French generals cause backlash with 'civil war' warning

28-04-2021 8:37pm #1

The French government has threatened to punish active soldiers who signed an open letter by 25 retired generals warning President Emmanuel Macron the country is headed for "civil war".

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210427-french-generals-cause-backlash-with-civil-war-warning

Silentcorner · 28-04-2021 8:39pm

The EU is in for an interesting ten years....

Beechwoodspark · 28-04-2021 8:39pm

France is in a huge mess

It’s sad that people who “call it out” are criticised

28-04-2021 8:45pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

France is in a huge mess

It’s sad that people who “call it out” are criticised

This is democracy as they call and freedom of speech.What is difference against North Korea then ? They did not get death sentence ?

Overheal · 28-04-2021 8:45pm

Translated digitally:

Mr President,
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Government,
Ladies and Gentlemen, Members of Parliament,

The hour is serious, France is in danger, several mortal dangers threaten it. We who, even in retirement, remain soldiers of France, cannot, in the current circumstances, remain indifferent to the fate of our beautiful country.

Our tricolor flags are not just a piece of cloth, they symbolize the tradition, through the ages, of those who, whatever their skin color or their faith, served France and gave their lives for it. On these flags, we find in gold letters the words “Honor and Fatherland”. However, our honor today lies in the denunciation of the disintegration which strikes our country.

- Discrimination which, through a certain anti-racism, is displayed with a single goal: to create on our soil a malaise, even hatred between the communities. Today some speak of racialism, indigenism and decolonial theories, but through these terms it is racial war that these hateful and fanatic supporters want. They despise our country, its traditions, its culture, and want to see it dissolve by taking away its past and its history. Thus they attack, through statues, ancient military and civilian glories by analyzing words that are centuries old.

- Discrimination which, with Islamism and the suburban hordes, leads to the detachment of multiple plots of the nation to transform them into territories subject to dogmas contrary to our constitution. However, each French, whatever his belief or his non-belief, is everywhere at home in France; there cannot and must not exist any city, any district where the laws of the Republic do not apply.

- Discrimination, because hatred takes precedence over brotherhood during demonstrations where the power uses the police as auxiliary agents and scapegoats in the face of French people in yellow vests expressing their despair. This while infiltrated and hooded individuals ransack businesses and threaten these same police forces. However, the latter only apply the directives, sometimes contradictory, given by you, the rulers.

Perils are mounting, violence is increasing day by day. Who would have predicted ten years ago that a professor would one day be beheaded when he left college? However, we, servants of the Nation, who have always been ready to put our skin at the end of our engagement - as our military state demanded, cannot be passive spectators before such actions.

Also, those who lead our country must imperatively find the courage necessary to eradicate these dangers. To do this, it is often sufficient to apply existing laws without weakness. Do not forget that, like us, a large majority of our fellow citizens are overwhelmed by your dabbling and guilty silences.

As Cardinal Mercier, Primate of Belgium, said: “When prudence is everywhere, courage is nowhere. " So, ladies and gentlemen, enough stalling, the situation is serious, work is enormous; do not waste time and know that we are ready to support policies which will take into consideration the safeguard of the nation.

On the other hand, if nothing is done, laxity will continue to spread inexorably in society, ultimately causing an explosion and the intervention of our active comrades in a perilous mission of protecting our civilizational values and safeguarding our compatriots on the national territory.

As we can see, it is no longer time to procrastinate, otherwise, tomorrow the civil war will put an end to this growing chaos, and the deaths, for which you will bear the responsibility, will number in the thousands.

