French generals cause backlash with 'civil war' warning

Revolution 1917

The French government has threatened to punish active soldiers who signed an open letter by 25 retired generals warning President Emmanuel Macron the country is headed for "civil war".

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210427-french-generals-cause-backlash-with-civil-war-warning

Silentcorner

The EU is in for an interesting ten years....

Beechwoodspark

France is in a huge mess

It’s sad that people who “call it out” are criticised

Revolution 1917

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

France is in a huge mess

It’s sad that people who “call it out” are criticised

This is democracy as they call and freedom of speech.What is difference against North Korea then ? They did not get death sentence ?

Overheal

Translated digitally:

Mr President,
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Government,
Ladies and Gentlemen, Members of Parliament,

The hour is serious, France is in danger, several mortal dangers threaten it. We who, even in retirement, remain soldiers of France, cannot, in the current circumstances, remain indifferent to the fate of our beautiful country.


Our tricolor flags are not just a piece of cloth, they symbolize the tradition, through the ages, of those who, whatever their skin color or their faith, served France and gave their lives for it. On these flags, we find in gold letters the words “Honor and Fatherland”. However, our honor today lies in the denunciation of the disintegration which strikes our country.

- Discrimination which, through a certain anti-racism, is displayed with a single goal: to create on our soil a malaise, even hatred between the communities. Today some speak of racialism, indigenism and decolonial theories, but through these terms it is racial war that these hateful and fanatic supporters want. They despise our country, its traditions, its culture, and want to see it dissolve by taking away its past and its history. Thus they attack, through statues, ancient military and civilian glories by analyzing words that are centuries old.

- Discrimination which, with Islamism and the suburban hordes, leads to the detachment of multiple plots of the nation to transform them into territories subject to dogmas contrary to our constitution. However, each French, whatever his belief or his non-belief, is everywhere at home in France; there cannot and must not exist any city, any district where the laws of the Republic do not apply.

- Discrimination, because hatred takes precedence over brotherhood during demonstrations where the power uses the police as auxiliary agents and scapegoats in the face of French people in yellow vests expressing their despair. This while infiltrated and hooded individuals ransack businesses and threaten these same police forces. However, the latter only apply the directives, sometimes contradictory, given by you, the rulers.

Perils are mounting, violence is increasing day by day. Who would have predicted ten years ago that a professor would one day be beheaded when he left college? However, we, servants of the Nation, who have always been ready to put our skin at the end of our engagement - as our military state demanded, cannot be passive spectators before such actions.

Also, those who lead our country must imperatively find the courage necessary to eradicate these dangers. To do this, it is often sufficient to apply existing laws without weakness. Do not forget that, like us, a large majority of our fellow citizens are overwhelmed by your dabbling and guilty silences.

As Cardinal Mercier, Primate of Belgium, said: “When prudence is everywhere, courage is nowhere. " So, ladies and gentlemen, enough stalling, the situation is serious, work is enormous; do not waste time and know that we are ready to support policies which will take into consideration the safeguard of the nation.

On the other hand, if nothing is done, laxity will continue to spread inexorably in society, ultimately causing an explosion and the intervention of our active comrades in a perilous mission of protecting our civilizational values ​​and safeguarding our compatriots on the national territory.

As we can see, it is no longer time to procrastinate, otherwise, tomorrow the civil war will put an end to this growing chaos, and the deaths, for which you will bear the responsibility, will number in the thousands.

The signatory generals:

General de Corps d'Armée (ER) Christian PIQUEMAL (Foreign Legion), General de Corps d'Armée (2S) Gilles BARRIE (Infantry), General of Division (2S) François GAUBERT former Military Governor of Lille, General of Division ( 2S) Emmanuel de RICHOUFFTZ (Infantry), General of Division (2S) Michel JOSLIN DE NORAY (Marine Troops), General of Brigade (2S) André COUSTOU (Infantry), General of Brigade (2S) Philippe DESROUSSEAUX of MEDRANO ( Train), Air Brigade General (2S) Antoine MARTINEZ (Air Force), Air Brigade General (2S) Daniel GROSMAIRE (Air Force), Brigade General (2S) Robert JEANNEROD (Cavalry), g eneral Brigade (2S) Pierre Dominique AIGUEPERSE (infantry) general Brigade (2S) Roland DUBOIS (Transmissions), gBrigadier General (2S) Dominique DELAWARDE (Infantry), Brigadier General (2S) Jean Claude GROLIER (Artillery), Brigadier General (2S) Norbert de CACQUERAY (Directorate General of Armament), Brigadier General (2S) Roger PRIGENT (ALAT), Brigadier General (2S) Alfred LEBRETON (CAT), General Doctor (2S) Guy DURAND (Army Health Service), Rear Admiral (2S) Gérard BALASTRE (French Navy).

