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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #9122
    copeyhagen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    Deleted User wrote: »
    As I and many others predicted, they have done it as they observed the improving epidemiological situation and the rapidly increasing vaccine rollout.

    They have in fact moved faster that I thought they would, even if I think they could still go a little faster

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116369264&postcount=843

    nothing to do wth fanances?

    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjMl8zK86LwAhVEsXEKHQYNDrQQxfQBCDMwAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishexaminer.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Farid-40274552.html&usg=AOvVaw1JcwjRHe15cgAb6hGyoeXy


  • #9123
    TomSweeney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    11521323 wrote: »
    Because something something India, look at what happened at Christmas, etc.

    The only rationale for doing so is out of fear of the worst-case scenario which isn't how a government is supposed to operate but here we are.

    The public largely support this carry on which is why they feel comfortable doing it.


    Is this the first time in history we are basing policy and rules on "what if" scenarios ?


  • #9124
    paw patrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    Boggles wrote: »
    I literally don't know anyone that would not jump at the chance of going back to the office tomorrow.

    The craic fell out of that one around May last year.

    This may surprise you given my views - I'm pushing to work form home full time with occasional visits to the office. If I never see the inside of a bus at rush hour again I'll be happy
    Work from home been one of the few positives - but that said I'll gladly sacrifice it to get out of this mess of restrictions on living a free life.


  • #9125
    Fitz*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Beanybabog wrote: »
    Is the any mention in the leaks of the levels? The passport office won’t process new applications until we’re out of level 5. All they’ve done so far is amend level 5 not move down the levels

    I received my new one last week. I had applied in January. They never sent the passport card though, which I had paid for, and there's nowhere online to check the status of that.

    Ridiculous that that service stopped because of level 5.


  • #9126
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Uncle_moe wrote: »
    Coveney said on Newstalk this morning that the passport office would be fully staffed again next week to clear the backlog. Farcical it ever stopped in the first place.

    It didn't.
    Mr Coveney told RTÉ radio’s Morning Ireland that 430,000 passports had been processed during the pandemic and that as Minister he had responsibility for people working within the Department of Foreign Affairs.

    Because of health and safety recommendations on maintaining distance only a third of staff had been able to work “on the floor” processing passport applications, he explained.

    While there was a backlog of 90,000 applications when the Passport Office was “fully up and running” they could process 120,000 applications in a week.

    He said: "I expect that we can clear the backlog within weeks.


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  • #9127
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    ArthurDayne wrote: »
    Mother of God.

    Honestly, in a strange self-flagellating kind of way I admire how some people on here can just freely wander from one rationale to another without any apparent appreciation of the irony or contradiction. My friend, a matter of minutes ago, you called my post "tosh" for saying that lockdown was not based on just minimising infection but on minimising it to the extent hospitals could cope. Now, here you are, talking about cases being "manageable" rather than simply just being minimised.

    If the strategy was about minimising Covid and saving as many lives as possible then we would not be reopening anything at all right now. Do you really not see the utter contradiction here between what you are saying now and what you were saying ..well...less than an hour ago?!

    It's no wonder you called my post "tosh" if your opinions seem to change every ten minutes.

    You have to change your mind in line with what the man on the telly tells you.


  • #9128
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,222 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Boggles wrote: »
    Hmmmmm.

    Kaiser actually said "as I predicted" a few mins ago :pac:


    Thankfully like most of the conspiracy predictions around Tony it was trash


  • #9129
    Fandymo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Fitz* wrote: »
    I received my new one last week. I had applied in January. They never sent the passport card though, which I had paid for, and there's nowhere online to check the status of that.

    Ridiculous that that service stopped because of level 5.

    When I track mine, it says Passport will be with you 6th May, Passport card will follow a few days later. SO i'd say it's on its way to you.


  • #9130
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    ArthurDayne wrote: »
    It's no wonder you called my post "tosh" if your opinions seem to change every ten minutes.

    My opinion has been pretty consistent throughout this thread.

    Restrictions are appropriate until case numbers are down, hospitalisations are down and increasing numbers have been vaccinated.

