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Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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  • #5312
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,499 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    M_Murphy57 wrote: »
    Nope. Just SD making us look backwards again by insisting the UK arrivals have one here it seems, despite being able to avoid it by flying into Belfast.

    I suppose he's using the logic that most of the arrivals into Belfast are NI residents and it's easier and cheaper for most to have a PCR test 3 days before departure than to use the loophole... It also means you are far less likely to spread the virus on the plane so it's not backwards at all


  • #5313
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,499 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Lumen wrote: »
    There is no definition of summer in which August is early.

    edit: and if I hear "a number of" used as a quantifier one more time from an Irish politician or health bureaucrat I will scream.

    I think he's referring to August as being late summer and therefore acceptable for travel


  • #5314
    M_Murphy57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭M_Murphy57


    Red Silurian wrote: »
    I suppose he's using the logic that most of the arrivals into Belfast are NI residents and it's easier and cheaper for most to have a PCR test 3 days before departure than to use the loophole... It also means you are far less likely to spread the virus on the plane so it's not backwards at all

    There is no logic to any of SDs decisions. Hes an incompetent, craven narcissist, way out if his depth and determined to implement "my way or the highway" policies - no basis in risk management and no long term thinking or concern for the implications to the economy and our need as an island for connection to the outside world.

    So yes, his policies are backwards at a time when every other country is looking for ways to open up.


  • #5315
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    faceman wrote: »
    Hinting is an understatement. It’s clear they don’t want people travelling in 2021 at all
    Ignoring all the noise from the zero-Covid people who are not actually in government, we need the actual government to tell us what the strategy is.

    If the current restrictions are purely a short-term measure to keep out existing variants which they think may impact on vaccinations, then say that clearly.

    If the strategy is to keep out any new variants long into the future then say that also.

    No-one has a clue at the moment what the strategy is, and you have various commentators in the media each saying what they think it is - ranging from the zero-Covid "we will never travel outside the island ever again" to the "open everything it's only a cold" brigade.

    Personally I don't see how they can seriously argue that the intention is to keep out future variants which don't exist yet, but if it is their strategy I want to know so I can make my opposition clear. I have no real problem with a strategy where we are trying to keep out existing dangerous variants, as long as there are exceptions for vaccinated people.


  • #5316
    Valhallapt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    Was just listening to Ryanair ceo give an interview, he thinks it’ll be an extended summer this year with September being very busy. No faith in EU green certificate. Hotel bookings are strong for the summer in Southern Europe, which is not correlating with airline demand, suggesting that the Germans etc are just going to drive to their beach holiday this year


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  • #5317
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,499 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    M_Murphy57 wrote: »
    There is no logic to any of SDs decisions. Hes an incompetent, craven narcissist, way out if his depth and determined to implement "my way or the highway" policies - no basis in risk management and no long term thinking or concern for the implications to the economy and our need as an island for connection to the outside world.

    So yes, his policies are backwards at a time when every other country is looking for ways to open up.

    I'm not a fan of Donnelly but which of his decisions specifically are you referring to that have no logic attached to them?


  • #5318
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,954 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    the lack of exceptions in exceptional circumstances is being questioned by some of the EU countries who SD has slapped hotel quarantine on
    Foreign citizens with a home in Ireland should be exempted from Ireland’s mandatory hotel quarantine system when travelling for funerals and other pressing reasons, politicians from France and Italy have said.

    In a letter sent to Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney, three French and Italian parliamentarians elected by citizens living abroad argued the cost of hotel quarantine was causing “an undue burden” on overseas citizens who need to travel in an emergency.

    The letter, seen by The Irish Times, acknowledges “the protection of public health in Ireland is an unquestionable priority, and hotel quarantines are legitimate means to ensure this result where there are no alternatives”.

    However, the three signatories argue that when someone entering Ireland has a permanent residence where they can safely quarantine, “this could be an alternative solution to facilitate essential travel”.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/citizens-living-in-ireland-should-be-exempt-from-hotel-quarantine-say-french-italian-politicians-1.4543934

    I 100% agree.

    Ireland is implementing a New Zealand no-covid type ultra strict MHQ policy on a selected number of countries with no exceptions even in the most tragic or excptional circumstances - and this strictness is justified as it it would jeopardise the situation in a country which already has 1000s of cases a month of community spread, a border open to the north and leisure travel for irish people allowed with a dental appointment in Tenerife (or boob job in Dubai) .

    MHQ as implemented is illogical and disprortionally harsh in the case of family emergencies


  • #5319
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,499 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    the lack of exceptions in exceptional circumstances is being questioned by some of the EU countries who SD has slapped hotel quarantine on

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/citizens-living-in-ireland-should-be-exempt-from-hotel-quarantine-say-french-italian-politicians-1.4543934

    I 100% agree.

    Ireland is implementing a New Zealand no-covid type ultra strict MHQ policy on a selected number of countries with no exceptions even in the most tragic or excptional circumstances - and this strictness is justified as it it would jeopardise the situation in a country which already has 1000s of cases a month of community spread, a border open to the north and leisure travel for irish people allowed with a dental appointment in Tenerife (or boob job in Dubai) .

