Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

dalyboy · 27-04-2021 08:58PM

Just to update everyone on this thread regarding N.I.

I’ve gone to Newry , Armagh , portadown , Bangor and Belfast city yesterday and just back this evening.
I travelled up the M1 and was under essential travel from my business so had an excuse if stoped by Gardai or psni.

Didn’t happen. Not once was I stopped either direction.

Also , got to say , the atmosphere in every place was very positive and friendly (even more than usual) .

pouladuff_goal · 27-04-2021 09:02PM

rogber wrote: »

That was my experience too, just wondered if things have changed as planning to return soon to visit sick and elderly parent, happy to lay low for 5 days and do the test on day 5 but the idea you can't even go for a walk or pick up milk at the shop without risking a huge fine is ridiculous.

It is very restrictive not being allowed go for even a walk. I think it would be worth it for a couple of weeks in the sun.

Lmkrnr · 27-04-2021 09:05PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

The law is that you are still supposed to do the quarantine.

The Belfast thing is people saying that you are unlikely to get caught if you go via Belfast.

I don't know how likely it is that you would get caught for breaking the law in that manner.

My thoughts are if you pass the Border you fall under NI laws. Irish laws are not applicable. So if you have a valid reason to visit the North then once you cross the border you can do what you lawfully want.

Lets say you need to visit a grave in the north, you are then exempt from the travel limits. Then when in are the North you Travel to England inline with common travel area guidelines without any restrictions. No laws broken.

Happydays2020 · 27-04-2021 09:07PM

Lmkrnr wrote: »

My thoughts are if you pass the Border you fall under NI laws. Irish laws are not applicable. So if you have a valid reason to visit the North then once you cross the border you can do what you lawfully want.

Lets say you need to visit a grave in the north, you are then exempt from the travel limits. Then when in are the North you Travel to England inline with common travel area guidelines without any restrictions. No laws broken.

Does visiting a grave up north qualify as essential business?

27-04-2021 09:09PM

Lmkrnr wrote: »

My thoughts are if you pass the Border you fall under NI laws. Irish laws are not applicable. So if you have a valid reason to visit the North then once you cross the border you can do what you lawfully want.

Lets say you need to visit a grave in the north, you are then exempt from the travel limits. Then when in are the North you Travel to England inline with common travel area guidelines without any restrictions. No laws broken.

People are obviously referring to the requirement to quarantine on returning to the state.

rogber wrote: »

Do the guards even check up on this quarantine thing at all if people are doing it from home? Anyone heard of it actually happening? I don't mean a phone call to ask are you still at that address, but actually pulling up outside and asking you to come to the door. Just can't see them having the resources or interest to do it

dan786 wrote: »

No they dont. Know plenty of people who travelled recently, all they got was text few days after they arrived if they are still at the address they provided. No calls etc.

Yes, they do. They didn't until a little before mhq kicked in and I'm not saying they get to everyone but people are visited and checked on.

daydorunrun · 27-04-2021 09:11PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Does visiting a grave up north qualify as essential business?

If it’s your own grave then yes.

Lmkrnr · 27-04-2021 09:12PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Does visiting a grave up north qualify as essential business?

Visiting a grave gives you an exemption from the current travel restrictions.

27-04-2021 09:14PM

Lmkrnr wrote: »

Visiting a grave gives you an exemption from the current travel restrictions.

Including another country? I guess it's not clarified in the legislation. Crafty

Happydays2020 · 27-04-2021 09:16PM

Posted in the other thread

https://twitter.com/noonanjoe/status/1387064292722282499?s=21

eltonyio · 27-04-2021 09:19PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Including another country? I guess it's not clarified in the legislation. Crafty

I'm considering going to Jim Morrison's final resting place in the beautiful Pere Lachaise in the summer. It would be quite an amusing court case if one did and it was challenged. Maybe Linehan and Matthews could script it.

Lmkrnr · 27-04-2021 09:20PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Including another country? I guess it's not clarified in the legislation. Crafty

The Irish government won't know you were out of the country. easyJet just like the Ferry don't require many details to travel. Name and phone number only. Jane doe could travel over and Back just as easy as ldriving from Wales to England.