The signatory generals:

General de Corps d'Armée (ER) Christian PIQUEMAL (Foreign Legion), General de Corps d'Armée (2S) Gilles BARRIE (Infantry), General of Division (2S) François GAUBERT former Military Governor of Lille, General of Division ( 2S) Emmanuel de RICHOUFFTZ (Infantry), General of Division (2S) Michel JOSLIN DE NORAY (Marine Troops), General of Brigade (2S) André COUSTOU (Infantry), General of Brigade (2S) Philippe DESROUSSEAUX of MEDRANO ( Train), Air Brigade General (2S) Antoine MARTINEZ (Air Force), Air Brigade General (2S) Daniel GROSMAIRE (Air Force), Brigade General (2S) Robert JEANNEROD (Cavalry), g eneral Brigade (2S) Pierre Dominique AIGUEPERSE (infantry) general Brigade (2S) Roland DUBOIS (Transmissions), gBrigadier General (2S) Dominique DELAWARDE (Infantry), Brigadier General (2S) Jean Claude GROLIER (Artillery), Brigadier General (2S) Norbert de CACQUERAY (Directorate General of Armament), Brigadier General (2S) Roger PRIGENT (ALAT), Brigadier General (2S) Alfred LEBRETON (CAT), General Doctor (2S) Guy DURAND (Army Health Service), Rear Admiral (2S) Gérard BALASTRE (French Navy).

Beechwoodspark · 28-04-2021 8:48pm

Hard to disagree with that statement

28-04-2021 8:51pm

Irish media keep silence

corner of hells · 28-04-2021 9:06pm

Did the French not offer to surrender three weeks ago after the 21 gun salute when Prince Philip died ?

Stihl waters · 28-04-2021 9:12pm

The product of weak leadership, that's what happens when you have a leader with mammy issues, he needs to go and be replaced by someone a little further right of field to even things up a bit

28-04-2021 9:14pm

Letter sent to President of France
If president will not change anything then army will change president.
Basically Coup d'état happened already

listermint · 28-04-2021 9:18pm

Reads like the who's who of nonsense. Yellow vests.... Christ this is Facebook level crap that drove brexit.

There's something at play here alright and it's disinformation spread via social platforms and nefarious 'news' sources.

Joe rogan heroism the dim man's Messiah

Silentcorner · 28-04-2021 9:21pm

listermint wrote: »

Reads like the who's who of nonsense. Yellow vests.... Christ this is Facebook level crap that drove brexit.

There's something at play here alright and it's disinformation spread via social platforms and nefarious 'news' sources.

Joe rogan heroism the dim man's Messiah

Wrong-think perhaps?

grassylawn · 28-04-2021 9:27pm

Letter encourages president to enforce the law without weakness. The active soldiers who signed the letter are breaking the law by not remaining politically neutral.

28-04-2021 9:29pm

grassylawn wrote: »

Letter encourages president to enforce the law without weakness. The active soldiers who signed the letter are breaking the law by not remaining politically neutral.

Same as President of France is not ? When President of France give more power to emigrants it is mean he is not President of France anymore.

Beechwoodspark · 28-04-2021 9:29pm

grassylawn wrote: »

Letter encourages president to enforce the law without weakness. The active soldiers who signed the letter are breaking the law by not remaining politically neutral.

They are still neutral

Guy:Incognito · 28-04-2021 9:30pm

Cal Croydon wrote: »

Can't argue with the fact a teacher was beheaded though. Not exactly an everyday occurrence in most countries.

Its not an everyday occurrence in France either. its a one off event you are able to point to straight away.

Its a strange intersecting point on the venn diagram of people that try wave away the amount of people killed by police in america because its so big and there are so many police, while maximimise the amount of incidents commited by a particular religion in another country.

28-04-2021 9:31pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

They are still neutral

At the moment

francois · 28-04-2021 9:35pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Letter sent to President of France
If president will not change anything then army will change president.
Basically Coup d'état happened already

Nonsense

grassylawn · 28-04-2021 9:35pm

Why is it hard to integrate people from less pleasant backgrounds into a lovely country with enormous culture? People are weird.

listermint · 28-04-2021 9:35pm

Cal Croydon wrote: »

Can't argue with the fact a teacher was beheaded though. Not exactly an everyday occurrence in most countries.

What does that have to do with the French President.

Often people who are drawn in by this stuff draw lines that don't exist. Because they wish for it to be true.

grassylawn · 28-04-2021 9:37pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

They are still neutral

The letter is taking a political stance. It was signed by active soldiers, not just retired generals. They are breaking the law the letter goes on about enforcing.

The thing that strikes me the most is the awful flowery roundabout style of the letter. Painful to read it.