Beechwoodspark

Hard to disagree with that statement

Revolution 1917

Irish media keep silence

corner of hells

Did the French not offer to surrender three weeks ago after the 21 gun salute when Prince Philip died ?

Stihl waters

The product of weak leadership, that's what happens when you have a leader with mammy issues, he needs to go and be replaced by someone a little further right of field to even things up a bit

Revolution 1917

Letter sent to President of France
If president will not change anything then army will change president.
Basically Coup d'état happened already

listermint

Reads like the who's who of nonsense. Yellow vests.... Christ this is Facebook level crap that drove brexit.

There's something at play here alright and it's disinformation spread via social platforms and nefarious 'news' sources.

Joe rogan heroism the dim man's Messiah

Silentcorner

listermint wrote: »

Reads like the who's who of nonsense. Yellow vests.... Christ this is Facebook level crap that drove brexit.

There's something at play here alright and it's disinformation spread via social platforms and nefarious 'news' sources.

Joe rogan heroism the dim man's Messiah

Wrong-think perhaps?

grassylawn

Letter encourages president to enforce the law without weakness. The active soldiers who signed the letter are breaking the law by not remaining politically neutral.

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grassylawn wrote: »

Letter encourages president to enforce the law without weakness. The active soldiers who signed the letter are breaking the law by not remaining politically neutral.

Same as President of France is not ? When President of France give more power to emigrants it is mean he is not President of France anymore.

Beechwoodspark

grassylawn wrote: »

Letter encourages president to enforce the law without weakness. The active soldiers who signed the letter are breaking the law by not remaining politically neutral.

They are still neutral

Guy:Incognito

Cal Croydon wrote: »

Can't argue with the fact a teacher was beheaded though. Not exactly an everyday occurrence in most countries.

Its not an everyday occurrence in France either. its a one off event you are able to point to straight away.


Its a strange intersecting point on the venn diagram of people that try wave away the amount of people killed by police in america because its so big and there are so many police, while maximimise the amount of incidents commited by a particular religion in another country.

Revolution 1917

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

They are still neutral

At the moment

francois

Revolution 1917 wrote: »

Letter sent to President of France
If president will not change anything then army will change president.
Basically Coup d'état happened already

Nonsense

grassylawn

Why is it hard to integrate people from less pleasant backgrounds into a lovely country with enormous culture? People are weird.

listermint

Cal Croydon wrote: »

Can't argue with the fact a teacher was beheaded though. Not exactly an everyday occurrence in most countries.

What does that have to do with the French President.

Often people who are drawn in by this stuff draw lines that don't exist. Because they wish for it to be true.

grassylawn

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

They are still neutral

The letter is taking a political stance. It was signed by active soldiers, not just retired generals. They are breaking the law the letter goes on about enforcing.

The thing that strikes me the most is the awful flowery roundabout style of the letter. Painful to read it.

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francois wrote: »

Nonsense

In African countries its call Coup d'état
In Europe its call "friendly conversation drinking coffe " talking about future of the country eating strawberies and cake.
The army sent clear signal to President of the country !

Stihl waters

What's the mood of the French people, would the army have any support if the rolled up to the palace and asked Macron to pack the bag and started routing out extremist elements around the country

Dyr

Whats France now? 5-10 per cent Muslim? Looks like they're on schedule

Of course, we're doing our best to catch up, as per usual.

odyssey06

grassylawn wrote: »

The letter is taking a political stance. It was signed by active soldiers, not just retired generals. They are breaking the law the letter goes on about enforcing.

The thing that strikes me the most is the awful flowery roundabout style of the letter. Painful to read it.

Possibly it is still politically neutral to ask for the current laws of the Republic to be enforced.
They are not backing candidate x or y or asking for a change in policy.

Beechwoodspark

grassylawn wrote: »

The letter is taking a political stance. It was signed by active soldiers, not just retired generals. They are breaking the law the letter goes on about enforcing.

