Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

Deeper Blue wrote: »

That is absolutely not a fact

That is a fact

However this to and fro is just derailing the thread so I won't be responding to this ....anymore .

Goldengirl wrote: »

Seriously hmmm. You are scraping the barrel there , surprised at you .

Racaniello is a proper virologist and says the worries about variants are overblown.

There's plenty of others who would agree that while the virus is mutating, the rate of mutation is relatively small.

They don't have to be right, but there's certainly no consensus that a variant which evades vaccines is inevitable.

Jane1012 wrote: »

Everyone who is telling people to just take what they are offered, put yourselves in their shoes.
3 weeks ago I was offered AZ, I decided to decline as I'm in my early 30s and 6 months pregnant and I didn’t feel it was right me taking that when there were less risky vaccines available. I’ve since had the Pfizer vaccine. I was offered the AZ vaccine on a Friday, on the Monday NIAC said that under 60s should not get AZ, today they have said pregnant women should only get MRNA vaccines. My gut was right not to get it at the time, and the experts soon backed that up with the advice given. It’s fine saying that people should just take what they’re given but it sits uneasy with me giving the ‘vulnerable population’ a riskier vaccine just because we have a supply of it especially when the guidance is changing so often on it. I think it’s only fair for people to feel hesitant or unsure about it, I do think if they want to use up the AZ and j&j supply then let people sign up for it rather than force it on a certain age group.

This is exactly the problem though. While I think people will understand when somebody is pregnant, there are still thousands of women in the UK who have got the AZ vaccine and had absolutely no problem with it. So why is it such an issue here, when a real-life result is showing next to no issues with it?

In Ireland, we have let the media whip up a frenzy re "risky vaccines" - no vaccine is more risky than getting in a car, or of getting covid itself. And in addition, as I have already said, the variants which have happened since the original clinical trial for Pfizer etc mean the goal posts have moved and indeed some variants (e.g. South African) the Pfizer vaccine has significantly less efficacy than J&J.

I really wish somebody in the know would come out and explain just how excellent all these vaccines are, how low the risks connected with all of them are and debunk the utter bs that has doctors and their staff playing Joe Duffy to the "I want a Pfizer" brigade.

We need those who can explain this to be shouting this message instead of having NIAC spending days coming up with a different decision to the FDA and the EMA. Arbitrary restrictions are just creating needless panic.

I think they'll do a "just in case" booster, but at the moment, all of the variants (all of them) are basically neutralised by all of the vaccines (they prevent you getting badly sick or being hospitalised or dieing).

A booster will nick any of that in the bud anyway.

giveitholly wrote: »

Does that mean no boosters in the Autumn? Especially for the elderly?

I heard some immunoligist (Luke O'Neill or somebody) say that if they are neede they would probably incorporate it with that awfully ineffective 40-50% winter flu vaccine that they took every year.....as long as it is a vial with Pfizer written on it.

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/pfizer-vaccine-heart-inflammation-myocarditis

"There's another report of a rare, potential side effect linked to a COVID-19 vaccine. This time, it's heart inflammation, aka myocarditis, associated with the Pfizer vaccine.

Israel's Health Ministry said on Sunday that it is looking into a small number of reported cases of heart inflammation in people who received the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine.........
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Myocarditis was identified in 62 of the more than 5 million people in Israel who had received the Pfizer vaccine, usually after their second dose. The majority of patients are mostly men.......
Most cases happened in men under the age of 30, and two people have died, including a 22-year-old woman and 35-year-old man. Both reportedly were in good health before getting vaccinated."

This is similar in scale to the "extremely rare" blood clots which we have become so transfixed about.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

People get stressed and are not keen on “ what ifs” I guess . Its bad enough trying to stay above water without “ it might happen “
That’s probably why you feel a bit persecuted GG .

Fair enough .
Got the same reaction when discussing the Covid placentitis, and the CVST and thrombocytopenia side effects , which all turned out to be very important and valid .
People don't want to hear about it or discuss it if it upsets them

Am not stressed about the variants .
The vaccines will eventually overcome them too.
It's what happens in the meantime that gets me .
I thought that we would be getting vaccinated and that with a booster every couple of years , all would be well.
But watching India and seeing how fast these variants are reproducing is frightening .


Everyone can pull a science article out to prove their point as there are many to support whatever side of the debate you are on, but when people you trust are saying that we are not anywhere near out of the woods yet , it is not good.
Had a private conversation with a less known ie .not on telly all the time , virologist a few days ago, about the long term situation , and I was not assured by the conversation , put it that way .
Anyway don't want to be fighting with people over it , so will leave the discussion of it for the moment .
iIt's my opinion , for what it's worth, and I am no expert .

Mother of God, am I alone in being absolutely confused as to what is going on with vacinne roll out. I've lost count and more importantly track of various announcements, changes etc today. Its just becoming too complex. I would describe myself as being reasonably intelligent but struggling to comprehend all these changes, government & dept of health seem to be almost deliberately confusing people.

hmmm wrote: »

Racaniello is a proper virologist and says the worries about variants are overblown.

There's plenty of others who would agree that while the virus is mutating, the rate of mutation is relatively small.

They don't have to be right, but there's certainly no consensus that a variant which evades vaccines is inevitable.

I never said it was inevitable .
Please don't jump in and twist my posts .
However why are Pfizer even developing boosters to counter variants if they are not worried about them ?

Goldengirl wrote: »

I never said it was inevitable

Goldengirl wrote: »

Variants of concern and the possibilit of their evading vaccinations are more than" ifs" , they are" whens", which is a fact.

PhilOssophy wrote: »

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/pfizer-vaccine-heart-inflammation-myocarditis

"There's another report of a rare, potential side effect linked to a COVID-19 vaccine. This time, it's heart inflammation, aka myocarditis, associated with the Pfizer vaccine.

Israel's Health Ministry said on Sunday that it is looking into a small number of reported cases of heart inflammation in people who received the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine.........
..........
Myocarditis was identified in 62 of the more than 5 million people in Israel who had received the Pfizer vaccine, usually after their second dose. The majority of patients are mostly men.......
Most cases happened in men under the age of 30, and two people have died, including a 22-year-old woman and 35-year-old man. Both reportedly were in good health before getting vaccinated."

This is similar in scale to the "extremely rare" blood clots which we have become so transfixed about.

They literally can’t restrict Pfizer for under 30s here because there’s no other option. Yes, Moderna is there but we barely have any of it.

Marine Layer wrote: »

AZ's actual results in the UK are much better than the U.S trials of it,circa 90%
AIUI the 72% for johnson is the public in the U.S not the trial
I'd far prefer less than 10% chance of illness than 30%
Plus the need to isolate

do you take the flu jab?

Deeper Blue wrote: »

Yes . Read it again .
the possibility of ...

Take what you are offered, otherwise take your chances with COVID. The benefits of all options vastly outweigh the minuscule risks. A la carte vaccine options will lead to a breakdown in the rollout and cost lives. The earlier paralysis by over analysis by experts in NIAC, while reflecting a fear to make a decision for fear of criticism could cost lives.

Lovely atmosphere here tonight :pac: