Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

zebastein · 29-04-2021 11:02AM

Did anybody read something about swimming pools ?
I have seen gyms on the 7th June, but at some point last year swimming pools were considered less dangerous (usage of chlorine).

SAMTALK · 29-04-2021 11:02AM

Potatoeman wrote: »

Sure, but it will be back to back appointments. If the hairdresser gets infected by one person and is the spreader then they will infect more as they have a backlog of people to get through. Also after a couple of months on the COVID payment they may even keep working if sick to make up for loss of earnings. They never should have been shut for so long. It’s just going to lead to a jump upon reopening.

That can be said of anything opening surely ?

If they opened a month ago it would have been the same, but we have to hope that with vaccines and continued precautions things will get back to some normality.

robbiezero · 29-04-2021 11:02AM

Graham wrote: »

Make a change, wait to see the impact, make a change, wait to see the impact, make a change, wait to see the impact.

You see how that might work?

Should have been doing it from 6 weeks ago, but I guess better late than later.

W123-80's · 29-04-2021 11:02AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The poster who put up the "we're supposed to be grateful for rotten apple cores tossed at us prison inmates" analogy deserves a medal. Donnelly had the audacity to boast about "a few nice things" being done for the public last night. Shows you how insulated the Government are from reality, a six-figure cushion affords that. Game of pure arrogance and manipulation, as you rightly point out Martin & Varadkar haven't strayed from the party line regarding "abundance of caution" next winter. If Éamon Ryan can casually admit that government policy is dictated by the whims of NPHET, what is stopping them from hiding behind Tony, Glynn et al for remainder of 2021. They need an almighty clatter to the rear, a general election would sharply remind them whose interests they were elected to serve. We've been dangled long enough, pushing out indoor hospitality until July at earliest is the definition of cowardice.

Na, its not cowardice to hold off on indoor dining. Its simply common sense.
You can't have an indoor pint in England for another 2 weeks (May 15th).
They are ahead of us in their vaccine rollout.

Like I have said on this thread before, assuming it all works well for them in terms of efficacy, hospitalisations and variants it is good news for us and we won't be far behind them.

Todays news certainly suggests things are looking good. We are not far behind the UK with a July date for an indoor pint.

I am delighted with todays news. It's been a tough few months.
We are getting there.

ypres5 · 29-04-2021 11:02AM

Graham wrote: »

That recently published the number of passports issued over the last few months?

Only in exceptional circumstances, someone quoted the DFA in the post I was responding to so please keep up Graham

M_Murphy57 · 29-04-2021 11:02AM

average_runner wrote: »

Vaccine drive is getting quicker, also people are out now anyhow, so they might as well get on with it

Also we are completely and utterly broke, have spent our 2021 covid budget already , have been told theres no more cash to pay pup and "troika style" budget cuts will be needed to get us out of this hole.

No more money to pay the Pup or give Grant's to businesses to stay closed = rapid change in reopening timetable.

RebelButtMunch · 29-04-2021 11:03AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

btw to all the people **** over India, India has 244x the population of Ireland, India had 3,500 deaths yesterday, Ireland had 12 .... quite similar in proportion, the media are hyping it as they are using absolute numbers.

Because India are definitely not underreporting...

Potatoeman · 29-04-2021 11:04AM

Boggles wrote: »

So we should keep them closed?

They should have been opened after a month or two. They were closed for two long. Same as shops, they closed them for too long so when they reopen they will be busier than ever. This isn’t even considering the amount of businesses that won’t be able to reopen at all and the loss of tax revenue from these.

Boggles · 29-04-2021 11:05AM

ypres5 wrote: »

Boggles knows better than the department of foreign affairs

I most certainly don't, But I imagine the head of that Department does.

Mr Coveney told RTÉ radio’s Morning Ireland that 430,000 passports had been processed during the pandemic and that as Minister he had responsibility for people working within the Department of Foreign Affairs.

Because of health and safety recommendations on maintaining distance only a third of staff had been able to work “on the floor” processing passport applications, he explained.

While there was a backlog of 90,000 applications when the Passport Office was “fully up and running” they could process 120,000 applications in a week.

He said: "I expect that we can clear the backlog within weeks.

That was in response to a poster saying they had stopped compeltely.

Again, you'll need to take it up with Simon or produce your own figures to refute his.

ypres5 wrote: »

Only in exceptional circumstances, someone quoted the DFA in the post I was responding to so please keep up Graham

Indeed.