Donald Trump · 27-04-2021 09:21PM

Lmkrnr wrote: »

My thoughts are if you pass the Border you fall under NI laws. Irish laws are not applicable. So if you have a valid reason to visit the North then once you cross the border you can do what you lawfully want.

Lets say you need to visit a grave in the north, you are then exempt from the travel limits. Then when in are the North you Travel to England inline with common travel area guidelines without any restrictions. No laws broken.

Depends on what you are talking about.

For the MHQ, the law is simply that if you are entering the state and have been in, or passed through (i.e. flight stopover) one of the designated countries within the past 14 days, then you are technically required to quarantine in a designated facility.

Lmkrnr · 27-04-2021 09:27PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Depends on what you are talking about.

For the MHQ, the law is simply that if you are entering the state and have been in, or passed through (i.e. flight stopover) one of the designated countries within the past 14 days, then you are technically required to quarantine in a designated facility.

Red list is in NI also. I am just refering to countries that have no restrictions to visit NI and the common travel area. When the UK opens up anyone can visit here by flying to NI and driving down. How will a guard no you were in India ect?

27-04-2021 09:28PM

eltonyio wrote: »

I'm considering going to Jim Morrison's final resting place in the beautiful Pere Lachaise in the summer. It would be quite an amusing court case if one did and it was challenged. Maybe Linehan and Matthews could script it.

Don't bother, it's just a boring headstone, barely legible

Donald Trump · 27-04-2021 09:36PM

Lmkrnr wrote: »

Red list is in NI also. I am just refering to countries that have no restrictions to visit NI and the common travel area. When the UK opens up anyone can visit here by flying to NI and driving down. How will a guard no you were in India ect?

But sure look. When the pubs open up you can drive half a mile down the local country road to it, get pissed and then drive home and be likely get away with it too. You can go into the local spar and fill your pockets with mars bars when nobody is looking and probably not get caught. Not getting caught doesn't imply legality.

I'm not saying you will or won't get away with anything. I was merely correcting another poster in case they thought that it was a legal loophole rather than a possible enforcement loophole

Micky 32 · 27-04-2021 09:41PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Posted in the other thread

https://twitter.com/noonanjoe/status/1387064292722282499?s=21

Isn’t that the usual stunt the government do? Then next week they’ll cave in to them and then they will be added.

eltonyio · 27-04-2021 09:44PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Don't bother, it's just a boring headstone, barely legible

Still beats hearing people say 'staycation'

Lmkrnr · 27-04-2021 09:45PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

But sure look. When the pubs open up you can drive half a mile down the local country road to it, get pissed and then drive home and be likely get away with it too. You can go into the local spar and fill your pockets with mars bars when nobody is looking and probably not get caught. Not getting caught doesn't imply legality.

I'm not saying you will or won't get away with anything. I was merely correcting another poster in case they thought that it was a legal loophole rather than a possible enforcement loophole

Drink driving and theft is not the same as someone legally travelling to NI and legally travelling to the UK.

Donald Trump · 27-04-2021 10:04PM

Lmkrnr wrote: »

Drink driving and theft is not the same as someone legally travelling to NI and legally travelling to the UK.

I never talked about that. I referred to people coming in via Belfast who think it is a legal loophole that means they are exempt from MHQ. It isn't. It may be an enforcement loophole.

If you have to go abroad to go somewhere for a legitimate reason, then once you are there you can do what you like. Irish rules no longer apply. I am not referring to that situation. I am referring to travel into Ireland.

dalyboy · 27-04-2021 10:13PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Depends on what you are talking about.

For the MHQ, the law is simply that if you are entering the state and have been in, or passed through (i.e. flight stopover) one of the designated countries within the past 14 days, then you are technically required to quarantine in a designated facility.

So then there’s a legal way to re-enter Northern Ireland via Belfast airport (inc any country on Irish MHQ list) and stay 14 days in a cheap Airbnb in eg Newry.

You’d be avoiding €1900 Ireland MHQ and still be quarantine compliant on your return across the Irish border.

Corholio · 27-04-2021 10:16PM

Donnelly confirmed countries are now only being added based on variants of concern and no longer on incidence rate.

dalyboy · 27-04-2021 10:23PM

Corholio wrote: »

Donnelly confirmed countries are now only being added based on variants of concern and no longer on incidence rate.

