Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

Necro · 28-04-2021 01:55PM

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1387385359563116546?s=19

Knew it. I knew well they would give something like this to stop people heading up to NI when the indoor pubs reopen end of May. Very promising this

mohawk · 28-04-2021 01:55PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

I wouldn't right of holidays in Europe yet , the EU might kick us in to gear with the green card. knowing our shower you will probably be able to fly out of the country quicker than go to a local restaurant

I wonder if government are stupid enough to let that happen. All that disposable income leaving the country while we are paying people to sit at home on the PUP. It would be madness and a PR nightmare.

Klonker · 28-04-2021 01:55PM

charlie14 wrote: »

You are talking now comparing Ireland to the U.K. during a period when the U.K. was a complete shambles in dealing with this virus with one of the highest per capita death rates in the world. Do you really think it would have been a good idea for Ireland to copy everything they did in that period ?

We are indeed only around a month, perhaps a little more depending on supply, behind the U.K. vaccination levels where they opened outdoor dining and outdoor pub service. It will be 5 weeks after that date before they are planning, should 4 tests be passed, on opening indoor dining and pubs on May 17th.
Do you somehow thing we should just pass go and jump into the 2nd. level of U.K. openings and why ?

The U.K. are not "conservative in their opening" They are further ahead than any European country in opening because of their vaccination numbers.
They did not open anything until they had reached a 50% vaccination level over 2 weeks ago and from their data it is working on lowering infections and deaths.
If countries choose to open up on a basis less than the U.K. vaccination rate then they are doing so not on the basis of the data from the U.K., or indeed Israel, They are doing it on the basis of chancing it and hoping for the best.

Of course the UK are being conservative in their reopening. Do you think any other country in Europe are going to wait until they have 50% of adults vaccinated before they open outdoor dining and hairdressers apart from Ireland? Most European countries already have those things open now and have about 25% of adults vaccinated, similar to ourselves. So how is the UK not conservative in its reopening if it is being more conservative than every other country in Europe aprt from us? I'm not asking us to slip ahead stages but giving the circa month vaccine difference we should be able to reopen retail and outdoor dining mid May and indoor dining and pubs mid June but we won't, we probably won't even have the latter by mid July.

So we will be more conservative than the most conservative country (or whatever you want to call the UK), who had the option of being more conservative due to the speed of their rollout.

It doesn't mater who you compare us to our reopening is slower than everyone else even though we have better metrics such as less vulnerable people and lower covid rates but none of that seems to matter. How come our NPHETs projections are so much more negative than every other countries? Is everyone else's scientests and public health experts wrong or something or perhaps its Ireland who are out of step!

Micky 32 · 28-04-2021 02:02PM

Lefty2Guns wrote: »

I think people need to brace themselves for another winter lockdown. The soundbites from Government about it are constant.

It’s getting more obvious by the day that MM has either forgotten we have a vaccination program or he thinks the vaccines won’t work or at least won’t work good enough. A vaccinated public shouldn’t see “spikes”. It’s looking more obvious we won’t be going back to normal. The only chance we have is that if this pandemic repeats history and eventually dies out.

Thankfully i’m in a position to emmigrate to the US by next year if this **** show becomes permanent.

paddyisreal · 28-04-2021 02:03PM

gozunda wrote: »

Spain ahead by just a few percentage points for first and second dose vaccinations interestingly enough.

Who gives a "****" once the "elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated"???

The absolute majority give a "****" I'd reckon.

Yeah Spain are taking a risk as you said. Hope it works out for them.

Here we are keeping the infection rate down and progressing with our vaccination programme. The former is something Spain seem to have let slip atm.

If keeping the infection rate down is a measure of success , what will we do with all the children in the country cause i hate to break it to you but their ain't no kids vaccine ? so there are going to be about 1.7 million people in the country with no vaccine even after we vaccinate everyone who wants one.

Maybe infection rate is not the barometer you think it is....

lawred2 · 28-04-2021 02:04PM

gozunda wrote: »

Spain ahead by just a few percentage points for first and second dose vaccinations interestingly enough.

Who gives a "****" once the "elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated"???

The absolute majority give a "****" I'd reckon.

Yeah Spain are taking a risk as you said. Hope it works out for them.

Here we are keeping the infection rate down and progressing with our vaccination programme. The former is something Spain seem to have let slip atm.

you've done the field work?

or you're a self appointed spokesperson?

bear1 · 28-04-2021 02:07PM

lawred2 wrote: »

you've done the field work?

or you're a self appointed spokesperson?

It's very easy to pull facts from your hole.
Watch. The absolute majority Prefer lockdowns

Boggles · 28-04-2021 02:10PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s getting more obvious by the day that MM has either forgotten we have a vaccination program or he thinks the vaccines won’t work or at least won’t work good enough. A vaccinated public shouldn’t see “spikes”. It’s looking more obvious we won’t be going back to normal. The only chance we have is that if this pandemic repeats history and eventually dies out.

Of course there could be and hospitalizations and deaths.

That is the reality of the near future.