    Any other interpretation is entirely your own.


  • #9131
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    And until 12 hours ago that was the approach.

    Hence why I've said this a significant and indeed unexpected policy shift. No contradiction there.

    I'm touched you care enough to go back through my previous posts though xx

    I wonder have the been any highly publicised meetings in the past 24 hours which have resulted in change of message?

    The desperation on view is in the attempt to cling on to the view that the government/nphet dont want to open and are only doing so because <insert baseless supposition here>, when it has always been flagged that as the epidemiological, hospital and vaccine situation improved, what is happening is what would happen.


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  • #9132
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    You have to change your mind in line with what the man on the telly tells you.

    It's obviously going to come as a shock that not everyone has to be told what their opinions are.


  • #9133
    Fandymo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Boggles wrote: »
    It didn't.

    Maybe tell the Department of Foreign Affairs.

    https://www.dfa.ie/passports/

    The Passport Service has paused operations in line with the move to Level 5 of the Government's National Framework on Living with COVID-19 from 24 December 2020.


  • #9134
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    copeyhagen wrote: »
    nothing to do wth fanances?

    More likely to be improving cause numbers, hospitalisations and numbers vaccinated I'd think. Which was the plan.


  • #9135
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    copeyhagen wrote: »
    nothing to do wth fanances?

    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjMl8zK86LwAhVEsXEKHQYNDrQQxfQBCDMwAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishexaminer.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Farid-40274552.html&usg=AOvVaw1JcwjRHe15cgAb6hGyoeXy

    That article was almost entirely about cuts in covid spending. Are you saying that covid related expenditure is not something that should be pared back as restrictions ease?


  • #9136
    TomSweeney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    btw to all the people **** over India, India has 244x the population of Ireland, India had 3,500 deaths yesterday, Ireland had 12 .... quite similar in proportion, the media are hyping it as they are using absolute numbers.


  • #9137
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Fandymo wrote: »
    Maybe tell the Department of Foreign Affairs.

    I just quoted The Minister for Foreign Affairs, if you have numbers that refute his, by all means, link them up.


  • #9138
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    TomSweeney wrote: »
    btw to all the people **** over India, India has 244x the population of Ireland, India had 3,500 deaths yesterday, Ireland had 12 .... quite similar in proportion, the media are hyping it as they are using absolute numbers.

    You could oxygen in Ireland yesterday.


  • #9139
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,021 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Lads it was Martin and Varadkar who spoke about rolling lockdowns into 2022 - and they haven't walked that back.

    Be careful mocking now because if we're back in lockdown in October you're the ones going to be shilling it, going on about an outbreak in the Sahara or variant D1227 or some other nonsense.


  • #9140
    Beanybabog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭Beanybabog


    Fandymo wrote: »
    When I track mine, it says Passport will be with you 6th May, Passport card will follow a few days later. SO i'd say it's on its way to you.

    I have an issue date but I read somewhere on boards this is automatic so issue dates have come and gone without passports arriving. Mine is a new application for a baby which have all been on pause due to the supporting documents. Be interested to see if yours arrives on time!! Mine is shortly after


  • #9141
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,338 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Ah come on lads... the desperation here to save face this morning with the "this was the plan all along" stuff just isn't reality.

    Only a few days ago the message coming from official sources was a much slower relaxation over June/July and even at that still talk about outdoor only.

    This is a signficant policy shift - likely driven by economic factors IMO. It's long overdue and certainly welcome, but let's leave the spin to the likes of Leo shall we?

    In fairness I do think vaccine availability and what they see from vaccinations that were administered so far plays a big role. I feel like they must have got a big delivery and more to come. I even got a shot on Monday myself as my GP had plenty of overs from current batch and I was called in with what looked like dozens of others if not more. I'm only just over 50. I was told there is a free bus now running every 15 minutes from my town to the nearest vacc center. It really is happening it seems.


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  • #9142
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 338 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The emergency legislation is to expire on 9 June but if it is extended after the vote where would this leave things in terms of easing of restrictions.