28-04-2021 9:39pm

francois wrote: »

Nonsense

In African countries its call Coup d'état
In Europe its call "friendly conversation drinking coffe " talking about future of the country eating strawberies and cake.
The army sent clear signal to President of the country !

Stihl waters · 28-04-2021 9:39pm

What's the mood of the French people, would the army have any support if the rolled up to the palace and asked Macron to pack the bag and started routing out extremist elements around the country

Dyr · 28-04-2021 9:40pm

Whats France now? 5-10 per cent Muslim? Looks like they're on schedule

Of course, we're doing our best to catch up, as per usual.

odyssey06 · 28-04-2021 9:41pm

grassylawn wrote: »

The letter is taking a political stance. It was signed by active soldiers, not just retired generals. They are breaking the law the letter goes on about enforcing.

The thing that strikes me the most is the awful flowery roundabout style of the letter. Painful to read it.

Possibly it is still politically neutral to ask for the current laws of the Republic to be enforced.
They are not backing candidate x or y or asking for a change in policy.

Beechwoodspark · 28-04-2021 9:45pm

grassylawn wrote: »

The letter is taking a political stance. It was signed by active soldiers, not just retired generals. They are breaking the law the letter goes on about enforcing.

The thing that strikes me the most is the awful flowery roundabout style of the letter. Painful to read it.

Wouldn’t go so far as to say it’s taking a stance. It’s simply pointing out the risks to the French republic

28-04-2021 9:47pm

Stihl waters wrote: »

What's the mood of the French people, would the army have any support if the rolled up to the palace and asked Macron to pack the bag and started routing out extremist elements around the country

The best things in world what people of France do is strikes and revolutions.
Who said germans will not be next ?
Or people of Sweden ?
Denmark sending refugees home already

Overheal · 28-04-2021 9:49pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

Possibly it is still politically neutral to ask for the current laws of the Republic to be enforced.
They are not backing candidate x or y or asking for a change in policy.

I fail to see how the letter can be classed politically neutral, the presence of politically charged rhetoric speaks otherwise:

Our tricolor flags are not just a piece of cloth, they symbolize the tradition, through the ages, of those who, whatever their skin color or their faith, served France and gave their lives for it. On these flags, we find in gold letters the words “Honor and Fatherland”. However, our honor today lies in the denunciation of the disintegration which strikes our country.

- Discrimination which, through a certain anti-racism, is displayed with a single goal: to create on our soil a malaise, even hatred between the communities. Today some speak of racialism, indigenism and decolonial theories, but through these terms it is racial war that these hateful and fanatic supporters want. They despise our country, its traditions, its culture, and want to see it dissolve by taking away its past and its history. Thus they attack, through statues, ancient military and civilian glories by analyzing words that are centuries old.

- Discrimination which, with Islamism and the suburban hordes, leads to the detachment of multiple plots of the nation to transform them into territories subject to dogmas contrary to our constitution. However, each French, whatever his belief or his non-belief, is everywhere at home in France; there cannot and must not exist any city, any district where the laws of the Republic do not apply.

- Discrimination, because hatred takes precedence over brotherhood during demonstrations where the power uses the police as auxiliary agents and scapegoats in the face of French people in yellow vests expressing their despair. This while infiltrated and hooded individuals ransack businesses and threaten these same police forces. However, the latter only apply the directives, sometimes contradictory, given by you, the rulers.

Perils are mounting, violence is increasing day by day. Who would have predicted ten years ago that a professor would one day be beheaded when he left college? However, we, servants of the Nation, who have always been ready to put our skin at the end of our engagement - as our military state demanded, cannot be passive spectators before such actions.

Also, those who lead our country must imperatively find the courage necessary to eradicate these dangers. To do this, it is often sufficient to apply existing laws without weakness. Do not forget that, like us, a large majority of our fellow citizens are overwhelmed by your dabbling and guilty silences.

As Cardinal Mercier, Primate of Belgium, said: “When prudence is everywhere, courage is nowhere. " So, ladies and gentlemen, enough stalling, the situation is serious, work is enormous; do not waste time and know that we are ready to support policies which will take into consideration the safeguard of the nation.

