Is Waterford served well by it's politicians at the moment?

Jamie2k9 · 21-04-2021 1:01pm

Deleted User wrote: »

cullinane will likely bring in a 2nd sf td for waterford....assuming they select a high enough profile canditadate in west waterford (sioban whelean maybe?)

He always struck me as straight talking and deosnt get bogged down in trivial back-and-forth nonsense??

(Felt his apology for the up the ra comment was well taught out and owned it fairly honestly)

McGuinness would be my guess.

Crusty Blaa · 21-04-2021 11:18pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

McGuinness would be my guess.

Think that is a certainty and the two of them will coast in in my opinion.

Be interesting to see the FG & FF tactics next election. Will Butler run again? Mulligan proved he isn't strong enough and has too much baggage so who's next - Adam Wyse or Eamonn Quinlan? Will FG only run Cummins or will Coffey make a comeback if Leo is miraculously axed by then? Geoghegan seems to be content with local politics so don't think we'll see him on a ticket again.

The pool is pretty shallow unfortunately.

hardybuck · 21-04-2021 11:21pm

Crusty Blaa wrote: »

Think that is a certainty and the two of them will coast in in my opinion.

Be interesting to see the FG & FF tactics next election. Will Butler run again? Mulligan proved he isn't strong enough and has too much baggage so who's next - Adam Wyse or Eamonn Quinlan? Will FG only run Cummins or will Coffey make a comeback if Leo is miraculously axed by then? Geoghegan seems to be content with local politics so don't think we'll see him on a ticket again.

The pool is pretty shallow unfortunately.

3-4 years is a long time in politics.

Yellow_Fern · 21-04-2021 11:24pm

hardybuck wrote: »

Re Cullinane - yeah I'd say he has a job for life now. A slight aside, while I think he's the most experienced and of the Waterford TDs, I'm never fully sure whether he and his colleagues are more committed to 'the cause' or their constituencies. I suspect the former, but he'll never admit that obviously.

Re Councillors - I would take a decent bit of interest in who they are and how they're doing. They, with the Council, set the direction about where the town is going. They're also the people who get local issues sorted out quite often.

If SF get into office they will go through the same wax and later wane phase of all parties.

Crusty Blaa · 21-04-2021 11:28pm

hardybuck wrote: »

3-4 years is a long time in politics.

Sure is. Apparently Alan Kelly & Labour have identified Waterford as a strong chance for a seat come the next election so it'll be interesting to see what they come out with. You just never know what way the lay of the land will lie.

hardybuck · 21-04-2021 11:29pm

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

If SF get into office they will go through the same growth and later contraction phase of all parties.

I don't think it'll happen in the next ten years anyway. I think they know themselves they're better off in opposition. They only ever have 5-6 TDs out in the media, the rest are hidden away as they're liabilities who can't be trusted.

While I think Mary Lou sees herself as the first female Taoiseach, I personally think it'll be Helen McEntee.

Wanderer78 · 22-04-2021 7:05am

Yellow_Fern wrote:

If SF get into office they will go through the same wax and later wane phase of all parties.

Of course they will, but its looking likely they'll be in on the next one, possibly along side ff

hardybuck wrote:

I don't think it'll happen in the next ten years anyway. I think they know themselves they're better off in opposition. They only ever have 5-6 TDs out in the media, the rest are hidden away as they're liabilities who can't be trusted.

Oh I think it will, ffg are completely dropping the ball in regards younger generations, and are currently defaulting to the norm

Flow Motion · 22-04-2021 10:51am

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

I look forward to voting out Cullinane. He wouldn't be at the intellectual level you need for a front bench minister.

And I am sure you would do better from behind the couch? Would you rather some crusty auld fella who only got the seat cos his Daddy and Grand daddy had been warming it for him for generations?? Anytime Ive see Cullinane on TV he has more than held his own.
You may be voting him out Bud but 10'000's of other will be returning him as one of our TD's next GE as more than likely he will be a Minister. SF are gonna romp home next time out after the FF-FG Covid fiasco. We have a frustrated, angry, depressed, unemployed youth population who will have to historic FF-FG allegiance. WTF would you want to return the current coalition?

