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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so



    Well, they really have to, only 132K J&J next month.


  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Can someone please answer me if we are still in Level 5 (with the zoos and golf open)???

    I am on a contract that will not open and that I cannot return to during Level 5. So what the fcuk level are we in now as my job is still on hold? Are we maintaining Level 5 all Summer with a few tweaks here and there? What is the plan?

    They know that a lot of office return plans are tied to the levels, especially MNCs for which the decision is probably at head office outside of the country . So the longer that they can stay at level4 / 5 with tweaks the better


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Well, they really have to, only 132K J&J next month.

    but what about the abundance of caution :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    but what about the abundance of caution :eek:
    Depends on the day of the week!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    We're just virtue signaling. Everyone printing money these days anyway...
    I'd be more concerned about the mismanagement of our own finances here, hemorrhaging money while creating a welfare state through PUP and business closures.

    Deaths in India per million are actually far lower than in Ireland, despite the fact that they are #2 in the world for Diabetes - that's 70 million people with diabetes.
    Their biggest issues are poverty, caste system, and poor hospitals.
    For poor people there the services are dire or non-existent.
    Pre-covid this was the case also. I literally saw 2 patients per hospital bed when I was there, and filthy conditions. On the flipside, you also have some of the wealthiest people in the world and super high-tech hospitals over there.

    It's surprising that India has had such low fatalities from covid given these various problems they have.

    That assumed the numbers are accurate, and there are pretty big question marks. India is only seeing the equivalent of about 130 deaths per day in a country the size of UK. It just doesn't add up with the reports on the ground from locals, hospitals and funeral services. Delhi currently has considerably more covid patients in icu per capita than Belgium new York or Bergamo did during their peaks, with allegedly a fraction of the deaths those places saw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Deaths in India per million are actually far lower than in Ireland

    Those figures are completely incorrect. Stories of doctors being forced to say deaths aren't covid etc all over the Internet. There is a massive cover up going on in India, they are getting twitter posts removed from people trying to tell the world what is going on over there.

    We really need to make them get there house in order, as any aid is useless if the government refuses to take simple measures to mitigate the disaster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭kleiner feigling


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    That assumed the numbers are accurate, and there are pretty big question marks. India is only seeing the equivalent of about 130 deaths per day in a country the size of UK. It just doesn't add up with the reports on the ground from locals, hospitals and funeral services. Delhi currently has considerably more covid patients in icu per capita than Belgium new York or Bergamo did during their peaks, with allegedly a fraction of the deaths those places saw

    I do agree with you there, which is why I deliberately disregarded the cases numbers there.
    Deaths are a little more concrete, but again, their reporting may be weak.
    That said, even if the death toll were 10x the given figures, the situation there is comparable with many other countries.
    The big difference is the poverty, endemic diabetes (a comorbidity of covid), and poor access to hospitals and medical supplies in India.
    If deaths do climb significantly, those will be the key contributors.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    I do agree with you there, which is why I deliberately disregarded the cases numbers there.
    Deaths are a little more concrete, but again, their reporting may be weak.
    That said, even if the death toll were 10x the given figures, the situation there is comparable with many other countries.
    The big difference is the poverty, endemic diabetes (a comorbidity of covid), and poor access to hospitals and medical supplies in India.
    If deaths do climb significantly, those will be the key contributors.

    The images and videos we are seeing are from the places, that have hospital access. We are seeing middle and upper middle class people dieing. I can imagine its far, far worse in rural area's that have even less access to hospitals, then places like Dehli, and yet the Indian government is allowing pilgrimages to rural area's (the specific link I posted is even worse, as Kashmir is disputed between Pakistan, India and China, so if we see a lot of deaths, or masses of refugees pouring across borders, the Indians could trigger a war). Complete insanity, even Saudi Arabia is only allowing pilgrims who are vaccinated to go to Mecca, but in India they are just letting it rip.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,535 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    wes wrote: »
    The images and videos we are seeing are from the places, that have hospital access. We are seeing middle and upper middle class people dieing. I can imagine its far, far worse in rural area's that have even less access to hospitals, then places like Dehli, and yet the Indian government is allowing pilgrimages to rural area's (the specific link I posted is even worse, as Kashmir is disputed between Pakistan, India and China, so if we see a lot of deaths, or masses of refugees pouring across borders, the Indians could trigger a war). Complete insanity, even Saudi Arabia is only allowing pilgrims who are vaccinated to go to Mecca, but in India they are just letting it rip.

    But if we relax a few restrictions we'll end up exactly like India because every aspect of Ireland is identical I hear.
    #HOLDFIRM


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,853 ✭✭✭Nermal


    LOL @ the pampered brains trust on this thread, wondering why India doesn't just pay one and a half billion people €350 a week to #stayathome.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭kleiner feigling


    batman_oh wrote: »
    But if we relax a few restrictions we'll end up exactly like India because every aspect of Ireland is identical I hear.
    #HOLDFIRM

    Yeah, I do think we need to regain some perspective on it.
    It's really heartening to see the ICU and hospitalization figures dropping, and with more outdoor socializing/activities I think public morale and health will improve as a result.
    Looking at the media you'd think the zombie apocalypse was on our doorstep.