  • #9143
    paw patrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    You have to change your mind in line with what the man on the telly tells you.

    this x1000 percent.

    esp if that man is Luke O'Neill who tells you masks don't work . Then a few months later will tell you they do work cos the science is "overwhelming" (his words) - decades of science overturned in an "overwhelming" manner in a few months.
    seem legit to me :rolleyes: but who am anybody to question the professor?


  • #9144
    Beanybabog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭Beanybabog


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    In fairness I do think vaccine availability and what they see from vaccinations that were administered so far plays a big role. I feel like they must have got a big delivery and more to come. I even got a shot on Monday myself as my GP had plenty of overs from current batch and I was called in with what looked like dozens of others if not more. I'm only just over 50. I was told there is a free bus now running every 15 minutes from my town to the nearest vacc center. It really is happening it seems.

    Are you in a cohort above the age group do you mind me asking? I was at the GP for my baby’s vaccines (not covid!) and I asked the nurse how it was going and they’re still working on their over 70s which sound depressingly slow. Heard the receptionists talking about cancelling appointments as no vaccines


  • #9145
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    gansi wrote: »
    The emergency legislation is to expire on 9 June but if it is extended after the vote where would this leave things in terms of easing of restrictions.

    I'd imagine in exactly the same position.


  • #9146
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Beanybabog wrote: »
    Are you in a cohort above the age group do you mind me asking? I was at the GP for my baby’s vaccines (not covid!) and I asked the nurse how it was going and they’re still working on their over 70s which sound depressingly slow. Heard the receptionists talking about cancelling appointments as no vaccines

    Something like 190,000 vaccines arrived in the country yesterday.

    The plan remains to vaccinate up-to 450,000 per week over the next month or two.


  • #9147
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    growleaves wrote: »
    Lads it was Martin and Varadkar who spoke about rolling lockdowns into 2022 - and they haven't walked that back.

    Be careful mocking now because if we're back in lockdown in October you're the ones going to be shilling it, going on about an outbreak in the Sahara or variant D1227 or some other nonsense.

    Best way to combat that scenario is to get yourself vaccinated when it is your turn.

    As for doom mongering about "D1227", best way to combat that is sensible and effective infection control measures at our ports of entry.

    UK and EU need to be on same page for this.


  • #9148
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    growleaves wrote: »
    Lads it was Martin and Varadkar who spoke about rolling lockdowns into 2022 - and they haven't walked that back.

    Be careful mocking now because if we're back in lockdown in October you're the ones going to be shilling it, going on about an outbreak in the Sahara or variant D1227 or some other nonsense.

    Expressing opinions is not "shilling"

    No one knew enough about how successful vaccines would be or how much supply we would actually get early in the year to give any guarantees. We now have in place deals for enough vaccines to get everyone who wants it done this summer and to have boosters if they are required long term due any potential variants long term


  • #9149
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,427 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    growleaves wrote: »
    Lads it was Martin and Varadkar who spoke about rolling lockdowns into 2022 - and they haven't walked that back.
    Be careful mocking now because if we're back in lockdown in October you're the ones going to be shilling it, going on about an outbreak in the Sahara or variant D1227 or some other nonsense.

    You're right there, many of the "Leaks" and messages coming from this Govt. are pretty similar to last year when cases and deaths disappeared over the summer months....
    Once the new viruses... I mean... Variants come out, it will be back into lockdown again for the winter...


  • #9150
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    TomSweeney wrote: »
    btw to all the people **** over India, India has 244x the population of Ireland, India had 3,500 deaths yesterday, Ireland had 12 .... quite similar in proportion, the media are hyping it as they are using absolute numbers.

    Mod

    Dont post in this thread again.


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  • #9151
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    You're right there, many of the "Leaks" and messages coming from this Govt. are pretty similar to last year when cases and deaths disappeared over the summer months....
    Once the new viruses... I mean... Variants come out, it will be back into lockdown again for the winter...

    Jesus on the back of rather positive news people are determined to paint misery conjuring hypotheticals.

    It must be exhausting.


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