Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

exitfee wrote: »

It all sounds scary until you realise how few new cases end up in hospital and see it for what it really is.

Young, unvaccinated people aren't doing any worse than they were before the vaccine and so called variant's, it's just that vaccinated people are doing great and a very small number of people are actually still getting sick now and it's mostly unvaccinated middle age people

Just a flu bro is what this is becoming for people under middle age.

What im a bit scared about is that 'the easing of restrictions' has not been officially decided yet and a certain member of NPHET resuming his role

gozunda wrote: »

The only hypocrisy I see - is in that statement.

Because firstly it's not just about 'deaths' - its about keeping the rate of infection of this new disease down as we get people fully vaccinated.

It is also a very lazy attempt at bizarrely pushing the idea that all other existing diseases must be managed as a pandemic. Even where they are normal background diseases with existing immunisation and treatment.

Those who who are covid deniers or skeptics aren't "selfish" imo as you are calling them - but they certainly seem to have their heads in the sand. Doesn't mean other people shouldn't call them out for that btw.

Once the pandemic is declared over - there may well be changes to how things are done. But the pandemic will be over and drastic measures such as your vision of permanent lockdowns won't be needed.

And that vista you describe of "the cold months of the year" can also be managed by annual vaccinations. Up that rate of vaccination and that also becomes less of a yearly problem.

Or of course we could continue moaning and whinging without actually understanding any of that.

So question - are you really suggesting we stay in lockdown forever - even when the pandemic is over because otherwise we're all "hypocrites"?

An Interesting anti lockdown approach there alright..

But see, this is what I find intriguing. Note that you have more or less said what I said, but you’ve said it euphemistically — you’re quite correctly saying that all disease should not be managed in the same way as pandemics. And therein lies the euphemism — what you mean by that is that people dying is a price worth paying for you to enjoy freedoms like going to the pub. In other words, if it ain’t on epidemic proportions, it ain’t worth stopping people from going for pints because the amount of people who might die as a result of things being open again is small enough for the measures of protection of their lives to be demoted. This is, of course, selfish and effectively accepting the abandonment of people to suffering and death purely because there aren’t enough of them for society to take decisive action to save. I don’t necessarily mean that as criticism, I’ve always been upfront that I am selfish, I just get irritated sometimes by those who pretend not to be.

Whether you have said it or not, there is absolutely no denying that the people who have advocated against the lockdown approach or broken the rules have been broadly characterised as selfish by the media and government. Though, I think you did say in a recent post this evening that those who break the rules simply add to the weight for others to shoulder — but if you don’t believe in an annual lockdown, aren’t you simply asking those who will suffer and die from infectious illness every year to shoulder the burden of your freedoms?

I certainly don’t believe in annual lockdowns, but I just think it will be interesting to see how those (if not you, then a hell of a lot of others) who have used arguments of morality and compassion towards victims of infectious disease express their view on things as they sip a pint while people continue to die from infectious disease.

We're going to the zoo!

Dublin Zoo’s website crashed on Thursday morning because of “phenomenal” demand for tickets as the attraction makes final preparations for reopening next week.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/stampede-for-tickets-causes-dublin-zoo-website-to-crash-1.4544972

hynesie08 wrote: »

Who could you possibly be talking about? You've been so subtle......

Bill Gates maybe?

Gael23 wrote: »

Is it safe to say with Holohan back there will be no relaxation on May 4th

Of course there will be.

Texas Ended Lockdowns and Mask Mandates. Now Locked-Down States Are Where Covid Is Growing Most

https://mises.org/wire/texas-ended-lockdowns-and-mask-mandates-now-locked-down-states-are-where-covid-growing-most

PTH2009 wrote: »

Now is not the time for numbers to be going back up, FFS it's so frustrating

It's because they're vaccinating the wrong people after the vulnerable section of the elderly. The healthy elderly know how to look after themselves and don't have to go to work.

75% of these thousands of new cases have been U-45's for months. Mostly people who have no choice but to come into contact with people in their essential jobs.

Even Donnelly could see the age thing is nonsense but he was shot down in favour of the NPHET/NIAC Bootboys.

dubdaymo wrote: »

It's because they're vaccinating the wrong people after the vulnerable section of the elderly. The healthy elderly know how to look after themselves and don't have to go to work.

75% of these thousands of new cases have been U-45's for months. Mostly people who have no choice but to come into contact with people in their essential jobs.

Even Donnelly could see the age thing is nonsense but he was shot down in favour of the NPHET/NIAC Bootboys.

So you think that the virus is less deadly for older age groups than under 45s?
Bizarre comment at this stage !
Donnelly is a muppet who will say whatever first comes to his very small mind when microphone stuck in his face !

is_that_so wrote: »

We're going to the zoo!



https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/stampede-for-tickets-causes-dublin-zoo-website-to-crash-1.4544972

Hope the animals have their vaccinations! :eek:

hynesie08 wrote: »

Wanna include the bit before that?

Desperate for any crumbs from the Masters plate eh?

Dr Holohan acknowledged there was still “more work to be done” as not enough of the population was yet vaccinated and he said a key hope is that the public does not “get ahead of us in terms of anticipatory behaviour”.

In other words the Boss isn't happy and we the public better not "misbehave..."

And one of his Lieutenants Nolan,

Ireland remains in a “very vulnerable position in the coming weeks”

The situation remains “volatile”

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Desperate for any crumbs from the Masters plate eh?




In other words the Boss isn't happy and we the public better not "misbehave..."

And one of his Lieutenants Nolan,

Oh my god, bolded parts...... You're right, level 7 incoming....

It's amazing how the people screaming about "lockdown merchants" are the ones who are desperately scrambling to find clues we're staying locked down when we're clearly in the end game, but live in the darkness buddy, it's clearly where you're comfortable.

Allinall wrote: »

They could also come up with a level 6.

If we were in level 4, people would be asking why, as we could be in level 3.

its not just question the level regarding medical stats but against its own pre-defined categorisation.

I think easing restriction would be minor in beginning of May (click-and-collect etc.) and they will try to push opening of barbers and retail probably in last week of May (24th or 31st) so they can buy some time for more vaccines. Same happened in April, they just fooling people and buying more time.