Wanderer78 · 22-04-2021 10:57am

Flow Motion wrote: »

And I am sure you would do better from behind the couch? Would you rather some crusty auld fella who only got the seat cos his Daddy and Grand daddy had been warming it for him for generations?? Anytime Ive see Cullinane on TV he has more than held his own.
You may be voting him out Bud but 10'000's of other will be returning him as one of our TD's next GE as more than likely he will be a Minister. SF are gonna romp home next time out after the FF-FG Covid fiasco. We have a frustrated, angry, depressed, unemployed youth population who will have to historic FF-FG allegiance. WTF would you want to return the current coalition?

our housing situation will more than likely sink ffg

hardybuck · 22-04-2021 11:24am

Flow Motion wrote: »

And I am sure you would do better from behind the couch? Would you rather some crusty auld fella who only got the seat cos his Daddy and Grand daddy had been warming it for him for generations?? Anytime Ive see Cullinane on TV he has more than held his own.
You may be voting him out Bud but 10'000's of other will be returning him as one of our TD's next GE as more than likely he will be a Minister. SF are gonna romp home next time out after the FF-FG Covid fiasco. We have a frustrated, angry, depressed, unemployed youth population who will have to historic FF-FG allegiance. WTF would you want to return the current coalition?

If SF romp home in 3-4 years time I think it'll set them back 10-15 years and jeopardise their ultimate goal of unification.

When they step out from the shadows they need more distance between them and the past. They need some of people who were involved in the troubles and different types of skulduggery to move on and another generation to come along.

Right now they'd have enough competent candidates to be a junior coalition partner, as their squad depth is very thin. They've been forced to rely on a number of candidates with fairly dubious backgrounds, who've had recent run-ins with the guards over social order issues, anti-vaxxers - that sort of thing. You'll notice (or perhaps not) that they're not really out on the airwaves much.

I think we'll reflect on this period and thank our lucky stars we had an experienced team at the wheel during COVID. While there's always room for improvement, the approach taken here has kept more people alive than our neighbours in the North, the rest of the UK, France, USA et al.

Wanderer78 · 22-04-2021 11:33am

hardybuck wrote: »

If SF romp home in 3-4 years time I think it'll set them back 10-15 years and jeopardise their ultimate goal of unification.

When they step out from the shadows they need more distance between them and the past. They need some of people who were involved in the troubles and different types of skulduggery to move on and another generation to come along.

Right now they'd have enough competent candidates to be a junior coalition partner, as their squad depth is very thin. They've been forced to rely on a number of candidates with fairly dubious backgrounds, who've had recent run-ins with the guards over social order issues, anti-vaxxers - that sort of thing. You'll notice (or perhaps not) that they're not really out on the airwaves much.

I think we'll reflect on this period and thank our lucky stars we had an experienced team at the wheel during COVID. While there's always room for improvement, the approach taken here has kept more people alive than our neighbours in the North, the rest of the UK, France, USA et al.

i wouldnt get too caught up in that, we ve no clue how others would preform under such conditions, better or worse, we ve no clue, all governments would struggle under such circumstances, but you can see ffg defaulting post covid, and that wont work, i think theyre sunk, but i do completely agree with the rest, sf have a lot of growing up to do, but i dont think younger voters truly care about that, theyre just extremely angry now, and rightfully so, so theyll vote accordingly

hardybuck · 22-04-2021 11:43am

Well we know how ours got on - less people died here than in those countries I mentioned. Had we not had a land border with the North I think we'd have done even better.

Bringing this back to local issues, I think the next 12-24 months will tell you a lot more about how they're doing. I'd nearly write off the last year because they couldn't do a huge amount.

Minister of State for Mental Health and Older People - Mary Butler - what a portfolio to get as Covid took hold. She's got her work cut out - amazing how invisible she has been over the last year.

Wanderer78 · 22-04-2021 11:45am

hardybuck wrote: »

Well we know how ours got on - less people died here than in those countries I mentioned. Had we not had a land border with the North I think we'd have done even better.

Bringing this back to local issues, I think the next 12-24 months will tell you a lot more about how they're doing. I'd nearly write off the last year because they couldn't do a huge amount.

Minister of State for Mental Health and Older People - Mary Butler - what a portfolio to get as Covid took hold. She's got her work cut out - amazing how invisible she has been over the last year.

oh shes screwed, she doesnt have a clue of her portfolio, its actually disturbing how invisible shes been, very disturbing

Yellow_Fern · 22-04-2021 11:57am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

oh shes screwed, she doesnt have a clue of her portfolio, its actually disturbing how invisible shes been, very disturbing

The opposition has to be visible to get things done. The gov doesnt. Tweeting and doing interviews doesnt get legislation written

hardybuck · 22-04-2021 12:01pm

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

The opposition has to be visible to get things done. The gov doesnt. Tweeting and doing interviews doesnt get legislation written

Agreed, but how much legislation have her officials written for her?

I know she's doing public consultation on the Mental Health Act, but Older People and Mental Health are probably the two areas that suffered most during the last year or so, and I'd say if you even surveyed people in Waterford they wouldn't have a clue what her role is.

Flow Motion · 22-04-2021 12:41pm

hardybuck wrote: »

Minister of State for Mental Health and Older People - Mary Butler - what a portfolio to get as Covid took hold. She's got her work cut out - amazing how invisible she has been over the last year.

She has taken the concept of "ghosting" to an altogether new level this past year!

Sadly the majority of our deaths have been older people and one of the most crippling consequences of the enduring lockdown has been the erosion of the mental health of a nation. Maybe if she spent less time tweeting & re-tweeting stuff she might get some work done. Politics seems to be one big self promotion roadshow these days "I did this.. I did that etc etc". Its just one dirty game for sneaky bare faced liars that like to line their pockets and get a large pension whilst the ordinary Joe Soap bows his/her head in deference.

Has Cheesy Senator Cummins raised his head above the parapet since unreservedly apologising for Golfgate? Another fella that loves the facebook-instagram-twitter rollercoaster of fame BTW

22-04-2021 1:23pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

our housing situation will more than likely sink ffg

Absolutely.

22-04-2021 1:34pm

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

The opposition has to be visible to get things done. The gov doesnt. Tweeting and doing interviews doesnt get legislation written

The government have made an utter balls of everything they've gone at during the pandemic (PUP aside),they done level best to make a balls of the hotel quarantine,only for it worked inspite of em and caught a good few cases,they would never extended it

30 odd minister/junior ministers and fcuk knows how many advisors and they stumble from one shamble to the next,only for ecb propping em up with cheap money,this would be a worse performing government than when biffo was in charge

Wanderer78 · 22-04-2021 2:01pm

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

The opposition has to be visible to get things done. The gov doesnt. Tweeting and doing interviews doesnt get legislation written

oh trust me, from a person that has spent a lifetime dealing with mental health issues, and the last few years interacting with the 'services', she hasnt done much of anything, in fact, many 'services' have in fact declined significantly in the last year

SeanieW1977 · 25-04-2021 7:32pm

I see John Cummins made a complete Jack ass of himself again.

Giving it big ones about SF data base & his own party is at bad.

In his defense I doubt he came across this issue, likely doing his party bidding for letting him slip back in after golf gate.

I wonder will Damien Tiernan even bring it up tomorrow? Doubt it somehow.

God we have some collection of them down here!

Aquos76 · 25-04-2021 8:19pm

SeanieW1977 wrote: »

I see John Cummins made a complete Jack ass of himself again.

Giving it big ones about SF data base & his own party is at bad.

In his defense I doubt he came across this issue, likely doing his party bidding for letting him slip back in after golf gate.

I wonder will Damien Tiernan even bring it up tomorrow? Doubt it somehow.

God we have some collection of them down here!

DT has put in a request for him to appear on the show tomorrow is my understanding

Wanderer78 · 26-04-2021 6:34am

SeanieW1977 wrote:

I see John Cummins made a complete Jack ass of himself again.

Ah shur what do you expect, he's not the sharpest

SeanieW1977 · 26-04-2021 9:23am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Ah shur what do you expect, he's not the sharpest

He would let you believe otherwise

Wanderer78 · 26-04-2021 9:28am

SeanieW1977 wrote: »

He would let you believe otherwise

i cant imagine many truly believe him though, i certainly hope not

friendlyfun · 26-04-2021 10:24am

Cummins put his foot in his mouth again. Why am I not surprised

hardybuck · 26-04-2021 11:54am

I don't believe that he has.

Sinn Fein are clearly annoyed and maybe a bit threatened by this, as they've sent out Eoin O Broin, their housing spokesperson, to defend their use of their database.

I'm very keen to see how SF are using the data, and what'd it'd say about me and my family. I'm also curious as to why the data was stored in London initially, and then to Germany after Brexit. Seems strange that it wasn't managed and stored in Ireland but perhaps there's a reasonable explanation for that.

Asdfgh2020 · 26-04-2021 11:50pm

hardybuck wrote: »

I don't believe that he has.

Sinn Fein are clearly annoyed and maybe a bit threatened by this, as they've sent out Eoin O Broin, their housing spokesperson, to defend their use of their database.

I'm very keen to see how SF are using the data, and what'd it'd say about me and my family. I'm also curious as to why the data was stored in London initially, and then to Germany after Brexit. Seems strange that it wasn't managed and stored in Ireland but perhaps there's a reasonable explanation for that.

I’ve no clue from reading the last few post what ‘Senator Cummins’ has supposedly done/said etc can someone elaborate please...?

Jamie2k9 · 27-04-2021 12:06am

Asdfgh2020 wrote: »

I’ve no clue from reading the last few post what ‘Senator Cummins’ has supposedly done/said etc can someone elaborate please...?

SF tried to make a big deal out of this website by claiming it was hosted outside the EU and collects data because it has no cookies enabled.

https://www.johncumminswaterford.ie/?fbclid=IwAR1dG-Qx1sL53LNWcQDQf8O1UWnX0CbL9NfpQeCe6RmpS2WKBqp3pbIvVU8

If you click the contact page there is a check box and John said this info was not referenced in the post.

The website was created by Wix but apparently hosted by a Waterford company )according to John).

This was the post on FB by David:

After spending weeks attacking a secure and legitimate internal Sinn Féin database Fine Gael Senator Cummins has a website which apparently is hosted outside the EU by Wix, has no cookies notification or management, has a contact form where name, phone, email and comments are sent outside the EU & no privacy policy. I look forward to getting clarity from John on these matters and of course a full examination by the Data Commissioner.

No idea who is right or wrong but I do think SF have been caught out with there database and most of there TDs had a different excuse everyday last week.

jmcc · 27-04-2021 3:55am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

SF tried to make a big deal out of this website by claiming it was hosted outside the EU and collects data because it has no cookies enabled.

https://www.johncumminswaterford.ie/?fbclid=IwAR1dG-Qx1sL53LNWcQDQf8O1UWnX0CbL9NfpQeCe6RmpS2WKBqp3pbIvVU8

If you click the contact page there is a check box and John said this info was not referenced in the post.

The website was created by Wix but apparently hosted by a Waterford company )according to John).

This is the lookup for his site:

www.johncumminswaterford.ie is an alias for www20.wixdns.net.
www20.wixdns.net is an alias for balancer.wixdns.net.
balancer.wixdns.net is an alias for a9b21bea-balancer.wixdns.net.
a9b21bea-balancer.wixdns.net is an alias for td-balancer-db4-63-161.wixdns.net.
td-balancer-db4-63-161.wixdns.net has address 185.230.63.161

This is from the whois for the IP address range of the site:
inetnum: 185.230.63.0 - 185.230.63.255
netname: wix_com_inc
country: US

These are the IP addresses returned for the johncumminswaterford.ie site:

johncumminswaterford.ie has address 185.230.63.107
johncumminswaterford.ie has address 185.230.63.186
johncumminswaterford.ie has address 185.230.63.171

As can be seen, the IP addresses are all between the 185.230.63.0 and 185.230.63.255 limits.

While it may have been developed by a Waterford company, it is not hosted in Waterford.

It may initially have been hosted in Ireland. However, it is now hosted on Wix. Perhaps he was unaware of that.

Regards...jmcc

Asdfgh2020 · 27-04-2021 7:04am

jmcc wrote: »

This is the lookup for his site:

www.johncumminswaterford.ie is an alias for www20.wixdns.net.
www20.wixdns.net is an alias for balancer.wixdns.net.
balancer.wixdns.net is an alias for a9b21bea-balancer.wixdns.net.
a9b21bea-balancer.wixdns.net is an alias for td-balancer-db4-63-161.wixdns.net.
td-balancer-db4-63-161.wixdns.net has address 185.230.63.161

This is from the whois for the IP address range of the site:
inetnum: 185.230.63.0 - 185.230.63.255
netname: wix_com_inc
country: US

These are the IP addresses returned for the johncumminswaterford.ie site:

johncumminswaterford.ie has address 185.230.63.107
johncumminswaterford.ie has address 185.230.63.186
johncumminswaterford.ie has address 185.230.63.171

As can be seen, the IP addresses are all between the 185.230.63.0 and 185.230.63.255 limits.

