Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles wrote: »

Great, as per the post you just quoted, you just need your 'vaccine passport' and you are good to go.

Have a good one.

Imagine belonging to an organization that actually takes your constitutionally enshrined rights seriously - mad isn't it?

The EU will force the issue and certificates will allow travel to other EU countries - that's our right as citizens. I'll have both my shots by July and will be jetting off in August.

I know it shouldn't, but the thought that it will annoy an few lockdown clappy-seals, is probably going to make it even more enjoyable.

Boggles wrote: »

How many outbreaks has there been associated with indoor dining or drinking in a licensed premise this week?

None ergo they pose no risk and should be open. :cool:

Other countries : need strong reasons and justification to maintain continuation of lockdowns

Ireland: need strong reasons to justify exiting the default lockdown

bb1234567 wrote: »

Other countries : need strong reasons and justification to maintain continuation of lockdowns

Ireland: need strong reasons to justify exiting the default lockdown

Exactly, but many seem happy to have level 5 lockdown as the default response to any risk.

charlie14 wrote: »

Funnily enough so do I, and the only evidence I have seen so far to control the spread of this virus has been vaccination by primarily Israel and the U.K. With the U.K. being the one most relevant to Ireland IMHO.
Do you believe we should learn from the experience of the U.K. when it comes to opening up, or should we just do so on speculation ?

So the UK never closed construction or cancelled click and collect. Do you agree these never should have stopped as they only have a negligible effect on our covid rates while the closing/cancelling of these has a large economic and social effect. Since we are comparing with the UK.

Also we are only about a month behind the UK in vaccinating terms and they'll have indoor dining and pubs mid May, do you think we should have the same mid June?

I honestly don't think comparisons with the UK is even good to be honest. The reason they are conservative in their reopening is because they can be because of their vaccine supply. All other EU countries will open up before us even though they have way higher rates and less vaccine take up. You couldn't say the UK was anywhere near the most conservative in 2020, the only thing that's changed is the vaccine supply. If the tables were turned and they were the ones lagging the EU in roll out they certainly wouldn't be waiting until such high numbers are vaccinated to ease their restrictions.

So good and all as vaccine passports are gonna be for travelling one day, what’s the story with two weeks away from the job if you’ve been abroad rule? Is this gonna be scrapped when vaccine passports come in?

Boggles wrote: »

Nope.

You claimed public health could not "guarantee anything".

They cant guarantee anything. They cant strongarm people into compliance the same as a restaurateur cannot force people to behave before & after they are in his/her establishment.

Plenty of people dont follow public health guidelines - surely you've noticed this on your many walks around Ireland?

Zebra3 wrote: »

So good and all as vaccine passports are gonna be for travelling one day, what’s the story with two weeks away from the job if you’ve been abroad rule? Is this gonna be scrapped when vaccine passports come in?

Your workplace has no right to know what you do in your spare time.

if your company want to know if you plan to travel abroad ask them to kindly PFO.

gozunda wrote: »

So Spain plan to welcome tourists in June and you want hotels open here now? Okay ...

Meanwhile in Spain ...



Current WHO data for Spain detail high levels (at least 60 per 100 000 population) / increases in the 14-day COVID-19 case notification rates compared to previous.

Fingers crossed they manage to keep up with their vaccination schedule

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer

Doing a bit better than us in their vaccine rollout and also once the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated who gives a **** ?

Spain are obviously not adverse to risk like our over paid, conservative government whom seem intent in dragging this out as long as possible.

What are the chances Tony & friends don't recommend the resumption of personal services or non essential retail for next month?

I have a sneaking feeling that is what they will tell government.

Klonker wrote: »

So the UK never closed construction or cancelled click and collect. Do you agree these never should have stopped as they only have a negligible effect on our covid rates while the closing/cancelling of these has a large economic and social effect. Since we are comparing with the UK.

Also we are only about a month behind the UK in vaccinating terms and they'll have indoor dining and pubs mid May, do you think we should have the same mid June?

I honestly don't think comparisons with the UK is even good to be honest. The reason they are conservative in their reopening is because they can be because of their vaccine supply. All other EU countries will open up before us even though they have way higher rates and less vaccine take up. You couldn't say the UK was anywhere near the most conservative in 2020, the only thing that's changed is the vaccine supply. If the tables were turned and they were the ones lagging the EU in roll out they certainly wouldn't be waiting until such high numbers are vaccinated to ease their restrictions.

You are talking now comparing Ireland to the U.K. during a period when the U.K. was a complete shambles in dealing with this virus with one of the highest per capita death rates in the world. Do you really think it would have been a good idea for Ireland to copy everything they did in that period ?

We are indeed only around a month, perhaps a little more depending on supply, behind the U.K. vaccination levels where they opened outdoor dining and outdoor pub service. It will be 5 weeks after that date before they are planning, should 4 tests be passed, on opening indoor dining and pubs on May 17th.
Do you somehow thing we should just pass go and jump into the 2nd. level of U.K. openings and why ?

The U.K. are not "conservative in their opening" They are further ahead than any European country in opening because of their vaccination numbers.
They did not open anything until they had reached a 50% vaccination level over 2 weeks ago and from their data it is working on lowering infections and deaths.
If countries choose to open up on a basis less than the U.K. vaccination rate then they are doing so not on the basis of the data from the U.K., or indeed Israel, They are doing it on the basis of chancing it and hoping for the best.

paddyisreal wrote: »

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer

Doing a bit better than us in their vaccine rollout and also once the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated who gives a **** ?

Spain are obviously not adverse to risk like our over paid, conservative government whom seem intent in dragging this out as long as possible.

Spain ahead by just a few percentage points for first and second dose vaccinations interestingly enough.

Who gives a "****" once the "elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated"???

The absolute majority give a "****" I'd reckon.

Yeah Spain are taking a risk as you said. Hope it works out for them.

Here we are keeping the infection rate down and progressing with our vaccination programme. The former is something Spain seem to have let slip atm.

Sawduck wrote: »

So holidays abroad are looking unlikely again this summer, any chance of holidays in Ireland or even restaurants or pubsopening, or are we looking at another depressing summer while many other countries enjoy life

Holidays abroad were permitted last summer. Ireland had its "Green List" of countries. I had two amazing trips to Italy. Rome was glorious in the sunshine without all the millions of tourists at the regular sites. The second trip was to Venice, same again just the locals and a few tourists.

I flew home and straight back to normal here. The same will be possible this summer whenever the government get their act together.

I know a few friends who went to Greece and really loved it too. You have to take your opportunities when you can with this thing.

bikeman1 wrote: »

Holidays abroad were permitted last summer. Ireland had its "Green List" of countries. I had two amazing trips to Italy. Rome was glorious in the sunshine without all the millions of tourists at the regular sites. The second trip was to Venice, same again just the locals and a few tourists.

I flew home and straight back to normal here. The same will be possible this summer whenever the government get their act together.

I know a few friends who went to Greece and really loved it too. You have to take your opportunities when you can with this thing.

I was thinking the same thing.

It's amazing how compliant the Irish are - a bit of finger-wagging from 'de man on de telly' and most people tugged their forelock and promptly canceled their trips.

I was in Venice too - amazing to be able to show this fascinating city to our kids in August without the hoards of tourists you usually get.