On the other hand, if nothing is done, laxity will continue to spread inexorably in society, ultimately causing an explosion and the intervention of our active comrades in a perilous mission of protecting our civilizational values and safeguarding our compatriots on the national territory.

As we can see, it is no longer time to procrastinate, otherwise, tomorrow the civil war will put an end to this growing chaos, and the deaths, for which you will bear the responsibility, will number in the thousands.

Tell me with a straight face that this guy wrote that letter, dare:

irishproduce · 28-04-2021 9:53pm

You'd have to think that if you could sit down today with France's leaders over the last day 50 years and show them what's happening now in the present due to their policies, that they would agree to not go down that same road and instead choose a more careful and measured approach, particularly to immigration and integration.

Meanwhile, infant Ireland ventures innocently down that same road refusing to believe problems lay ahead.

SEPT 23 1989 · 28-04-2021 9:53pm

Sous les pavés, la plage

listermint · 28-04-2021 9:58pm

irishproduce wrote: »

You'd have to think that if you could sit down today with France's leaders over the last day 50 years and show them what's happening now in the present due to their policies, that they would agree to not go down that same road and instead choose a more careful and measured approach, particularly to immigration and integration.

Meanwhile, infant Ireland ventures innocently down that same road refusing to believe problems lay ahead.

I know like let's ask for example Hitler what we should do with people who refuse to integrate or whatever other made up stuff you can sling at people. Othering its called.

Have folks here considered looking at what's going wrong in your own lives before looking past your front door for blame.

grassylawn · 28-04-2021 10:03pm

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SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Sous les pavés, la plage

Ideally yes. They used concrete under my patio though and now there is a drainage issue.

listermint wrote: »

I know like let's ask for example Hitler what we should do with people who refuse to integrate or whatever other made up stuff you can sling at people. Othering its called.

Have folks here considered looking at what's going wrong in your own lives before looking past your front door for blame.

Issues with my patio drainage. Puddles or goes into a soakaway at the foundations of my house

jk23 · 28-04-2021 10:05pm

listermint wrote: »

I know like let's ask for example Hitler what we should do with people who refuse to integrate or whatever other made up stuff you can sling at people. Othering its called.

Have folks here considered looking at what's going wrong in your own lives before looking past your front door for blame.

To be honest the only examples of othering in France is the violence towards innocent civilians seems to be from Islamic extremists

Stihl waters · 28-04-2021 10:09pm

listermint wrote: »

I know like let's ask for example Hitler what we should do with people who refuse to integrate or whatever other made up stuff you can sling at people. Othering its called.

Have folks here considered looking at what's going wrong in your own lives before looking past your front door for blame.

Classic mind your own business shìte talk, keep the simpletons occupied with the premier league or coronation street and other inane day to day stuff while the house burns down around you, good of you to bring up Hitler, it shows the level of debate your capable of

odyssey06 · 28-04-2021 10:09pm

Overheal wrote: »

I fail to see how the letter can be classed politically neutral, the presence of politically charged rhetoric speaks otherwise:

I just wonder if there's a very fine line they are walking by calling for existing laws of the republic to be enforced.

suicide_circus · 28-04-2021 10:12pm

This is a profound event.

28-04-2021 10:14pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

I just wonder if there's a very fine line they are walking by calling for existing laws of the republic to be enforced.

Sending that kind of letter they knew what gonna happen and they did it because has huge support
The army people know the rules and has full understanding about punishment
Retired could lose them pensions and get into prison and they know that very well
At the moment army of France stand against president of France

AmyMurphy22 · 28-04-2021 10:14pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

This is a profound event.

It's drama, that's all. It's what the French are good at. Recall - the French declared war on Germany in WW2. Germany took over France in weeks - took Paris in a day. They're a shambles.

Stihl waters · 28-04-2021 10:18pm

AmyMurphy22 wrote: »

It's drama, that's all. It's what the French are good at. Recall - the French declared war on Germany in WW2. Germany took over France in weeks - took Paris in a day. They're a shambles.

Why did the germans take France so quickly do you think

grassylawn · 28-04-2021 10:20pm

AmyMurphy22 wrote: »

It's drama, that's all. It's what the French are good at. Recall - the French declared war on Germany in WW2. Germany took over France in weeks - took Paris in a day. They're a shambles.