While it may have been developed by a Waterford company, it is not hosted in Waterford.

It may initially have been hosted in Ireland. However, it is now hosted on Wix. Perhaps he was unaware of that.

Regards...jmcc

This is absolute ‘moronic’ school yard stuff from both sides......99.9% of electorate (apart from some tecky anorak geek/nerds/dorks with an interest in GDPR) wouldn’t have a clue what this is all about.....did Damien tiernan discuss this with Cummins recently live on radio...?

jmcc · 27-04-2021 9:08am

Asdfgh2020 wrote: »

This is absolute ‘moronic’ school yard stuff from both sides......99.9% of electorate (apart from some tecky anorak geek/nerds/dorks with an interest in GDPR) wouldn’t have a clue what this is all about.....did Damien tiernan discuss this with Cummins recently live on radio...?

It started out with the typical Sindo "get SF" reporting about an electioneering database. This was a distraction from Varadkar being questioned under caution and having his mobile phone seized as part of a criminal investigation. It was just a Sindo/Indo journalist banging on about an SF campaigning document for SF canvassers and it tried to make the SF database sound all creepy. Then the whole aspect of GDPR legislation entered the equation. The Examiner found that other parties had problems as did RTE's Primetime show.

It turned out that the websites of many FF/FG representatives were in also breach of GDPR legislation. RTE's Primetime programme also found that the main FG website had a hidden Facebook tracking link that it had not disclosed and this was on its cookies consent page and therefore made any user consent invalid.

Most of the allegations about the SF database were hypothetical apart from what the Data Protection Commissioner suggested should be corrected. This hidden Facebook tracking link on FG's website was hard evidence against FG.

While SF had to deal with the Data Protection Commissioner and remedy any breaches of the legislation, other parties also had problems and the Sindo/Indo is responsible for landing them all in the crap about GDPR.

The main problem is that data was being sent outside the EU by some of the sites. This was a charge that the Sindo/Indo had leveled against SF and some particularly stupid Wikipedia "reporting" claimed that the SF database was "hosted" in Philadelphia. The HQ of the hosting company that SF used for its sfabu dot com site is in Philadelphia but the server is in Frankfurt, Germany. It also appears that FG uses the same hosting company for hosting some of its websites and they too are based in Germany.

Cummins is being used as a disposable attack dog by FG and he has to work hard after screwing up with Golfgate and not getting elected in the GE.

While this may not mean anything to 99% of the electorate, it has caused problems for political parties other than SF. Data privacy and the tracking of users is a popular topic for the media and "technology" journalists but few of them understand how pervasive it is and how it works. Much like web hosting and where websites are hosted. The intention of the Sindo/Indo stuff appeared to be to make SF look bad and it has backfired and shown the abject hypocrisy of other parties. Now the Social Democrats had to appoint a data protection officer.

Regards...jmcc

kayaksurfbum · 27-04-2021 9:43am

jmcc wrote: »

It started out with the typical Sindo "get SF" reporting about an electioneering database.

Is it not still about the database and what info they are keeping on us voters?

That's not really the same as where your website is hosted.

Are Political party's looking at this post and other social media and keeping notes on who is talking about them? And if they are where is that data kept?

Wanderer78 · 27-04-2021 9:47am

kayaksurfbum wrote: »

Is it not still about the database and what info they are keeping on us voters?

That's not really the same as where your website is hosted.

Are Political party's looking at this post and other social media and keeping notes on who is talking about them? And if they are where is that data kept?

both public and private entities in society are collecting enormous amounts of data on and by us, both using this for activities against our wishes, and our interests

jmcc · 27-04-2021 10:20am

kayaksurfbum wrote: »

Is it not still about the database and what info they are keeping on us voters?

It is cack-handed pro-FG propaganda from the Sindo/Indo and it has shown that other parties also have their GDPR/privacy issues.

