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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #8432
    Normal One
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭Normal One


    Re: people gathering outdoors enjoying sunshine.

    Still waiting for the anti-lockdown, BLM, students, etc mega superspreader surge....

    There is no excuse for littering but that's not new.


  • #8433
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,030 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Its almost as if lockdowns cause other problems that should really be taken into account when assessing their suitability.

    Who could have imagined that.


  • #8434
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Scumbags are going to be scumbags. A full thread of the mess assholes left behind them. And don't give me the nonsense that the bins were full/not enough of them and so on.

    https://twitter.com/GeogheganCllr/status/1386254605017878531

    The council should be providing more bins.


  • #8435
    opinionated3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Ktek wrote: »
    I'm seeing quite a lot of obvious suicides in the local press

    My son said he has 5 acquaintances in the past year dead from suicide.

    I'm not at all suicidal, but I will be honest and say that my head is not in a good place right now. Every day seems like a chore right now, constantly searching for positives or things to look forward to. I'm sure there are plenty more like me.
    Let's hope this comes to an end sooner rather than later.


  • #8436
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,398 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    AdamD wrote: »
    The council should be providing more bins.

    Yes, maybe they should, but it's a bull**** excuse for dumping your rubbish in the streets.

    It absolutely no excuse, none whatsoever.


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  • #8437
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,469 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Scumbags are going to be scumbags. A full thread of the mess assholes left behind them. And don't give me the nonsense that the bins were full/not enough of them and so on.

    https://twitter.com/GeogheganCllr/status/1386254605017878531

    Except the pictures quite clearly show there weren't / aren't enough bins. The ones that are there are full.

    Yes people should bring empties home(personally I make sure to recycle mine and not just put them into general waste) but it's quite clear there's a lack of public bins. It was an issue before covid as well


  • #8438
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,062 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    AdamD wrote: »
    The council should be providing more bins.

    Sure, but then you get people abusing that by dumping their household rubbish in it. If people take the piss with then, the council won't provide it.

    No reason people can't take their litter home with them too. If you're going out with a bag of cans, you can return with that bag of cans.


  • #8439
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Yes, maybe they should, but it's a bull**** excuse for dumping your rubbish in the streets.

    It absolutely no excuse, none whatsoever.

    There are no maybes here, we have a councillor tweeting pictures of full bins. Maybe he should do his job and provide adequate amount of bins for the public? The irony of his tweet seems to be lost on him


    The lack of bins and public toilets in Dublin is a far bigger scandal than littering.


  • #8440
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    To be honest I was down at Blackrock Village in Cork yesterday afternoon. The bins were full and overflowing. There was litter everywhere.

    If it was 7 or 8am I wouldn't mind, but this was after 2pm and the bins were just there from the night before, overflowing and smelling horrible, baking in the sun. It was after 3 when a council worker eventually came along to empty the bins.

    This *doesn't* give the excuse to litter, but it's clear that the bins are being used by the majority and are solely needed.


  • #8441
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,461 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    This is a consequence of having nowhere else to go .If they opened beer gardens , opened outdoor dining , allowed people in your garden etc it would spread people out and they would not have the need to gather on canal banks

    Not sure I get that logic.

    People are not social distancing because they don't want to. Not because of the location/venue. There is plenty of room on a canal or river bank to social distance if you wanted to.


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  • #8442
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,398 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Except the pictures quite clearly show there weren't / aren't enough bins. The ones that are there are full.

    Yes people should bring empties home(personally I make sure to recycle mine and not just put them into general waste) but it's quite clear there's a lack of public bins. It was an issue before covid as well
    AdamD wrote: »
    There are no maybes here, we have a councillor tweeting pictures of full bins. Maybe he should do his job and provide adequate amount of bins for the public? The irony of his tweet seems to be lost on him


    There's enough bins for regular usage, people should not expect to have refuse collection provided to them for when they're out drinking on the streets.

    If they could get their **** there, they could get their **** home again, it's not like they were going to pubs and clubs after their pre-drinks.

    There is no excuse, at any time, for dumping your **** on the streets and complaining it's because the council didn't provide you with bins.
    AdamD wrote: »
    The lack of bins and public toilets in Dublin is a far bigger scandal than littering

    Did you ever read such nonsense?


  • #8443
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,062 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    AdamD wrote: »
    There are no maybes here, we have a councillor tweeting pictures of full bins. Maybe he should do his job and provide adequate amount of bins for the public? The irony of his tweet seems to be lost on him


    The lack of bins and public toilets in Dublin is a far bigger scandal than littering.

