Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

saabsaab · 22-04-2021 11:48PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

I’m sure you mean well in your own way. But with all those at risk groups vaccinated, it’s now time to stop with the hysteria. In a couple of weeks as vaccinations pick up pace, the sky will feel more blue, and maybe you’ll have a bit more perspective.

As i said many times when the vaccines are well rolled out we should be in a far better place but opening up too quickly won't help. Or non vital air travel.

saabsaab · 22-04-2021 11:52PM

faceman wrote: »

Somebody was implying that without committing. A tad facetious pal.

No they weren't, we all know most get better but it still kills some. Two of them known to me. One under 50.

Blut2 · 22-04-2021 11:53PM

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

Not necessarily. What you can do, and your chances of becoming infected are reduced here because we can restrict what you do. Abroad, we cannot control you. And you probability of people going abroad on holiday to stay away from other people is low to negligible. So even if the rate is higher here than in the prospective holiday country, people staying here have a significantly statistically LOWER probability of infecting a family member.
That is why travel for holidays is curtailed.

That assumes people are keeping to the government's rules in Ireland. Which they quite clearly are not. Go to any park any sunny weekend day and tell us what you see. Ask taxi drivers how many people they're dropping off and collecting from house parties these days.

If someone is going to socialize on holiday they're going to do it in Ireland. Thats a personal choice people are making, that they'll make wherever they are.

And if anything, socializing in the parts of Europe where outdoor hospitality is open currently is significantly statistically less risky behaviour than socializing indoors at house parties/dinner parties in Ireland.

beggars_bush wrote: »

Bull
Because the people who will still go on a foreign jollier are probably the same who won't adhere to restrictions here

Yes. Thats exactly my point. If someone wants to socialize they'll do it in Ireland, they won't be waiting to go abroad to do it. And by doing it in Ireland they're at higher risk of catching corona, and spreading corona it on their return, than if they'd spent the preceding week in a lower incident region.

saabsaab · 23-04-2021 12:01AM

Blut2 wrote: »

That assumes people are keeping to the government's rules in Ireland. Which they quite clearly are not. Go to any park any sunny weekend day and tell us what you see. Ask taxi drivers how many people they're dropping off and collecting from house parties these days.

If someone is going to socialize on holiday they're going to do it in Ireland. Thats a personal choice people are making, that they'll make wherever they are.

And if anything, socializing in the parts of Europe where outdoor hospitality is open currently is significantly statistically less risky behaviour than socializing indoors at house parties/dinner parties in Ireland.

Yes. Thats exactly my point. If someone wants to socialize they'll do it in Ireland, they won't be waiting to go abroad to do it. And by doing it in Ireland they're at higher risk of catching corona, and spreading corona it on their return, than if they'd spent the preceding week in a lower incident region.

Perhaps but at airports, travel to and from not to mention crossing paths with people from God knows where on their travels their risk of picking up new variants is much higher that here currently.

Blut2 · 23-04-2021 12:04AM

saabsaab wrote: »

Perhaps but at airports, travel to and from not to mention crossing paths with people from God knows where on their travels their risk of picking up new variants is much higher that here currently.

Airports and flights have been statistically proven to not be a risk, because social distancing and mask wearing is ubiquitous, and the air is so filtered.

Someone is far more likely to catch covid attending a social event in a house with 10 friends in Dublin than on the journey flying to Spain and back.

josip · 23-04-2021 12:28AM

How many additional cases have been detected so far in the Quarantine Hotels that weren't detected before the flights?

Red Silurian · 23-04-2021 09:07AM

lawred2 wrote: »

A good old Helen Lovejoy response there

Corholio wrote: »

It's only obvious it's you cos not many others would say such an obnoxious thing in a covid forum and expect people to take any further opinions seriously. Bunker down and watch replays of the rugby, I'm sure someone will tap on the window to let you know you unfortunately have to stress again once it's over.

Maybe facts aren't your thing and perhaps personal attacks make you feel better but it doesn't help your argument.

Red Silurian · 23-04-2021 09:09AM

josip wrote: »

How many additional cases have been detected so far in the Quarantine Hotels that weren't detected before the flights?

Assuming everybody flew into the country with negative tests. All of them, which raises questions about the accuracy of a 3 day pre-departure test

josip · 23-04-2021 09:54AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

Assuming everybody flew into the country with negative tests. All of them, which raises questions about the accuracy of a 3 day pre-departure test

But how many is "all of them"? 5? 10?
Or by "All of them" do you mean everyone who has to got to MHQ is a positive case?

lawred2 · 23-04-2021 10:02AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

Maybe facts aren't your thing and perhaps personal attacks make you feel better but it doesn't help your argument.