Everyone is fire fighting domestically at the moment, but the wider issue will need to tackled in the coming years.

13 months ago the situation was very grave, I don't think people can or want to comprehend how grave.

This year I predict a high vaccination rate heading for the Autumn, can anyone guarantee the same level in 2-3-4 years time?

We may be living with this for a while, but vaccines allow us to.

Unfortunately a vaccine doesn't mean a vaccination.

But again who knows, like you suggest we could get lucky and could fúck off.

paddyisreal · 28-04-2021 02:10PM

mohawk wrote: »

I wonder if government are stupid enough to let that happen. All that disposable income leaving the country while we are paying people to sit at home on the PUP. It would be madness and a PR nightmare.

I wouldn't be surprised. They are that incompetent anything is possible

Potatoeman · 28-04-2021 02:16PM

After 4 months every politician has a haircut, either their partners are all hairdressers or they are showing the usual double standards.

castletownman · 28-04-2021 02:17PM

Necro wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1387385359563116546?s=19

Knew it. I knew well they would give something like this to stop people heading up to NI when the indoor pubs reopen end of May. Very promising this

Sharpyshoot · 28-04-2021 02:17PM

Potatoeman wrote: »

After 4 months every politician has a haircut, either their partners are all hairdressers or they are showing the usual double standards.

M Martin’s hair is cocking out in a curl at the back.

Sammy2012 · 28-04-2021 02:21PM

Just wondering (as a 2nd class teacher) has there been any mention of communions going ahead? I know they will allow normal service resume in the coming weeks but does anyone know if communions/confirmations will go ahead due to the gatherings that will happen around them. Would it be up to church leaders or government to decide that?

funnydoggy · 28-04-2021 02:22PM

Boggles wrote: »

Unfortunately a vaccine doesn't mean a vaccination.

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charlie14 · 28-04-2021 02:23PM

Klonker wrote: »

Of course the UK are being conservative in their reopening. Do you think any other country in Europe are going to wait until they have 50% of adults vaccinated before they open outdoor dining and hairdressers apart from Ireland? Most European countries already have those things open now and have about 25% of adults vaccinated, similar to ourselves. So how is the UK not conservative in its reopening if it is being more conservative than every other country in Europe aprt from us? I'm not asking us to slip ahead stages but giving the circa month vaccine difference we should be able to reopen retail and outdoor dining mid May and indoor dining and pubs mid June but we won't, we probably won't even have the latter by mid July.

So we will be more conservative than the most conservative country (or whatever you want to call the UK), who had the option of being more conservative due to the speed of their rollout.

It doesn't mater who you compare us to our reopening is slower than everyone else even though we have better metrics such as less vulnerable people and lower covid rates but none of that seems to matter. How come our NPHETs projections are so much more negative than every other countries? Is everyone else's scientests and public health experts wrong or something or perhaps its Ireland who are out of step!

So how does that make these European countries opening anything other than taking a chance and hope it works out ?
The only data on the control of this virus that shows a decline in cases and deaths is that of both the U.K. and Israel vaccination levels. Particularly in relation to Ireland where the U.K. did not open anything until they had reached 50% first dose. So yes, if we have reached the same level of vaccination as the U.K. on the basis of the known scientific data we should do the same. In step with the actual scientific data rather than conjecture.

As to the metric on lower Covid rates, was that not the arguement being put forward by some on here prior to Christmas with their "re-opening everything".
That worked well alright.

Boggles · 28-04-2021 02:28PM

Potatoeman wrote: »

After 4 months every politician has a haircut, either their partners are all hairdressers or they are showing the usual double standards.

Yeah, you would have to be a professional stylist to tackle MM's bounce.

A tweezers and 90 seconds.

funnydoggy · 28-04-2021 02:30PM

Boggles wrote: »

Yeah, you would have to be a professional stylist to tackle MM's bounce.

A tweezers and 90 seconds.

:pac: I'm out on a walk and I'm giggling away to myself. People are probably wondering who let me out!

charlie14 · 28-04-2021 02:31PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

If keeping the infection rate down is a measure of success , what will we do with all the children in the country cause i hate to break it to you but their ain't no kids vaccine ? so there are going to be about 1.7 million people in the country with no vaccine even after we vaccinate everyone who wants one.

Maybe infection rate is not the barometer you think it is....

For a transmittable virus the barometer is the level at which you reach herd immunity.
A number of pharma companies are already trialling vaccines for younger age groups.

gozunda · 28-04-2021 02:31PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

If keeping the infection rate down is a measure of success , what will we do with all the children in the country cause i hate to break it to you but their ain't no kids vaccine ? so there are going to be about 1.7 million people in the country with no vaccine even after we vaccinate everyone who wants one.

Maybe infection rate is not the barometer you think it is....

OK so we've gone from "once the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated who gives a **** to will 'someone not think of the kids'?

Eh not sure what "kids" have got to do with what was said. But whatever

Afaik the WHO is not recommending vaccination of children below 16 years of age. Though that is likely to change as vaccine trials on children go ahead.

It remains that with min. 50% of the eligible adult population vaccinated then the available evidence from the UK and Isreal shows that the rate of infection does fall rapidly

And with the rate of infection down and it can be kept down via vaccination as we have seen in those countries- case numbers decline and hospital numbers go down, and as a result countries are much less likley to end up on the banned list of other countries regarding travel .

So no its not a 'barometer' but its certainly one of the primary goals of most countries atm.

charlie14 · 28-04-2021 02:40PM

Necro wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1387385359563116546?s=19

Knew it. I knew well they would give something like this to stop people heading up to NI when the indoor pubs reopen end of May. Very promising this

Nothing to do with our first dose vaccinations being possibly around 50% at that stage ?

Whatsisname · 28-04-2021 02:42PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

If keeping the infection rate down is a measure of success , what will we do with all the children in the country cause i hate to break it to you but their ain't no kids vaccine ? so there are going to be about 1.7 million people in the country with no vaccine even after we vaccinate everyone who wants one.

Maybe infection rate is not the barometer you think it is....

The goalpost beginning to be moved again. It was once all the vulnerable are vaccinated, to once all the over 50s are, to all adults, and now it's making its way down to teenagers & children. Nothing is ever enough.

gozunda · 28-04-2021 02:45PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

The goalpost beginning to be moved again. It was once all the vulnerable are vaccinated, to once all the over 50s are, to all adults, and now it's making its way down to children. Nothing is ever enough.

I think you're been a tad dramatic there. The priority was always to get the elderly and medically vulnerable vaccinated first - then other groups by age. Plus the WHO does not recommend vaccination of children below 16 years of age atm.

I don't ever remember being told we could let it rip once the first groups were vaccinated.

timmyntc · 28-04-2021 02:46PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Nothing to do with our first dose vaccinations being possibly around 50% at that stage ?

By that stage we could be swamped with Indian variants!

Potatoeman · 28-04-2021 02:55PM

Boggles wrote: »

Yeah, you would have to be a professional stylist to tackle MM's bounce.

A tweezers and 90 seconds.

You think his wife is doing it? He’s still getting a professional to do it.

Tenzor07 · 28-04-2021 02:58PM

Well at least Varadkar is being optimistic about this Summer. the Great outdoors, Staycations in your own county... So positive from him...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/varadkar-the-summer-is-not-lost-1.4271741

bear1 · 28-04-2021 02:59PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Well at least Varadkar is being optimistic about this Summer. the Great outdoors, Staycations in your own county... So positive from him...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/varadkar-the-summer-is-not-lost-1.4271741

****e if you live in laois or carlow

Gael23 · 28-04-2021 03:02PM

Hotels open with no bar or restaurant won’t attract anyone to holiday at home

ArthurDayne · 28-04-2021 03:13PM

Boggles wrote: »

Again you haven't offered any solutions or methods.

Open everything now and let's see is neither.

Vaccinate and open up is the way to go, the path has been paved.

But contrarians are going to be contrary.

And there it is, the deus ex machina of all those who parrot the government’s strategy — to speak out against restrictions is to say “open everything up and let’s see”. It’s a great tool, a handy way of bludgeoning the nuance out of an argument until it resembles the argument you want to hear so you can criticise it with the same blanket responses.

The problem here of course is that all I actually mentioned in my post were things that have all already been open during the Covid crisis — and that was before there was a vaccine. I do not believe in just opening everything up, I simply believe in stripping away the measures that are not necessary to prevent the vista on which lockdown was justified. I believe in the abundance of proportionality, not the abundance of caution — to give businesses a fighting chance of survival, to contribute to economic recovery which will have knock on effects as regards socioeconomic deprivation and indeed poverty, to give young people a chance to get their formative years back on track, to make people more willing to sustain and endure the more necessary measures — and of course to protect life within the boundaries of reasonableness.

I mean, where have your posts about the 5km rule gone? Why aren’t you calling for it to be reinstated? You will of course say that the 5km rule was necessary and that it was simply lifted at the right time — and the right time for you is simply whenever you are told it is the right time, whereby anyone who dared argue that it should have been lifted quicker is merely a contrarian. I of course am a complete contrarian fool for daring to say that the government’s appreciation for when the 5km rule should have been lifted (even if one thinks it never should have been imposed) was later than it should have been — and even more so for believing that they are being too slow on other measures too.

And like the 5km rule, you will quietly pack up your goalposts at each juncture and move them to wherever they need to be so you can keep equating critical thought, and the horrendous audacity of mere silly civilians to question State policy, with contrarianism.

28-04-2021 03:21PM

gozunda wrote: »

absolute majority

Define this term.

And then stop using it incorrectly.

charlie14 · 28-04-2021 03:26PM

timmyntc wrote: »

By that stage we could be swamped with Indian variants!

With us keeping the numbers low until we reach that 50% vaccination first dose mark unlikely I would imagine.
Still, you do know don`t you that one of the four tests the U.K. stipulates having to be passed before they move to the next level of re-opening is that I.C.U. numbers are not fundamentally changed due to a new variant ?

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