    MHQ as implemented is illogical and disprortionally harsh in the case of family emergencies

    I don't think a NZ/Aus style MHQ would be beneficial at the moment because as you say community spread is too high but when we get our numbers down to where they were last summer that's when MHQ will really show it's benefits. At the moment there is an exemption list and it is quite long

    Let's not forget that 80% of cases in November were the Spanish strain, all originating from travel to the region in one form or another, further proof that the 2 week non legally binding 'restricted movements' wasn't enough at the time and clearly went un-observed


  • #5320
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Red Silurian wrote: »
    I don't think a NZ/Aus style MHQ would be beneficial at the moment because as you say community spread is too high but when we get our numbers down to where they were last summer that's when MHQ will really show it's benefits.
    We are not isolated countries at the far end of the world.

    MHQ for countries in the EU & North America may help drive our Covid rate down to zero, but it will also drive our economy down. Someone has to earn the money which goes to pay for things like the health service & pandemic unemployment payments.

    It's all irrelevant anyway, once the vaccination program finishes in the next few months we will be forced to reopen as all our neighbours do. The opposition parties are already asking what the government are doing to help the aviation sector which is a staggering level of neck.


  • #5321
    Dr. Em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭Dr. Em


    Red Silurian wrote: »
    I suppose he's using the logic that most of the arrivals into Belfast are NI residents and it's easier and cheaper for most to have a PCR test 3 days before departure than to use the loophole... It also means you are far less likely to spread the virus on the plane so it's not backwards at all

    You also can't fly into Belfast from any airport other than another UK airport without multiple tests. Basically, the UK and Ireland are in a defacto bubble with checks on anyone coming from the outside.


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  • #5322
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,954 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    Red Silurian wrote: »
    Let's not forget that 80% of cases in November were the Spanish strain, all originating from travel to the region in one form or another, further proof that the 2 week non legally binding 'restricted movements' wasn't enough at the time and clearly went un-observed
    the Spanish variant was not brought back by French or italian people returning from a funeral or minding their elderly relatives

    its people like that in Ireland, and the same for a portion of irish abroad with elderly relatives in Ireland, that are being caught by the MHQ in a very bad way


  • #5323
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,499 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    hmmm wrote: »
    We are not isolated countries at the far end of the world.

    MHQ for countries in the EU & North America may help drive our Covid rate down to zero, but it will also drive our economy down. Someone has to earn the money which goes to pay for things like the health service & pandemic unemployment payments.

    It's all irrelevant anyway, once the vaccination program finishes in the next few months we will be forced to reopen as all our neighbours do. The opposition parties are already asking what the government are doing to help the aviation sector which is a staggering level of neck.

    We are isolated from all our neighbours by various masses of water. Vietnam managed to keep covid out from day one by closing their borders despite having a 1,306km long land border with China

    Despite that I will agree that our vaccination schedule paves the way for opening borders when we get to about 75% inoculation, assuming no nasty variant appears... I think it will be longer than a few months though
    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    the Spanish variant was not brought back by French or italian people returning from a funeral or minding their elderly relatives

    its people like that in Ireland, and the same for a portion of irish abroad with elderly relatives in Ireland, that are being caught by the MHQ in a very bad way

    Debatable but even if true, how do you prove somebody was caring for an elderly relative or at a funeral instead of partying when they get off the plane?


  • #5324
    faceman
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    Red Silurian wrote: »
    We are isolated from all our neighbours by various masses of water. Vietnam managed to keep covid out from day one by closing their borders despite having a 1,306km long land border with China

    Despite that I will agree that our vaccination schedule paves the way for opening borders when we get to about 75% inoculation, assuming no nasty variant appears... I think it will be longer than a few months though



    Debatable but even if true, how do you prove somebody was caring for an elderly relative or at a funeral instead of partying when they get off the plane?

    You should do your research better. There are only 21 road crossings between Vietnam and China and ALL are manned border crossings

    How many roads cross in to Northern Ireland and how many of them are manned?


  • #5325
    DessieJames
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 299 ✭✭DessieJames


    M_Murphy57 wrote: »
    Did you come back from UK to Dublin also and if so did you need a PCR test?

    The UK Gov website clearly says Irish are exempt because of CTA but the Irish website seems to be deliberately vague, only talking of "abroad" but I cant find anything about an exemption on pcr from UK to Dublin

    back via Belfast, never any problems, ive done it numerous times.


  • #5326
    DessieJames
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 299 ✭✭DessieJames


    Red Silurian wrote: »
    What lies and scaremongering are you referring to?