    Proportionality and reason are as important as caution now.
    Hope to see businesses getting a chance to recover after this horrific year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    I just think its absolutely farcical that Holohan can drop in out of his role during a pandemic. All my sympathies are with him over the loss of his wife, but there needs to be consistency in the leadership. He's back and its all negative again after plenty of positivity from Glynn. George Lee is doing cartwheels


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    rob316 wrote: »
    I just think its absolutely farcical that Holohan can drop in out of his role during a pandemic. All my sympathies are with him over the loss of his wife, but there needs to be consistency in the leadership. He's back and its all negative again after plenty of positivity from Glynn. George Lee is doing cartwheels

    I don't have any particular opinion on whether Holohan or Glynn is better at their specific jobs (except the Cervical scandal), we only get to see them in press conferences etc, but I will say Glynn was a way better, articulate speaker and while saying what needed to be said negatively, he put across the positivity much better. That is almost as important on a day to day basis, after a year of this, as actual progress.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Corholio wrote: »
    I don't have any particular opinion on whether Holohan or Glynn is better at their specific jobs (except the Cervical scandal), we only get to see them in press conferences etc, but I will Glynn was a way better, articulate speaker and while saying what needed to be said negatively, he put across the positivity much better. That is almost as important on a day to day basis, after a year of this, as actual progress.

    The government are absent so the CMO is the public face of this, the population are looking to him for hope and keeping spirits up. Holohan is beyond cautious and more pessimistic. Minute one he came back, its back to words like "concern" and the headlines to go with it.


  • Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0427/1212375-joe-walsh-tours/


    Joe Walsh Tours has collapsed, all jobs gone, with immediate effect. Well done Ireland.
    Aer Lingus to announce job losses this Winter in the number of approx 900.

    We are going back into the dark ages in terms of travel and connectivity. Shameful.


  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0427/1212375-joe-walsh-tours/


    Joe Walsh Tours has collapsed, all jobs gone, with immediate effect. Well done Ireland.
    Aer Lingus to announce job losses this Winter in the number of approx 900.

    We are going back into the dark ages in terms of travel and connectivity. Shameful.

    And someone will be along any minute now claiming air travel was dying before Covid anyways .


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭Champagne Sally


    Just wondered posters thoughts on this. My sisters company have been WFH since March 2020 and will continue with this policy until it's safe to go back to the office. Great. But, the manager recently has organised an outdoor team building event in early May with 12 employees, albeit, outdoors with food delivered etc etc.

    Now we were wondering if the manager is not opening himself up for litigation if anyone of the employee's gets sick from this event. Like we know and understand it's probably very safe but there is that niggling doubt that this is against current restriction rules and as it's a Government Organisation it might be a rather fool hardy decision.

    Are we over thinking it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,654 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Stheno wrote: »

    Tanaiste not Taoiseach in that 2nd tweet


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,290 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Stheno wrote: »

    Thats Varadkar! Good to see penny finally drop. Hopefully councils get public toilets, benches, pedstrianisation, outdoor areas etc sorted asap


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,062 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Thats Varadkar! Good to see penny finally drop. Hopefully councils get public toilets, benches, pedstrianisation, outdoor areas etc sorted asap

    Or that they open up outdoor hospitality then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,617 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    batman_oh wrote: »
    But if we relax a few restrictions we'll end up exactly like India because every aspect of Ireland is identical I hear.
    #HOLDFIRM

    I don't think that is the case but does show what can happen if restrictions are lifted here to early...we saw what happened after Christmas


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,520 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Stheno wrote: »

    Think he was eaten by a Lion at the zoo yesterday


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Relevant comparisons to our current situation: Christmas, India, Brazil, any country doing badly.

    Irrelevant comparisons to our current situation: Last summer, UK, US, Israel, any country doing well.

    This message was brought to you by the hysteric's guide to covid discussion.

    Meh both comparisons can be valid just depends on the mode of comparison chosen. If that's not's reasonable and proportionate then it's a pointless comparison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,290 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    titan18 wrote: »
    Or that they open up outdoor hospitality then.

    That will happen in time anyway but dont see it happening before end of next month say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,062 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Eod100 wrote: »
    That will happen in time anyway but dont see it happening before end of next month say.

    True but maybe Leo should shut up if he's not going to back up what he's saying. If it's safe to drink in a field with others, it's safe to drink outside a bar or restaurant with others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Just wondered posters thoughts on this. My sisters company have been WFH since March 2020 and will continue with this policy until it's safe to go back to the office. Great. But, the manager recently has organised an outdoor team building event in early May with 12 employees, albeit, outdoors with food delivered etc etc.

    Now we were wondering if the manager is not opening himself up for litigation if anyone of the employee's gets sick from this event. Like we know and understand it's probably very safe but there is that niggling doubt that this is against current restriction rules and as it's a Government Organisation it might be a rather fool hardy decision.

    Are we over thinking it?


    I'd say it'll be fine... have some been vaccinated already and all that.


    But as its a Government Organisation, its very bad optics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,469 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    395 positive swabs, 2.59% positivity on 15,273 tests.
    7 day test positivity is 2.8%.


    Last Tuesday

    399 positive swabs, 2.65% positivity on 15,051 tests


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Both can be valid, but "remember Christmas" and "look at India" are both being used as a kind of trump card without any consideration whatsoever of the context. It's the flip side of the "Sweden didn't lockdown and they're grand" stuff that was being thrown about last year and should be treated with the same disdain.

    Largely agree to a point. I do actually think the best comparisons to make are one's within Ireland themselves. Be that last summer, Christmas or any other time period and location. What's changed in the profile of disease, vaccination, social contacts etc? Once you go outside Ireland you have to start adjusting for so many other factors before you can be confident you're comparing like with like. Not that we should just limit ourselves to Ireland. Just that we have to be more careful and prudent when using foreign comparisons.


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