Facts?

Valhallapt · 23-04-2021 10:05AM

How many of yesterday’s 600 cases were from travel within the EU?

munchkin_utd · 23-04-2021 10:48AM

Valhallapt wrote: »

How many of yesterday’s 600 cases were from travel within the EU?

probably all of them, straight off the plane setting to work infecting as many as possible as quickly as possible - which has to have been the case, because as we are all aware Covid does not transmit from person to person unless you are straight off a plane !!

Its a really strange yet cunning virus, the first ever to require a plane journey as a catalyst

It can even be spread by phantom people, better known as "hoardes of yanks off the plane" , thousands of them, coming to Ireland for a holiday in closed hotels and having the craic in closed pubs, going on tours of the country on bus tours that have been cancelled, crossing county bounds that the natives arent allowed to cross. Scandalous, the whole affair !

Red Silurian · 23-04-2021 11:20AM

josip wrote: »

But how many is "all of them"? 5? 10?
Or by "All of them" do you mean everyone who has to got to MHQ is a positive case?

About 10 a week before France was added to the list, all who traveled to Ireland with negative PCRs

Red Silurian · 23-04-2021 11:36AM

Valhallapt wrote: »

How many of yesterday’s 600 cases were from travel within the EU?

If it's the British variant then technically none of them as Britain left the EU on the 30th of January 2020

There was 70 at an Intel building site yesterday, apparently it was deemed an essential construction project this whole time... Who knew?

Intel are constantly flying people in from all over the world and it wouldn't surprise me if this had something to do with a worker flying in from their factory in Bngalore

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0422/1211468-intel-covid/

munchkin_utd · 23-04-2021 11:48AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

If it's the British variant then technically none of them as Britain left the EU on the 30th of January 2020

There was 70 at an Intel building site yesterday, apparently it was deemed an essential construction project this whole time... Who knew?

Intel are constantly flying people in from all over the world and it wouldn't surprise me if this had something to do with a worker flying in from their factory in Bngalore

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0422/1211468-intel-covid/

computer experts from bangalore do not work on irish building sites.

same as strawberry pickers from Bulgaria dont jump through windows in Bellmullet hotels at chistmas looking for pints, and dodging the guards.

Red Silurian · 23-04-2021 12:08PM

munchkin_utd wrote: »

computer experts from bangalore do not work on irish building sites.

You would be surprised

munchkin_utd wrote: »

same as strawberry pickers from Bulgaria dont jump through windows in Bellmullet hotels at chistmas looking for pints, and dodging the guards.

Not sure how that statement is relevant...

normanoffside · 23-04-2021 12:14PM

Red Silurian wrote: »

Assuming everybody flew into the country with negative tests. All of them, which raises questions about the accuracy of a 3 day pre-departure test

You know they are testing staff at MHQ too?

There is no breakdown of cases between staff and detainees. It's quite possible a large proportion of staff are testing positive after acquiring infection in the community and passing it on to detainees.
It's also possible that one or two detainees are infected and passing it on to other detainees in the hotel.

All this has happened regularly in Australia and New Zealand where detainees acquire infection in MHQ.
MHQ itself is actually dangerous and a source of infection.

Red Silurian · 23-04-2021 12:29PM

normanoffside wrote: »

You know they are testing staff at MHQ too?

There is no breakdown of cases between staff and detainees. It's quite possible a large proportion of staff are testing positive after acquiring infection in the community and passing it on to detainees.
It's also possible that one or two detainees are infected and passing it on to other detainees in the hotel.

All this has happened regularly in Australia and New Zealand where detainees acquire infection in MHQ.
MHQ itself is actually dangerous and a source of infection.

You could be right, there's a case at the moment in Perth where somebody tested negative on his 14th day of MHQ but tested positive on Day16 or 17 (after he had left MHQ)

Either that or it's a sign of the Indian variant being undetectable in the early days, which would explain the Singaporean move detailed above

IrishCommunist · 23-04-2021 12:42PM

One of my friends in the Connolly Youth just did a full interview about how quarantine works in China, for anybody interested feel free to check it out on the website cym.ie, should be called "Quarantining in China: Interview with an Irish emigrant"

fm · 23-04-2021 01:06PM

Red Silurian wrote: »

You would be surprised

Not sure how that statement is relevant...