Maybe if you stopped insulting everyone in literally everyone of your posts and paid closer attention to what is been posted you may learn something.

Who knows.

Graham · 29-04-2021 11:06AM

ypres5 wrote: »

Only in exceptional circumstances, someone quoted the DFA in the post I was responding to so please keep up Graham

Some amount of exceptions for a department you're insisting was closed but obviously facts are of limited relevance to whatever point it is you're trying to prove/disprove.

M_Murphy57 · 29-04-2021 11:07AM

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Because India are definitely not underreporting...

People of colour also have a higher chance of dying from covid statistically speaking. I'd be amazed if (accurate) figures showed our death rates were the same, sadly.

Boggles · 29-04-2021 11:07AM

Potatoeman wrote: »

They should have been opened after a month or two. They were closed for two long. Same as shops, they closed them for too long so when they reopen they will be busier than ever. This isn’t even considering the amount of businesses that won’t be able to reopen at all and the loss of tax revenue from these.

Yeah, I know all that is your opinion. We can't change the past.

Your claim is they is going to be a wave of infection from opening them now, so the only prudent thing to do would be keep them closed.

I'm just following your logic here.

Graham · 29-04-2021 11:08AM

Boggles wrote: »

Maybe if you stopped insulting everyone in literally everyone of your posts and paid closer attention to what is been posted you may learn something.

I think some are finding it hard to accept that restrictions are being eased, the visions of their dystopian fantasy that have been cobbled together over months are disintegrating before us.

hynesie08 · 29-04-2021 11:09AM

I applied online and received my passport in 4 days, so did a lot of people on the threads in AH and travel, so yeah, definitely processing them.

ypres5 · 29-04-2021 11:10AM

Boggles wrote: »

I most certainly don't, But I imagine the head of that Department does.

That was in response to a poster saying they had stopped compeltely.

Again, you'll need to take it up with Simon or produce your own figures to refute his.

Indeed.

Maybe if you stopped insulting everyone in literally everyone of your posts and paid closer attention to what is been posted you may learn something.

Who knows.

You criticizing someone else for being insulting is hilarious boggles. Passport applications have been closed bar exceptional circumstances for months the DFA themselves have said so and people who sent in passports as part of their child's application were awaiting the return of theirs. This lazy effort to rewrite past events by you and graham is ridiculous

Potatoeman · 29-04-2021 11:11AM

Boggles wrote: »

Yeah, I know all that is your opinion. We can't change the past.

Your claim is they is going to be a wave of infection from opening them now, so the only prudent thing to do would be keep them closed.

I'm just following your logic here.

No, reopen then close after the next spike and open again after a month. We’ve been at 400-600 for two months. They need to be practical.

Boggles · 29-04-2021 11:12AM

ypres5 wrote: »

You criticizing someone else for being insulting is hilarious boggles. Passport applications have been closed bar exceptional circumstances for months the DFA themselves have said so and people who sent in passports as part of their child's application were awaiting the return of theirs. This lazy effort to rewrite past events by you and graham is ridiculous

hynesie08 wrote: »

I applied online and received my passport in 4 days, so did a lot of people on the threads in AH and travel, so yeah, definitely processing them.

Backs up the Ministers numbers to be fair.

And yours when you are ready?

ypres5 · 29-04-2021 11:12AM

Graham wrote: »

Some amount of exceptions for a department you're insisting was closed but obviously facts are of limited relevance to whatever point it is you're trying to prove/disprove.

If you're privy to information that the DFA aren't aware of then I suggest you pass it onto them Graham

https://www.dfa.ie/passports/contact/#:~:text=The Passport Service has paused,we return to Level 4.

hynesie08 · 29-04-2021 11:12AM

ypres5 wrote: »

You criticizing someone else for being insulting is hilarious boggles. Passport applications have been closed bar exceptional circumstances for months the DFA themselves have said so and people who sent in passports as part of their child's application were awaiting the return of theirs. This lazy effort to rewrite past events by you and graham is ridiculous

Except they haven't.

ypres5 · 29-04-2021 11:13AM

Boggles wrote: »

Backs up the Ministers numbers to be fair.

And yours when you are ready?

Quite ready,

https://www.dfa.ie/passports/contact/#:~:text=The%20Passport%20Service%20has%20paused,we%20return%20to%20Level%204.

Boggles · 29-04-2021 11:13AM

Potatoeman wrote: »

No, reopen then close after the next spike and open again after a month. We’ve been at 400-600 for two months. They need to be practical.