    There isn't one, negative PCR is required from GB

    ah here, :rolleyes::D


  • #5327
    DessieJames
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 299 ✭✭DessieJames


    exitfee wrote: »
    Do you need a pcr test to go the UK?

    no you dont, coming back you do which is why more are coming back via Belfast


  • #5328
    DessieJames
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 299 ✭✭DessieJames


    its like this follks, you can either sit at home depressed and hoping these parasites in government alllow you to go on holiday which they probably wont, or just ignore the constant doom and gloom and scaremongering and just go on holiday, thats exactly what i done last summer, and i will be doing the exact same this summer too,in fact ive taken numerous flights without any issues since this started.

    Staying at home in a €250 a night hotel ,lucky to get a pint , you cant go anywhere because it'll likely rain isnt my idea of a holiday its misery.

    The choice is yours, sit at home wishing your life away, or just ignore the scaremongering as everyone appears to be doing now and just go abroad and enjoy your holiday.

    its that simple.


  • #5329
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    DessieJames wrote: »
    its like this follks, you can either sit at home depressed and hoping these parasites in government alllow you to go on holiday which they probably wont, or just ignore the constant doom and gloom and scaremongering and just go on holiday, thats exactly what i done last summer, and i will be doing the exact same this summer too,in fact ive taken numerous flights without any issues since this started.

    Staying at home in a €250 a night hotel ,lucky to get a pint , you cant go anywhere because it'll likely rain isnt my idea of a holiday its misery.

    The choice is yours, sit at home wishing your life away, or just ignore the scaremongering as everyone appears to be doing now and just go abroad and enjoy your holiday.

    its that simple.


    You obviously don't care what you bring back. We should be in a better position late June early June re foreign travel just wait and see.


  • #5330
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,499 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    faceman wrote: »
    You should do your research better. There are only 21 road crossings between Vietnam and China and ALL are manned border crossings

    How many roads cross in to Northern Ireland and how many of them are manned?

    Well northern ireland and the rest of the UK are in a defacto travel bubble with the republic as there is MHQ set up on each side of the border, I thought you were referring to the mainland EU where there are 2 or possibly 3 ports that serve as border crossings with them


  • #5331
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    The vaccination will help opening borders when we get the majority inoculated, assuming no deadly variant appears. My guess is end June.


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  • #5332
    a_squirrelman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭a_squirrelman


    saabsaab wrote: »
    The vaccination will help opening borders when we get the majority inoculated, assuming no deadly variant appears. My guess is end June.

    So you've said. Countless times.


  • #5333
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    a_squirrelman wrote: »
    So you've said. Countless times.


    Good. At least you're taking notice.


  • #5334
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,499 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    DessieJames wrote: »
    its like this follks, you can either sit at home depressed and hoping these parasites in government alllow you to go on holiday which they probably wont, or just ignore the constant doom and gloom and scaremongering and just go on holiday, thats exactly what i done last summer, and i will be doing the exact same this summer too,in fact ive taken numerous flights without any issues since this started.

    Staying at home in a €250 a night hotel ,lucky to get a pint , you cant go anywhere because it'll likely rain isnt my idea of a holiday its misery.

    The choice is yours, sit at home wishing your life away, or just ignore the scaremongering as everyone appears to be doing now and just go abroad and enjoy your holiday.

    its that simple.

    You forgot to mention "pick up COVID, bring it back, possibly kill an elderly family member and close up the economy" which is the problem, beggars belief that some people like you aren't smart enough to see that


  • #5335
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,499 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    saabsaab wrote: »
    The vaccination will help opening borders when we get the majority inoculated, assuming no deadly variant appears. My guess is end June.

    Yes except I think you're being a bit hopeful about our vaccine rollout


  • #5336
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Red Silurian wrote: »
    Yes except I think you're being a bit hopeful about our vaccine rollout


    You could well be right but I'm a bit of an optimist.


  • #5337
    M_Murphy57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭M_Murphy57


    a_squirrelman wrote: »
    So you've said. Countless times.

    More and more I think saabsaab is a bot programmed to post "do not travel", "be afraid", "variants" or words to that effect all day every day. I dont know why people bother engaging.


  • #5338
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Head of DAA wading in on MHQ.
    The chief executive of Dublin airport operator, daa, has said he is "very concerned" about the impact of mandatory hotel quarantine.

    Dalton Philips said the Irish regime is one of the most restrictive of any EU country.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0422/1211471-daa-chief-concerned-at-hotel-quarantine-impact/


  • #5339
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,499 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    saabsaab wrote: »
    You could well be right but I'm a bit of an optimist.

    I usually am... I think our vaccine issues have changed that though


  • #5340
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,499 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Head of DAA wading in on MHQ.



    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0422/1211471-daa-chief-concerned-at-hotel-quarantine-impact/

    Newsflash - Operator of Airport doesn't like restrictions on international travel

    In other news pubs aren't happy about being closed, retail isn't happy with having to go click and collect and the sky is blue


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  • #5341
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Red Silurian wrote: »
    Newsflash - Operator of Airport doesn't like restrictions on international travel

    In other news pubs aren't happy about being closed, retail isn't happy with having to go click and collect and the sky is blue
    Eh, you missed poster posts stupid post!


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