2021 7:04pm

micosoft wrote: »

...
But its another genie that Social media let out of the bottle that we need to put back in somehow.

It is not at all certain that this particular genie can be put back in the bottle, unfortunately.
Social media giants such as Facebook and Twitter are reluctant to police this phenomenon, which allows the influence of "the idiots" to proliferate. Just look at Trump and his followers in the US. Similarly with Brexit in the UK, the useful idiots on social media have allowed the Tories to promote the lunacy of "Global Britain", another vacuous bit of nonsense.
What is really worrying is that these idiots are allowed to spread their nonsense far and wide and there seems to be little that can be done to prevent them. Anti-mask nutjobs, anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theorists, you name it, all have their say on social media.

Vaccinated30 · 04-05-2021 7:09pm

micosoft wrote: »

This. Once upon a time the Village idiot and the Bar Bore would sit at the end of a bar in their village and be ridiculed. Social Media has given them a wider outlet and the ability to coalesce... essentially instead of tolerating villages idiots and bar bores individually they have now evolved and formed a global community. Not sure what you would call it? a plague of village idiots? A flatulance of Bar Bores? Whatever. But its another genie that Social media let out of the bottle that we need to put back in somehow.

A brainwashed Cult is what I would call it

growleaves · 04-05-2021 9:57pm

myfreespirit wrote: »

It is not at all certain that this particular genie can be put back in the bottle, unfortunately.
Social media giants such as Facebook and Twitter are reluctant to police this phenomenon, which allows the influence of "the idiots" to proliferate. Just look at Trump and his followers in the US. Similarly with Brexit in the UK, the useful idiots on social media have allowed the Tories to promote the lunacy of "Global Britain", another vacuous bit of nonsense.
What is really worrying is that these idiots are allowed to spread their nonsense far and wide and there seems to be little that can be done to prevent them. Anti-mask nutjobs, anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theorists, you name it, all have their say on social media.

One year ago, almost to the day, Leo Varadkar publicly said "The science on masks is equivocal". Now maybe he was mistaken or lying but "anti-mask nutjobs spreading their nonsense"?

Until very recently you didn't have total conformity morphing in real time to match whatever politicians say is the current belief.

For instance in the 1980s Garret Fitzgerald would not have gotten away with being as labile as Varadkar. He could not have deployed sudden total reversals in policy or rhetoric and if he had people who noticed the inconsistency or objected would not be dismissed as insane.

degrassinoel · 05-05-2021 9:42am

harrylittle wrote: »

why is it stupid .. there are fundamental rights at stake .. whether you agree or disagree with the argument... they have the courage and conviction to stand up for those rights ... having people like that is very important to maintain democracy and civil liberties... and should be applauded for their stance ... not jeered at

Do you remember that video where Gemma O'D went into a halal shop and jeered the shop staff about their religion, was she fighting for everyone's civil liberties there too?

What about the bans she received for racism on facebook and youtube and godknows what else at this stage, were they all stunts for protecting the civil liberties of everyone, or just white Irish people?

Is that the type of person you want fighting your corner for civil liberties?

She's a well known racist, anything either her or John Waters says is tainted by their past and present hatred and racism, regardless of how mental they both sound on other topics.

myfreespirit · 05-05-2021 10:56am

growleaves wrote: »

One year ago, almost to the day, Leo Varadkar publicly said "The science on masks is equivocal". Now maybe he was mistaken or lying but "anti-mask nutjobs spreading their nonsense"?

Until very recently you didn't have total conformity morphing in real time to match whatever politicians say is the current belief.

For instance in the 1980s Garret Fitzgerald would not have gotten away with being as labile as Varadkar. He could not have deployed sudden total reversals in policy or rhetoric and if he had people who noticed the inconsistency or objected would not be dismissed as insane.

What on earth are you on about?

The scientific research evolved, as medical experts studied how SARS Cov2 was being transmitted. Instead of fomite transmission (being picked up by touching surfaces), it was discovered that airborne aerosol transmission was the primary cause. Therefore, logically, controlling generation of aerosols by wearing a face masks makes good sense.
Hence, the change in policy, with proven benefits.

05-05-2021 11:16am

myfreespirit wrote: »

What on earth are you on about?

The scientific research evolved, as medical experts studied how SARS Cov2 was being transmitted. Instead of fomite transmission (being picked up by touching surfaces), it was discovered that airborne aerosol transmission was the primary cause. Therefore, logically, controlling generation of aerosols by wearing a face masks makes good sense.
Hence, the change in policy, with proven benefits.

Some people live in a world where we're supposed to have total knowledge of a new virus instantly.

The idea that situations evolve over time is too much to bear, apparently.

Lewis_Benson · 23-05-2021 12:29pm

Is that gobshyte still alive?

Lumen · 23-05-2021 12:37pm

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

Is that gobshyte still alive?

She was reportedly driving around Greystones yesterday in a pickup towing a display trailer with antivax messages. :rolleyes:

AndrewJRenko · 23-05-2021 12:57pm

Lumen wrote: »

She was reportedly driving around Greystones yesterday in a pickup towing a display trailer with antivax messages. :rolleyes:

Hope she has a licence to tow a trailer

punisher5112 · 24-05-2021 12:23am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Hope she has a licence to tow a trailer

You don't need one if under a certain weight.....

runawaybishop · 24-05-2021 12:57am

punisher5112 wrote: »

You don't need one if under a certain weight.....

I'd say that chip on her shoulder puts her well over the limit

micosoft · 30-05-2021 11:55am

myfreespirit wrote: »

It is not at all certain that this particular genie can be put back in the bottle, unfortunately.
Social media giants such as Facebook and Twitter are reluctant to police this phenomenon, which allows the influence of "the idiots" to proliferate. Just look at Trump and his followers in the US. Similarly with Brexit in the UK, the useful idiots on social media have allowed the Tories to promote the lunacy of "Global Britain", another vacuous bit of nonsense.
What is really worrying is that these idiots are allowed to spread their nonsense far and wide and there seems to be little that can be done to prevent them. Anti-mask nutjobs, anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theorists, you name it, all have their say on social media.

When I say put the genie back in the bottle I agree we can't turn back time. But we can take action - and trying to "moderate it" like lockdowns won't work in long term. There is an endless supply of village idiots - like suckers, a new one is born every minute. What we need to do is develop a vaccine and inoculate future generations against it by using the education system to teach children how social media and this lot misinform - from basic statistics to disassembling disingenious arguments. The Finns and the Estonians are busy doing this. We can't get rid if the disease completely but we can develop "herd immunity" to stupidity. Thats the dream anyway.

Larbre34 · 30-05-2021 12:00pm

It'd be a terrible shame if a fire axe ended up somehow buried in that matrix sign.

Hotblack Desiato · 02-06-2021 12:36am

micosoft wrote: »

What we need to do is develop a vaccine and inoculate future generations against it by using the education system to teach children how social media and this lot misinform - from basic statistics to disassembling disingenious arguments. The Finns and the Estonians are busy doing this. We can't get rid if the disease completely but we can develop "herd immunity" to stupidity. Thats the dream anyway.

Instead what we do is we spend at least 30 minutes every single school day teaching kids the original fake news - religion.

14-03-2022 9:14pm

These 2 are up presenting to the supreme court on Tuesday. Again they've refused legal aid so will argue the case themselves which, judging on past history, means they are likely to fail miserably, but then maybe the day out in court is all they are looking for

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/supreme-court/seven-judge-supreme-court-to-hear-appeal-by-gemma-o-doherty-and-john-waters-1.4826277

GM228 · 14-03-2022 9:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118785282#Comment_118785282

I bet the the war in Ukraine will somehow find its way into their argument, even though obviously it has nothing to do with their case and happened a few years afterwards, but hey why should that get it the way.

Look forward to reading that judgement and the rubbish arguments they put forward....

TaurenDruid · 15-03-2022 1:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118785450#Comment_118785450

Biolabs in Ukraine! Run by the Americans! You know who's American? George Soros, that's who! See! Wake up, sheeple! 😜

Annasopra · 15-03-2022 10:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118785282#Comment_118785282

Thats it really. They are looking for the day in court for attention seeking. No other reason really

John Waters & Gemma O'Doherty to challenge lockdown in the high Court

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