The extreme efficacy of the German army didn't mean their opponents were a shambles. Nazi Germany didn't lose a land battle until 1941.

AmyMurphy22 · 28-04-2021 10:22pm

Stihl waters wrote: »

Why did the germans take France so quickly do you think

French army were pussies. The generals who signed the letter probably are too - waited until they retired to avoid any actual fighting. If there's a French civil war, it'll be a race to see who can surrender first.

jam_mac_jam · 28-04-2021 10:23pm

There have been other wars than ww2. Many of which France won. Does everyone get their views from the Simpsons.

Irish people slagging off France for their military is interesting.

suicide_circus · 28-04-2021 10:23pm

AmyMurphy22 wrote: »

It's drama, that's all. It's what the French are good at. Recall - the French declared war on Germany in WW2. Germany took over France in weeks - took Paris in a day. They're a shambles.

Senior military figures in an EU country in 2021 writing such a letter is shocking

28-04-2021 10:24pm

About number of years ago there was a number of arrests made in Germany Special forces team which was planning killing of the top member of Germany government to bring to power ultra nationalists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_X_plot

KeepItLight · 28-04-2021 10:25pm

listermint wrote: »

I know like let's ask for example Hitler what we should do with people who refuse to integrate or whatever other made up stuff you can sling at people. Othering its called.

Have folks here considered looking at what's going wrong in your own lives before looking past your front door for blame.

Cretinous take, probably the single dumbest thing I've ever read on Boards.ie (and that's saying quite a lot).

People have every right to be disgusted at the political class for destroying their nation with multiculturalism for the sake of GDP.

Stihl waters · 28-04-2021 10:25pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

There have been other wars than ww2. Many of which France won. Does everyone get their views from the Simpsons.

Irish people slagging off France for their military is interesting.

One of the greatest win ratios of any military powers but still cheese eating surrender monkeys because some morons saw the Simpsons and listen to baseline British humour from time to time

Dyr · 28-04-2021 10:26pm

Stihl waters wrote: »

Why did the germans take France so quickly do you think

Many reasons, a weak left wing government who were terrified of the army and refused any plans that were deemed too aggressive instead opting for passive defence, as they were afraid of high casualities. A refusal to give DeGaulle his armoured divisions manned by professional soldiers only instead of conscripts, because they considered it a risk to them. They had the best tanks of the early war but they squandered them as infantry support.

Concerted efforts by French communists to undermine army morale in order to help Uncle Joes ally, Adolf

Many, many, reasons

The French seem to have an ongoing issue with having indecisive leadership in charge of major player in world power.

Treppen · 28-04-2021 10:28pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Hard to disagree with that statement

I'm reading it and not really seeing much substance to it.

Only fact I see there is that a professor was beheaded... Sooooo.... now there's going to be a civil war!!

Stihl waters · 28-04-2021 10:28pm

AmyMurphy22 wrote: »

French army were pussies. The generals who signed the letter probably are too - waited until they retired to avoid any actual fighting. If there's a French civil war, it'll be a race to see who can surrender first.

I'll leave you to your ignorance, theres no point trying to educate people who get their learning from cartoons and comedians, maybe sometime you'll use your brain and try educate yourself

AmyMurphy22 · 28-04-2021 10:28pm

Stihl waters wrote: »

One of the greatest win ratios of any military powers but still cheese eating surrender monkeys because some morons saw the Simpsons and listen to baseline British humour from time to time

Q: How do you confuse a French Soldier?
A: Give him a rifle and ask him to shoot it.

Q. How do you introduce yourself in French? A. "Don't shoot, I give up!"

KeepItLight · 28-04-2021 10:30pm

Stihl waters wrote: »

One of the greatest win ratios of any military powers but still cheese eating surrender monkeys because some morons saw the Simpsons and listen to baseline British humour from time to time

Are you surprised some people absorb opinions they've heard from the pop-culture they consume and regurgitate it as it's their own take?

That being said, you'd still think the name Napoleon would ring a bell.

French generals cause backlash with 'civil war' warning

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