That's not really the same as where your website is hosted.

With GDPR and data protection legislation where a site is hosted and if data on EU citizens is being transferred outside the EU are important legal aspects.

Are Political party's looking at this post and other social media and keeping notes on who is talking about them? And if they are where is that data kept?

Probably. There are the online equivalent of the old news clipping services. They search websites and Social Media for mentions of keywords and key phrases and then e-mail a list of these links back to their subscribers. It is even possible to set up free Google Alerts on keywords to do much the same thing.

Regards...jmcc

27-04-2021 10:48am

kayaksurfbum wrote: »

Is it not still about the database and what info they are keeping on us voters?

That's not really the same as where your website is hosted.

Are Political party's looking at this post and other social media and keeping notes on who is talking about them?And if they are where is that data kept?

Some reason to suspect the government is anyway

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40080437.html%3ftype=amp

Irish Examiner has seen hundreds of pages of analysis from the Department of Health and Department of Education on Twitter, Reddit, and message board activity on issues

Could never make out,why shinners never made hay on this issue

hardybuck · 27-04-2021 11:46am

kayaksurfbum wrote: »

Is it not still about the database and what info they are keeping on us voters?

That's not really the same as where your website is hosted.

Are Political party's looking at this post and other social media and keeping notes on who is talking about them? And if they are where is that data kept?

There has been a narrative built up about SF being a secretive organisation. some of that will naturally follow on from their history and how they're set up.

A survey of all the political parties revealed that SF are the only party who store voter information in a national database. They didn't have a data protection officer and hadn't done a data protection impact assessment. I think the Social Democrats have also moved to appoint a data protection officer since this broke.

I suppose SF will have to satisfy the Data Protection Commissioner now that everything is above board.

It ties back into the points were made recently about SF being a big machine with big resources. If you have cash to spend as a political party, this is probably one of the things you'd like to spend it on.

Edit: I see one of their former Councillors has just been charged with a high profile murder, so presumably the data story will go quiet for a bit.

kayaksurfbum · 27-04-2021 12:20pm

hardybuck wrote: »

If you have cash to spend as a political party, this is probably one of the things you'd like to spend it on.

Your spot on. They all want to do it, but only SF have the cash and muscle. But does that make it ok to take notes on us and share them to every one in the party?

I'm sure the local councillor has a note on what I said to him or her at the last Local elections, if it stops there that's ok I think but the national database is a bit over the top.

hardybuck · 27-04-2021 12:25pm

kayaksurfbum wrote: »

Your spot on. They all want to do it, but only SF have the cash and muscle. But does that make it ok to take notes on us and share them to every one in the party?

I'm sure the local councillor has a note on what I said to him or her at the last Local elections, if it stops there that's ok I think but the national database is a bit over the top.

In that scenario the Councillor should really advise you that anything you say to them would be recorded on the database, advise you on how that information will be stored, what it'll be used for etc. Crucially you'd surely have to agree to that before providing them with the information?

friendlyfun · 27-04-2021 12:38pm

Jesus ****, Sinn Fein are not looking good today

azimuth17 · 27-04-2021 12:55pm

The answer to the question posed by this thread is NO.

Harry Palmr · 27-04-2021 2:24pm

Here's the result for the Waterford constituency at the next general election

SF 2
FF 1
Ind 1

If the university is a handy benchmark for our representatives willingness to come out and bat for the Deise then we've got a collection of spineless, gutless wonders who'd be bowled out first ball every time bar Seanies favourite!

The rest of them just do Dublin's bidding.

BBM77 · 27-04-2021 2:50pm

Always thought Waterford was not served well by national government. But always voted. To be honest I cannot see myself voting again after the WIT downgrade to TUSE.

Wanderer78 · 27-04-2021 3:17pm

BBM77 wrote: »

Always thought Waterford was not served well by national government. But always voted. To be honest I cannot see myself voting again after the WIT downgrade to TUSE.

ive gone through these debates myself, but ive come to realise, if we all do this, you can say goodbye to democracy, this process has been diabolical though

hardybuck · 27-04-2021 3:17pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Here's the result for the Waterford constituency at the next general election

SF 2
FF 1
Ind 1

If the university is a handy benchmark for our representatives willingness to come out and bat for the Deise then we've got a collection of spineless, gutless wonders who'd be bowled out first ball every time bar Seanies favourite! The rest of them just do Dublin's bidding.