So you think we should close in a month and reopen in another month?

"Not a popular one Joe"

ypres5 · 29-04-2021 11:14AM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Except they haven't.

I've linked their site twice already, I value the DFA's own statement above your random anecdote

https://www.dfa.ie/passports/contact/#:~:text=The%20Passport%20Service%20has%20paused,we%20return%20to%20Level%204.

Boggles · 29-04-2021 11:15AM

ypres5 wrote: »

Quite ready,

https://www.dfa.ie/passports/contact/#:~:text=The%20Passport%20Service%20has%20paused,we%20return%20to%20Level%204.

I don't see any numbers.

How were 430,000 passports issued if they were closed?

Is Simon peddling falsehoods?

What are your numbers?

Stark · 29-04-2021 11:16AM

zebastein wrote: »

Did anybody read something about swimming pools ?
I have seen gyms on the 7th June, but at some point last year swimming pools were considered less dangerous (usage of chlorine).

Same as gyms. The pool itself is fine, it's the changing rooms and the like that are the issue. The chlorine stuff as well sounds like it was from when everyone thought you got covid from touching stuff, as opposed to breathing it in.

km79 · 29-04-2021 11:18AM

Are libraries reopening in some form on May 10th?
It’s one of the most ridiculous aspects of the restrictions for me that they couldn’t continue click and collect throughout.
It’s the youngest lads main hobby .

gozunda · 29-04-2021 11:18AM

paw patrol wrote: »

this x1000 percent. esp if that man is Luke O'Neill who tells you masks don't work . Then a few months later will tell you they do work cos the science is "overwhelming" (his words) - decades of science overturned in an "overwhelming" manner in a few months. seem legit to me :rolleyes: but who am anybody to question the professor?

I see the problem. You were dependent on "the man on the telly" to determine what to believe and when to believe it. You know "the man" you're telling everyone else they were listening to.

You also seem to think science is immutable

There was a very big thread in this forum from the start of pandemic - where endless posters pointed out that the WHO stance on masks simply didn't stand up to all the scientific evidence.

And yes the World Health Organization subsequently went from not recommending masks for everyone to recommending them. I presume Luke and others was following that dictate.

I believe the weight of existing scientific evidence plus new studies pushed this to happen.

Apparently whether believable or otherwise the subtext was that the available mask supply at the time was needed for HCWs.

We know masks work, we know there's different grades of masks. People can work this out for themselves and many did without listening to "the man on the telly"

ypres5 · 29-04-2021 11:19AM

Boggles wrote: »

I don't see any numbers.

How were 430,000 passports issued if they were closed?

Is Simon peddling falsehoods?

What are your numbers?

I never mentioned numbers are you suggesting the DFA and citizens advice websites are peddling lies? It's a fact that passport apps have been suspended bar emergency applications. If you took the time to read the page and what I'm attaching now you might find it easier to understand.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/passports/irish_passports_an_overview.html#:~:text=when%20this%20happens.-,Passport%20applications%20and%20COVID-19,on%20the%20Passport%20Service's%20website.

Graham · 29-04-2021 11:20AM

ypres5 wrote: »

If you're privy to information that the DFA aren't aware of then I suggest you pass it onto them Graham

While walking on the beach it is not mandatory to bury ones head.

hynesie08 · 29-04-2021 11:21AM

ypres5 wrote: »

I've linked their site twice already, I value the DFA's own statement above your random anecdote

https://www.dfa.ie/passports/contact/#:~:text=The%20Passport%20Service%20has%20paused,we%20return%20to%20Level%204.

Fair enough, here you go.

Sobit1964 · 29-04-2021 11:21AM

ypres5 wrote: »

I've linked their site twice already, I value the DFA's own statement above your random anecdote

https://www.dfa.ie/passports/contact/#:~:text=The%20Passport%20Service%20has%20paused,we%20return%20to%20Level%204.

To be fair - if there hadn't been a quicker relaxation of rules and it had of went something like this:

Lockdown at level 5 till 2033, masks to be worn while sleeping, a one child policy, forced vaxes at gun point, all tea without milk prohibited, an invasion of Derry, children to wear plastic bags on their heads... etc etc

These two would still be saying that its following the science, and we should trust the professionals, its very basic, its remedial stuff, i'm not sure why this is so hard, its not rocket science, its quite expected, its normal, sensible.

This thread just went to level 10 comical, with of course very good news attached.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings