Will the Rovers ever Return? Your pub megathread, Part 2 - threadbans in OP

DessieJames · 29-04-2021 04:20PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Called by who?

let me get my crystal ball and see if i can find out.

next weeks lottery numbers while im at it.

Coillte_Bhoy · 29-04-2021 04:58PM

DessieJames wrote: »

i agree in some instances they have which some people werent particulary happy about, but in most cases they have called them out and highlighted many issues where they have in effect completely fcuked it up.

Minor quibbles about details, by and large they have backed the govt on the big issues. What have the actually proposed that differed substantially from the Govt?

Coillte_Bhoy · 29-04-2021 05:00PM

DessieJames wrote: »

I'd say Holohan isnt a happy man, he loves a good lockdown and probably advised level 5 until June,i think FFG in this instance have actually seen that the majority of people arent bothering with these restritions anymore as in staying in your own county, not meeting family or friends and having been in the airport to take a flight in the last few weeks it was much busier than what ive seen since before this started so people are flying again and this is all great to see, so they've seen all of this and the level of anger and had to react and loosen more restrictions than what NPHET suggested, id be anything this is what is the case.

So you are saying the Govt are not following NPHETS advice in this instance?

MOR316 · 29-04-2021 06:48PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

People apparently won't vote for ffg because of lockdown, but will vote for sf who *checks notes* wanted a harsher lockdown.

FWIW...The people voted FF back in after everything that happened.

SF probably will be voted in next time around but, won't be long until FF or whoever are back

opinionated3 · 29-04-2021 06:56PM

Apologies if this has been asked already but do we know yet when we can actually go in to a pub for a few pints, rather than having to sit outside?
My local only has a footpath and car spaces at its front door, so I'm assuming they can't open

MOR316 · 29-04-2021 06:57PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Apologies if this has been asked already but do we know yet when we can actually go in to a pub for a few pints, rather than having to sit outside?
My local only has a footpath and car spaces at its front door, so I'm assuming they can't open

Nah not yet unfortunately.

hynesie08 · 29-04-2021 06:58PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Apologies if this has been asked already but do we know yet when we can actually go in to a pub for a few pints, rather than having to sit outside?
My local only has a footpath and car spaces at its front door, so I'm assuming they can't open

July is what we have so far, the leaks said the 5th but MM refused to give dates for July.

Itssoeasy · 29-04-2021 06:58PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Apologies if this has been asked already but do we know yet when we can actually go in to a pub for a few pints, rather than having to sit outside?
My local only has a footpath and car spaces at its front door, so I'm assuming they can't open

No we don’t.

29-04-2021 07:05PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Apologies if this has been asked already but do we know yet when we can actually go in to a pub for a few pints, rather than having to sit outside?
My local only has a footpath and car spaces at its front door, so I'm assuming they can't open

And this is the key question. The answer to be blunt is no. In the rush for people to fall over themselves praising MM, the government have completely sidestepped this issue. There are some nebulous rumours about July, this will inevitably get pushed back to August and beyond. I know three publicans in my home town who cannot reopen for months because they don't have outdoor beer gardens, two of them are on the verge of going under with rates putting them in considerable debt. Some mickey mouse stipend from the government isn't going to patch up that financial hole, they have been abandoned by our esteemed leaders.

Zebra3 · 29-04-2021 07:13PM

DessieJames wrote: »

do you really think it will be that long, id bet as soon as this madness is over there will be an election, next year probably.

Unless something GUBU happens, there won't be a GE until the Dáil runs its' course.

FF TDs would be seriously worried about losing their seats and Leaky will be taking over from Mehole halfway through the term so FG have no incentive to collapse the Dáil. Greens will see it out to get whatever they can of their policies passed.

saabsaab · 29-04-2021 07:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And this is the key question. The answer to be blunt is no. In the rush for people to fall over themselves praising MM, the government have completely sidestepped this issue. There are some nebulous rumours about July, this will inevitably get pushed back to August and beyond. I know three publicans in my home town who cannot reopen for months because they don't have outdoor beer gardens, two of them are on the verge of going under with rates putting them in considerable debt. Some mickey mouse stipend from the government isn't going to patch up that financial hole, they have been abandoned by our esteemed leaders.

To be fair to the Government they can't save everyone's business. Many were going anyway and the need for the 'beer garden' and other facilities in pubs has been clear for some time.

NIAC Fanboy · 29-04-2021 07:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And this is the key question. The answer to be blunt is no. In the rush for people to fall over themselves praising MM, the government have completely sidestepped this issue. There are some nebulous rumours about July, this will inevitably get pushed back to August and beyond. I know three publicans in my home town who cannot reopen for months because they don't have outdoor beer gardens, two of them are on the verge of going under with rates putting them in considerable debt. Some mickey mouse stipend from the government isn't going to patch up that financial hole, they have been abandoned by our esteemed leaders.

To be fair rates have been deferred since the start.

Probably be deferred again for the summer because a lot of places will only have partial trade.

PTH2009 · 29-04-2021 07:17PM

Places should be allowed create space but not sure how it will work. Pedestrianised streets for weekends

hynesie08 · 29-04-2021 07:22PM

City councils could really help out here, ban deliveries between 12-8 and let cafes and resteraunts use the loading zones for tables and chairs, same with parking spaces. In Dublin Capel, Merrion and south William St should all be pedestrianised.

saabsaab · 29-04-2021 07:22PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Places should be allowed create space but not sure how it will work. Pedestrianised streets for weekends

Good idea.

29-04-2021 07:29PM

saabsaab wrote: »

To be fair to the Government they can't save everyone's business. Many were going anyway and the need for the 'beer garden' and other facilities in pubs has been clear for some time.

How fortunate we are you're not in charge. You can afford to be so blase about it, because they most certainly don't have that luxury.

PTH2009 · 29-04-2021 07:39PM

A cheeky mid week hotel stay is the best bet as i think weekends will be insane as will the prices

saabsaab · 29-04-2021 07:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

How fortunate we are you're not in charge. You can afford to be so blase about it, because they most certainly don't have that luxury.

Just stating the facts, this has been happening for a long time now as people's tastes change and many pubs don't. Adapt or die.

Coillte_Bhoy · 29-04-2021 07:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And this is the key question. The answer to be blunt is no. In the rush for people to fall over themselves praising MM, the government have completely sidestepped this issue. There are some nebulous rumours about July, this will inevitably get pushed back to August and beyond. I know three publicans in my home town who cannot reopen for months because they don't have outdoor beer gardens, two of them are on the verge of going under with rates putting them in considerable debt. Some mickey mouse stipend from the government isn't going to patch up that financial hole, they have been abandoned by our esteemed leaders.

Whats the exacts tory with their rates? I thought they have been mostly deferred?

Coillte_Bhoy · 29-04-2021 07:56PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Places should be allowed create space but not sure how it will work. Pedestrianised streets for weekends

Agreed and talking about this recently re two local pubs (my 2 locals as it turns out) who have no outdoor space worth talking about but both large gardens behind their premises but are separated by a public road so it seems for licensing and insurance reasons they cannot use these.

Now when i say road, i mean a back lane behind the street, with little or no traffic. I had always though some sort of special temporary license might have been brought in to allow these pubs to use these spaces for beer gardens but seemingly not.

PTH2009 · 29-04-2021 08:00PM

No reason why Toilet facilities cant open in places, just need barriers up blocking seats/tables

Going by a quick gander on FB/Twitter a lot of independent restaurants are not happy about the Hotel decision

Tenzor07 · 29-04-2021 08:36PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

City councils could really help out here, ban deliveries between 12-8 and let cafes and resteraunts use the loading zones for tables and chairs, same with parking spaces. In Dublin Capel, Merrion and south William St should all be pedestrianised.

That will definetely happen easily so it will....:rolleyes:

]The plan to pedestrianise Merrion Row in Dublin City Centre this summer is “hare-brained” and “not going to happen,” according to councillor Mannix Flynn.

The Sunday Times reports that the council has agreed to pedestrianise Merrion Row, Mary Street and part of Capel Street in a bid to entice people back into town as restrictions are eased.

“We have hundreds of requests from people in Dublin to close off streets and do all sorts of hare-brained ideas but it is not going to happen, I can guarantee you that because it is a main artery,” he said.

Tenzor07 · 29-04-2021 08:39PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

No reason why Toilet facilities cant open in places, just need barriers up blocking seats/tables

PortaPotties squashed in outside on the footpath beside enough tables and chairs for a business to make enough money to pay the bills....

hynesie08 · 29-04-2021 08:47PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

That will definetely happen easily so it will....:rolleyes:

If mannix flynn is against it, its almost certainly the right decision.

PommieBast · 29-04-2021 09:20PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

To be fair rates have been deferred since the start.

Probably be deferred again for the summer because a lot of places will only have partial trade.

Deferral is not enough. Many businesses are now at the stage where debts are so high that any repayment plan acceptable to creditors would be too much.

castletownman · 29-04-2021 10:20PM

What's the criteria regarding marquees?

The pub with the most renowned beer garden in Gorey has had a marquee installed in its car-park for almost a year now. Good size to it, and with retractable yawnings in the main beer garden section, definitely scope to fit a good chunk of people in on a wet day alone.

Another two places have outdoor smoking areas with picnic benches and decking, again with overhead cover. And a smaller pub (closest one to me) has a yard that they have never really utilised fully as an outdoor drinking option.

Have already booked a day or two off work

Itssoeasy · 29-04-2021 10:25PM

I thought I saw a tweet from gavan Reilly about Catherine Martin saying there’d be no limit on pubs but was outdoors or indoors ? I assume outdoors but I can’t find the tweet now. Any clarification on that ?

Ray Donovan · 29-04-2021 10:27PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I thought I saw a tweet from gavan Reilly about Catherine Martin saying there’d be no limit on pubs but was outdoors or indoors ? I assume outdoors but I can’t find the tweet now. Any clarification on that ?

No idea on upper limits buts it 6 max to a group. Table Service only.

hynesie08 · 29-04-2021 10:28PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I thought I saw a tweet from gavan Reilly about Catherine Martin saying there’d be no limit on pubs but was outdoors or indoors ? I assume outdoors but I can’t find the tweet now. Any clarification on that ?

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1387831934034796546?s=20

Itssoeasy · 29-04-2021 10:29PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

No idea on upper limits buts it 6 max to a group. Table Service only.

Yeah but that’s outdoors isn’t it ? I mean yes the places can open but **** it not every place has that luxury.

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