Omg . Things must be bad.
I can’t believe I’m cheering Donnelly on now.

Donald Trump · 27-04-2021 10:27PM

dalyboy wrote: »

So then there’s a legal way to re-enter Northern Ireland via Belfast airport (inc any country on Irish MHQ list) and stay 14 days in a cheap Airbnb in eg Newry.

You’d be avoiding €1900 Ireland MHQ and still be quarantine compliant on your return across the Irish border.

Yes. Because you then you wouldn't have been in the "redlist" country in the past 14 days. If your starting country was on the UK redlist though then you'd have to abide by their rules up there.

If your starting country was not on the UK redlist and you did your airbnb, would just need to. legally speaking, abide by whatever restrictions there might be (if any) for travel between NI and the Republic at that time.

The Argentinian lady in the paper appeared to have been caught out when she stopped off in the US on her way back for 14 days (according to her timeline). She probably did that in lieu of flying back directly to Ireland from Argentina and into MHQ. She was caught then when the US was added to the list.

I'm not saying there is likely to be restrictions. That would be up to yourself to make a judgement on that.

Micky 32 · 27-04-2021 10:34PM

Corholio wrote: »

Donnelly confirmed countries are now only being added based on variants of concern and no longer on incidence rate.

Wouldn’t that mean they’ll be permanently on the list? The VOC’s would be always be there in said country once circulating. Eventually there will be scariants in all countries.

dalyboy · 27-04-2021 10:39PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Yes. Because you then you wouldn't have been in the "redlist" country in the past 14 days. If your starting country was on the UK redlist though then you'd have to abide by their rules up there.

If your starting country was not on the UK redlist and you did your airbnb, would just need to. legally speaking, abide by whatever restrictions there might be (if any) for travel between NI and the Republic at that time.

The Argentinian lady in the paper appeared to have been caught out when she stopped off in the US on her way back for 14 days (according to her timeline). She probably did that in lieu of flying back directly to Ireland from Argentina and into MHQ. She was caught then when the US was added to the list.

I'm not saying there is likely to be restrictions. That would be up to yourself to make a judgement on that.

If there’s any way to get legally around the MHQ from Ireland it’s a good thing.

Sadly people will decide their options based on current traffic light travel system and both UK and Ireland are very unstable atm.

I’d say beginning of June will shine a lot of light on do-able travel options

Donald Trump · 27-04-2021 11:20PM

dalyboy wrote: »

If there’s any way to get legally around the MHQ from Ireland it’s a good thing.

There is actually a perfectly legal way for most people to very easily avoid MHQ in Ireland

Don't travel to any of the countries that are on the list, or likely to be added to the list

josip · 27-04-2021 11:25PM

Corholio wrote: »

Donnelly confirmed countries are now only being added based on variants of concern and no longer on incidence rate.

Switching from a measurable metric to an unmeasurable metric.
Which allows them to add any country they want and justify it with, "them variants".

M_Murphy57 · 28-04-2021 05:29AM

lcstress2012 wrote: »

Are you quarantining out of respect for others? As if you travel from Belfast you don’t need to quarantine I thought?

I dont officially, but I will. Just not in prison at Dublin airport at a cost of 2k.

Theres plenty of others who will do same this summer ie go via Belfast.

Like refusing to open outdoor dining or toilets despite thousands of people in public spaces every weekend, this is another example of FF sticking their stupid thick heads in the sand and pretending something isnt happening rather than supporting people to do it safely (and put money in our own economy)

M_Murphy57 · 28-04-2021 05:35AM

josip wrote: »

Switching from a measurable metric to an unmeasurable metric.
Which allows them to add any country they want and justify it with, "them variants".

Also the dominant virus in France and Italy is the UK variant. Why are they still on the list then?

SusanC10 · 28-04-2021 05:59AM

"Separately, Mr Donnelly told an Oireachtas committee on Tuesday Ireland was likely to take part in proposed new European arrangements to allow people who can prove they are fully vaccinated to travel in the EU."

From this article
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/vaccine-plan-redrawn-to-accelerate-rollout-as-summer-reopening-plans-finalised-1.4549489

What annoys me about this is "likely to take part" and "fully vaccinated" only people being referred to. No mention of negative test or recovery from Covid.

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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