I'm going to put my neck out and say that the University isn't happening in the next few years anyway. If I was a TD I wouldn't be wasting my energy on that.

azimuth17 · 27-04-2021 3:24pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Here's the result for the Waterford constituency at the next general election

SF 2
FF 1
Ind 1

If the university is a handy benchmark for our representatives willingness to come out and bat for the Deise then we've got a collection of spineless, gutless wonders who'd be bowled out first ball every time bar Seanies favourite! The rest of them just do Dublin's bidding.

Absolutely on the button.

SeanieW1977 · 28-04-2021 12:51am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Here's the result for the Waterford constituency at the next general election

SF 2
FF 1
Ind 1

If the university is a handy benchmark for our representatives willingness to come out and bat for the Deise then we've got a collection of spineless, gutless wonders who'd be bowled out first ball every time bar Seanies favourite! The rest of them just do Dublin's bidding.

Iv come to the conclusion, that, wait for it, our most capable politician is Marc o c.

I fear however he will be consumed with national issues & the green agenda - as is his prerogative!

And he will be eviserated in same way Ciara Conway was.

Which is a shame, because he gets things, speaks a lot of sense & does it quite concisely.

SeanieW1977 · 28-04-2021 12:56am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Here's the result for the Waterford constituency at the next general election

SF 2
FF 1
Ind 1

If the university is a handy benchmark for our representatives willingness to come out and bat for the Deise then we've got a collection of spineless, gutless wonders who'd be bowled out first ball every time bar Seanies favourite! The rest of them just do Dublin's bidding.

Iv come to the conclusion, that, wait for it, our most capable politician is Marc o c.

I fear however he will be consumed with national issues & the green agenda - as is his prerogative!

And he will be eviserated in same way Ciara Conway was.

Wanderer78 · 28-04-2021 7:27am

SeanieW1977 wrote:

I fear however he will be consumed with national issues & the green agenda - as is his prerogative!

Yup, the greens really are dropping the ball here, they need to get more involved in the bigger picture, I appreciate their green efforts, but society needs a lot more than just a healthy environment. I believe it is possible to deal with everything together equally, it's actually critical now that politics has this objective going forward

hardybuck · 28-04-2021 10:44am

It's far too early to be speculating on the outcome of an election which will take place in probably the second half of 2024 or early 2025.

If you took any notice of opinion polls (I wouldn't pay them too much heed at this stage) FG have been the most popular party since the onset of COVID last year, and on a couple of occasions they've been as far as 12% ahead of SF in second place.

It looks like FG have occupied space in the right, and far right, that nobody wanted. This is probably to position themselves as the opposite to SF, and to give them some separation from FF - who really look to be a bit lost in the middle these days.

SF on the other hand look to be bossing the left, and will dominate that space for the foreseeable. It's amusing to see Mary Lou refer to herself as leader of the opposition, as that's not a term we have in Ireland - it's a feature of the political establishment in Westminster, which her party abstains from sending MPs to.

I was waiting for someone to mention O'Cathasaigh. I don't think many people in this forum would have expected him to get in at the last election. I don't think many people in Waterford thought Grace O'Sullivan would be elected as an MEP either.

There will be European Elections in May 2024 - probably just before we have a general election. I wouldn't underestimate the impact of the momentum that could build behind Grace, and the support from the people of Tramore, who may row in behind Marc again when the GE comes along.

Wanderer78 · 28-04-2021 11:42am

hardybuck wrote:

I was waiting for someone to mention O'Cathasaigh. I don't think many people in this forum would have expected him to get in at the last election. I don't think many people in Waterford thought Grace O'Sullivan would be elected as an MEP either.

Its important to realise how powerful the youth vote is becoming, green movements are becoming the norm, such is its seriousness, there's an open goal there for the political greens, but ours seem to be so fixated on their our goal, they're completely missing it. Younger voters are in desperate need for nearly all of their essential future needs now , and our educational and training systems are woefully prepared for their future, how much of a bigger goal do you need!

I still think housing will sink ffg, and I suspect ff will pony up with sf, for the good of the country of course(to save themselves)!

Is Waterford served well by it's politicians at the moment?

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