Surprise us with some facts so

normanoffside · 23-04-2021 01:16PM

Red Silurian wrote: »

You could be right, there's a case at the moment in Perth where somebody tested negative on his 14th day of MHQ but tested positive on Day16 or 17 (after he had left MHQ)

Either that or it's a sign of the Indian variant being undetectable in the early days, which would explain the Singaporean move detailed above

Yes I know about this and many other cases.

Australia refuses to recognise that Covid is Airborne and hotels use air conditioning as for some reason they won't allow detainees to open windows.
There was an outbreak in which several detainees had the same genomic sequencing of the virus even though they had come in on different flights (therefore the clearly caught it in the Hotel)

Yes despite all this evidence of MHQ acquired infection they are contacting all the people who were on the flight with the community case in Perth almost 3 weeks ago to tell them to isolate :rolleyes:

hotmail.com · 23-04-2021 01:23PM

Should confirmed cases in the community be taken into these hotels?

Surely that's where we're going at this rate of Irish nastiness.

DessieJames · 23-04-2021 02:06PM

saabsaab wrote: »

You obviously don't care what you bring back. We should be in a better position late June early June re foreign travel just wait and see.

ohhhh look this nasty man went away on holiday lock him up and throw away the key.

Jesus what a poxy nation of curtain twitchers and serial moaners this country has turned into, ill do as i like when i like, i , along with most others stopped believing the garbage and lies the giovernment come out with a long time ago.

DessieJames · 23-04-2021 02:09PM

Red Silurian wrote: »

You forgot to mention "pick up COVID, bring it back, possibly kill an elderly family member and close up the economy" which is the problem, beggars belief that some people like you aren't smart enough to see that

i can imagine how totally brainwashed you must be by all of this, the majority of people are saying yep fair play sick of this garbage by now live your life, theres always some who are still sucked in by the scaremongering and lies.:rolleyes:

DessieJames · 23-04-2021 02:12PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

I gave up my holiday last year, at much personal expense.

The vulnerable are pretty much vaccinated at this stage, everyone over 50 will be vaccinated by mid June at the latest.

I’m not putting my life on hold as some people are suggesting that some yet unknown variant might emerge. We didn’t get a warning about this pandemic, we won’t get a warning about the next one either, can’t live in fear. Once the people who might die from covid are vaccinated, it’s time to get back to normal and enjoy life, and foreign travel!

fair play,i didnt and im delighted i went and ill certainly be going again this year, and i urge anyone who wants to go abroad to do so.

Red Silurian · 23-04-2021 02:20PM

DessieJames wrote: »

i can imagine how totally brainwashed you must be by all of this, the majority of people are saying yep fair play sick of this garbage by now live your life, theres always some who are still sucked in by the scaremongering and lies.:rolleyes:

DessieJames wrote: »

fair play,i didnt and im delighted i went and ill certainly be going again this year, and i urge anyone who wants to go abroad to do so.

This is the exact rational that has us locked down now for the third time, you think you'd have learnt from last year but apparently not

Red Silurian · 23-04-2021 02:24PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Should confirmed cases in the community be taken into these hotels?

Surely that's where we're going at this rate of Irish nastiness.

It's what China did, along with the mandatory quarantining of close contacts... You want zero COVID that's one way of getting it done! Vaccination will probably do the job for us though

johnire · 23-04-2021 03:18PM

What lies are you referring to?

DessieJames wrote: »

i can imagine how totally brainwashed you must be by all of this, the majority of people are saying yep fair play sick of this garbage by now live your life, theres always some who are still sucked in by the scaremongering and lies.:rolleyes:

caveat emptor · 23-04-2021 04:55PM

DessieJames wrote: »

fair play,i didnt and im delighted i went and ill certainly be going again this year, and i urge anyone who wants to go abroad to do so.

Do what you want it's a free country. Very happy to hear that you couldn't give a ****. Have you ever?

Natterjack from Kerry · 23-04-2021 07:03PM

Blut2 wrote: »

Airports and flights have been statistically proven to not be a risk, because social distancing and mask wearing is ubiquitous, and the air is so filtered.

Someone is far more likely to catch covid attending a social event in a house with 10 friends in Dublin than on the journey flying to Spain and back.

Indeed. But there arent very many people interested in just flying to Spain and back.

Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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