    What's your solution for when people dump their household rubbish on them, or the toilets get destroyed by drug addicts and scumbags though. If people are going to abuse the facilities, we end up with no facilities.


  • #8444
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,461 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    titan18 wrote: »
    ...
    No reason people can't take their litter home with them too. If you're going out with a bag of cans, you can return with that bag of cans.

    Exactly this. The lack of bins is not a reasonable excuse to litter.


  • #8445
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    titan18 wrote: »
    What's your solution for when people dump their household rubbish on them, or the toilets get destroyed by drug addicts and scumbags though. If people are going to abuse the facilities, we end up with no facilities.

    Its nice that local government have managed to convince you that they shouldn't provide any services on the off-chance people actually use them.

    Just like Dublin bikes will never work, they'll get destroyed by scumbags, right?


  • #8446
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Not for this thread but I think there's an argument to go the other way. Get rid of public bins altogether. Encourage people to take home their own waste. Incentivises less waste and thoughtful consumption by everyone all round. Hefty fines for those caught not complying.

    Worth a pilot scheme imo.

    (Public toilets definitely need more coverage and access.)


  • #8447
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,785 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Not for this thread but I think there's an argument to go the other way. Get rid of public bins altogether. Encourage people to take home their own waste. Incentivises less waste and thoughtful consumption by everyone all round. Hefty fines for those caught not complying.

    Worth a pilot scheme imo.

    (Public toilets definitely need more coverage and access.)

    already hefty fines for littering

    zero enforcement.

    waste of time


  • #8448
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,398 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    AdamD wrote: »
    Its nice that local government have managed to convince you that they shouldn't provide any services on the off-chance people actually use them.

    I've studied, worked and socialised in Dublin City since the early 90s and I have never been once left wanting for a public bin and said that if I can't find one I'll dump it on the street anyway, sure it's the councils fault.

    It's a pathetic argument and excuse. It's another reflection of the idiots in society with no sense of responsibility or self awareness, they always whinge it's someone else fault.


  • #8449
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,062 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    AdamD wrote: »
    Its nice that local government have managed to convince you that they shouldn't provide any services on the off-chance people actually use them.

    Just like Dublin bikes will never work, they'll get destroyed by scumbags, right?

    It wasn't that long ago where there was public toilets in the cities tbf. We all know why they were removed. Place I was complaining about (the Lough in Cork) had public toilets and it became a no go area to walk past them in the dark.

    I see zero reason why that wouldn't still be an issue now.


  • #8450
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hurrache wrote: »
    I've studied, worked and socialised in Dublin City since the early 90s and I have never been once left wanting for a public bin and said that if I can't find one I'll dump it on the street anyway, sure it's the councils fault.

    It's a pathetic argument and excuse. It's another reflection of the idiots in society with no sense of responsibility or self awareness, they always whinge it's someone else fault.

    Neither have I. But you can sit here giving out about littering with your head in the sand, or you can provide an actual solution - bins.

    Would you rather the moral high ground or cleaner streets?


  • #8451
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,398 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    AdamD wrote: »
    Neither have I. But you can sit here giving out about littering with your head in the sand, or you can provide an actual solution - bins.

    Would you rather the moral high ground or cleaner streets?

    The solution is bring your rubbish home with you if there's nowhere to dispose of it, not dump it in the street. It's that simple.

    Do you want bins provided atop of every mountain, forest and commons because you find it understandable, and excusable, that people dump their rubbish otherwise?

    It's pathetic you're trying to argue and excuse littering.


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  • #8452
    Normal One
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭Normal One


    It's unfair to blame councils imo. These gatherings are impromptu events, they aren't planned like a festival where these things would be catered for. If you bring a bag of cans to a park then you can easily take the empties with you later, with the added bonus that they weigh a lot less! The toilet situation is a bit stickier. Public toilets and lack thereof have always been a problem in this country


  • #8453
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    But you were talking about antigen testing not antibody testing. Your concerns were with PCRs false positive rate and said that we should be using antigen testing to validate it. That study shows that both PCR and antigen testing have the same false positive rate. It also shows that antigen tests have a much higher false negative rate so I'm not sure how you could use it to validate the PCR tests.

    Antigen tests only have a higher false negative rate when they use a PCR to 'validate' it.
    The fact is that Antigen pick up active and infectious virus whereas PCR pick up inactive and deceased virus particles as well as live ones.

    So maybe we are going about it the wrong way (PCR as Gold standard, everything else to be measured against it.).

    In any case using Antigen testing could be more successful at picking up cases given that you get quick results and can repeat the tests frequently at a lesser cost and time delay than a single PCR taken infrequently.

    Our authorities don't want to use them because they are primarily a tol to enable reopening of things and they want everything to remain closed.


  • #8454
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Given immediate family usually means parents, spouse, siblings and children, is that not more restrictive, for most families at least? And what about where there is an partner of the deceased but they never married?

    For many families children, Grandchildren and any living siblings amounts to more than 10 people.


  • #8455
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    In terms of the cost, the easiest solution is probably to just have a midi skip at every entrance to a park and signs up asking people to use them. Have a skip company on a retainer dropping an empty skip every day from now till the end of August. Same at Portobello and other very public meeting spots; someone in DCC whose job it is to watch the weather and ensure a skip is dropped at the site at the start of the day.

    Not sure fly-tipping would be a massive issue if they were swapped out daily and you had wardens keeping an eye.

    Expanding bin capacity for a temporary issue or cracking down with fines don't seem like proper solutions, IMHO. You'd think people would bring their rubbish home, but you're pissing in the wind begging people to do it.


  • #8456
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Antigen tests only have a higher false negative rate when they use a PCR to 'validate' it.
    The fact is that Antigen pick up active and infectious virus whereas PCR pick up inactive and deceased virus particles as well as live ones.

    So maybe we are going about it the wrong way (PCR as Gold standard, everything else to be measured against it.).

    In any case using Antigen testing could be more successful at picking up cases given that you get quick results and can repeat the tests frequently at a lesser cost and time delay than a single PCR taken infrequently.

    Our authorities don't want to use them because they are primarily a tol to enable reopening of things and they want everything to remain closed.

    Great to see this nonsense migrating from the restrictions thread


  • #8457
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gael23 wrote: »
    For many families children, Grandchildren and any living siblings amounts to more than 10 people.

    The limit is now 25


  • #8458
    KanyeSouthEast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭KanyeSouthEast


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The limit is now 25

    That’s so nice of our leaders to allow 25 at a funeral we should be so grateful.......

    What a time to be Irish


  • #8459
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    KanyeSouthEast wrote: »
    That’s so nice of our leaders to allow 25 at a funeral we should be so grateful.......

    What a time to be Irish

    I think it’s only 30 in the UK and they are much further advanced


  • #8460
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    seamus wrote: »
    In terms of the cost, the easiest solution is probably to just have a midi skip at every entrance to a park and signs up asking people to use them. Have a skip company on a retainer dropping an empty skip every day from now till the end of August. Same at Portobello and other very public meeting spots; someone in DCC whose job it is to watch the weather and ensure a skip is dropped at the site at the start of the day.

    Not sure fly-tipping would be a massive issue if they were swapped out daily and you had wardens keeping an eye.

    Expanding bin capacity for a temporary issue or cracking down with fines don't seem like proper solutions, IMHO. You'd think people would bring their rubbish home, but you're pissing in the wind begging people to do it.

    Lol, such naivety. Any unattended public bin will end up with someone else's household waste in it in short order, and a skip is literally inviting it. I've seen it on the street, on my workplace and in every apartment block I've lived in: non residents coming in to dump in communal bins.

    A second problem with skips is that they need to be covered to keep gulls out of them.

    An absolute crackdown on this is needed. What I find most galling about this is that is largely (though to be fair, not entirely) teenagers and young adults at this. The very same cohort lecturing the rest of us on the environment.


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  • #8461
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Lol, such naivety. Any unattended public bin will end up with someone else's household waste in it in short order, and a skip is literally inviting it. I've seen it on the street, on my workplace and in every apartment block I've lived in: non residents coming in to dump in communal bins.

    A second problem with skips is that they need to be covered to keep gulls out of them.

    An absolute crackdown on this is needed. What I find most galling about this is that is largely (though to be fair, not entirely) teenagers and young adults at this. The very same cohort lecturing the rest of us on the environment.

    Agree completely. Like building an extra lane on the M50, it doesn’t improve anything.....it just increases the amount of trash

    It’s not ideal, but the solution needs to be a dual approach of enforcement and additional street / park cleaners to tidy up after


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