The thing that strikes me the most is the awful flowery roundabout style of the letter. Painful to read it.

Wouldn’t go so far as to say it’s taking a stance. It’s simply pointing out the risks to the French republic

Revolution 1917

Stihl waters wrote: »

What's the mood of the French people, would the army have any support if the rolled up to the palace and asked Macron to pack the bag and started routing out extremist elements around the country

The best things in world what people of France do is strikes and revolutions.
Who said germans will not be next ?
Or people of Sweden ?
Denmark sending refugees home already

Overheal

odyssey06 wrote: »

Possibly it is still politically neutral to ask for the current laws of the Republic to be enforced.
They are not backing candidate x or y or asking for a change in policy.

I fail to see how the letter can be classed politically neutral, the presence of politically charged rhetoric speaks otherwise:

Our tricolor flags are not just a piece of cloth, they symbolize the tradition, through the ages, of those who, whatever their skin color or their faith, served France and gave their lives for it. On these flags, we find in gold letters the words “Honor and Fatherland”. However, our honor today lies in the denunciation of the disintegration which strikes our country.

- Discrimination which, through a certain anti-racism, is displayed with a single goal: to create on our soil a malaise, even hatred between the communities. Today some speak of racialism, indigenism and decolonial theories, but through these terms it is racial war that these hateful and fanatic supporters want. They despise our country, its traditions, its culture, and want to see it dissolve by taking away its past and its history. Thus they attack, through statues, ancient military and civilian glories by analyzing words that are centuries old.

- Discrimination which, with Islamism and the suburban hordes, leads to the detachment of multiple plots of the nation to transform them into territories subject to dogmas contrary to our constitution. However, each French, whatever his belief or his non-belief, is everywhere at home in France; there cannot and must not exist any city, any district where the laws of the Republic do not apply.

- Discrimination, because hatred takes precedence over brotherhood during demonstrations where the power uses the police as auxiliary agents and scapegoats in the face of French people in yellow vests expressing their despair. This while infiltrated and hooded individuals ransack businesses and threaten these same police forces. However, the latter only apply the directives, sometimes contradictory, given by you, the rulers.

Perils are mounting, violence is increasing day by day. Who would have predicted ten years ago that a professor would one day be beheaded when he left college? However, we, servants of the Nation, who have always been ready to put our skin at the end of our engagement - as our military state demanded, cannot be passive spectators before such actions.

Also, those who lead our country must imperatively find the courage necessary to eradicate these dangers. To do this, it is often sufficient to apply existing laws without weakness. Do not forget that, like us, a large majority of our fellow citizens are overwhelmed by your dabbling and guilty silences.

As Cardinal Mercier, Primate of Belgium, said: “When prudence is everywhere, courage is nowhere. " So, ladies and gentlemen, enough stalling, the situation is serious, work is enormous; do not waste time and know that we are ready to support policies which will take into consideration the safeguard of the nation.

On the other hand, if nothing is done, laxity will continue to spread inexorably in society, ultimately causing an explosion and the intervention of our active comrades in a perilous mission of protecting our civilizational values ​​and safeguarding our compatriots on the national territory.

As we can see, it is no longer time to procrastinate, otherwise, tomorrow the civil war will put an end to this growing chaos, and the deaths, for which you will bear the responsibility, will number in the thousands.

Tell me with a straight face that this guy wrote that letter, dare:

irishproduce

You'd have to think that if you could sit down today with France's leaders over the last day 50 years and show them what's happening now in the present due to their policies, that they would agree to not go down that same road and instead choose a more careful and measured approach, particularly to immigration and integration.

Meanwhile, infant Ireland ventures innocently down that same road refusing to believe problems lay ahead.

SEPT 23 1989

Sous les pavés, la plage

listermint

irishproduce wrote: »

You'd have to think that if you could sit down today with France's leaders over the last day 50 years and show them what's happening now in the present due to their policies, that they would agree to not go down that same road and instead choose a more careful and measured approach, particularly to immigration and integration.

Meanwhile, infant Ireland ventures innocently down that same road refusing to believe problems lay ahead.

I know like let's ask for example Hitler what we should do with people who refuse to integrate or whatever other made up stuff you can sling at people. Othering its called.

Have folks here considered looking at what's going wrong in your own lives before looking past your front door for blame.