Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Feria40 · 20-04-2021 10:27PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah the ousted TD Regina making a power play for Fingal in the next general election by taking issue with a policy her own party brought in.
Sinn Fein now having to take up the cause. Can't lose the airport vote.

Michael McNamara the same down in Shannon. Can't blame them really.

Like him or not, to be fair to Michael McNamara he has been running with this issue from day one almost

faceman · 21-04-2021 09:30AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

It's 'under investigation' at the moment yes, that's not to say it shouldn't concern us, but it has caught the scientists off guard as they were expecting the next variant to be similar in mutation to the known variants. To put in laymans terms if the virus is a banana last than year all we had were yellow ones but Britain, SA, Brazil, California and New York discovered green ones with slightly different shades across the countries, leading us to believe the next one would be a shade of green also. India have discovered a pink one, so that's turning heads in the scientific community

Again with the "off guard" comment, come on man

wrote:

In 2020 we peaked at about 1200 hospital beds taken with about 120 in ICU
In 2021 we peaked at about 2500 in hospital with 250 in ICU - we only have about 300 ICU beds in the country so to say we weren't overwhelmed is bending the truth a little bit

The difference is how long it was sustained. Pick a year from the past number of decades and you'll find the Irish hospitals were in worse shape over a sustained period in prior winters. You're forgetting the numbers of people we had on trolleys in your figures.

wrote:

2 reasons... International travel brings in less tax money and more risk of cases and variants than social activity domestically does

We have a land border with the UK. We dont need airlines to bring in scary variants.

Red Silurian · 21-04-2021 10:46AM

mmclo wrote: »

It's not what Cillian de Gascun said on the radio today, there are two changes separately to the spike protein as opposed to one, that just makes it more interesting scientifically not necessarily more infectious or deadly.

Other commentators today (can't recall who) said Indian spread more linked to Religious festivals that Modhi was insisting on allowing and that this variant has been around for a long time

Yes, 2 separate changes, to my knowledge they were expecting one but not the other.... As far as things can be expected in terms of variants

faceman wrote: »

We have a land border with the UK. We dont need airlines to bring in scary variants.

A land border with a country that also has strict limits on international travel

saabsaab · 21-04-2021 10:55AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

Yes, 2 separate changes, to my knowledge they were expecting one but not the other.... As far as things can be expected in terms of variants

A land border with a country that also has strict limits on international travel

This virus has jumped species twice and now is showing non predicted changes. We need control this next few months.

Valhallapt · 21-04-2021 11:14AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

A land border with a country that also has strict limits on international travel

Far far less strict. Negative test prior to flying vs being jailed for two weeks. Apples and oranges.

JDD · 21-04-2021 11:15AM

So my cousin's 16 year old kid is due back from South Africa after spending 6 months there at boarding school.

At 16, he is not allowed to spend two weeks in quarantine alone.

He is an Irish citizen.

What do his parents do here? He is not allowed to stay at the hotel, yet he is an Irish citizen and it is against his constitutional rights to deny him entry to the country.

He can of course fully quarantine at home. His parents have a granny flat he can stay in.

Valhallapt · 21-04-2021 11:41AM

JDD wrote: »

So my cousin's 16 year old kid is due back from South Africa after spending 6 months there at boarding school.

At 16, he is not allowed to spend two weeks in quarantine alone.

He is an Irish citizen.

What do his parents do here? He is not allowed to stay at the hotel, yet he is an Irish citizen and it is against his constitutional rights to deny him entry to the country.

He can of course fully quarantine at home. His parents have a granny flat he can stay in.

I’d imagine if you contact the DFA they will advise on an exemption.

Failing that engage a solicitor to lodge proceedings with the courts, then the DFA will organise an exemption. Then pursue the DFA for costs.

hmmm · 21-04-2021 04:44PM

Between the talk of "double mutants" and the headlines about the ex-Indian PM being admitted to hospital, we do seem to have a bit of scare-mongering at the moment.

"Double mutant" is nothing but a scary sounding headline, most of the variants we are concerned about have multiple mutations. This Indian strain doesn't appear any more dangerous (and probably less dangerous) than strains like the South African.

The ex PM being admitted was 88, doesn't sound to be in great health, and was in as a precaution as he had "mild" symptoms.

I've supported restrictions and felt they were necessary, but I think it's important that our medical community doesn't start getting lazy and jumping on the fear bandwagon as an easy way to keep restrictions in place. It's fine to say that you are worried about future variants and pointing out the risk to the Government to make a decision, it isn't fine to say that we are facing imminent doom and using that to justify things like MHQ by whipping up idiots in opposition parties and the most fearful people in society.

These strategies might work in the short-term, but they are unsustainable as they reduce trust in the longer term.

joseywhales · 21-04-2021 06:15PM

JDD wrote: »

So my cousin's 16 year old kid is due back from South Africa after spending 6 months there at boarding school.

At 16, he is not allowed to spend two weeks in quarantine alone.

He is an Irish citizen.

What do his parents do here? He is not allowed to stay at the hotel, yet he is an Irish citizen and it is against his constitutional rights to deny him entry to the country.

He can of course fully quarantine at home. His parents have a granny flat he can stay in.

I'd say good chance of an exemption but if you are still worried, I'd recommend a family holiday on carlingford lough or maybe the seaside up north

normanoffside · 21-04-2021 06:26PM

JDD wrote: »

So my cousin's 16 year old kid is due back from South Africa after spending 6 months there at boarding school.

At 16, he is not allowed to spend two weeks in quarantine alone.

He is an Irish citizen.

What do his parents do here? He is not allowed to stay at the hotel, yet he is an Irish citizen and it is against his constitutional rights to deny him entry to the country.

He can of course fully quarantine at home. His parents have a granny flat he can stay in.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/3b8e1-mandatory-hotel-quarantine-your-questions-answered/#children-and-families

Gov.ie wrote:

What happens to unaccompanied minors
Unaccompanied minors arriving in to the State who have travelled from or through a designated state in the 14 days prior to arrival in Ireland will not be permitted to enter a mandatory quarantine facility alone.

Either:

their adult guardian can enter mandatory hotel quarantine with them; or
if this is not possible their guardian must sign a written undertaking to ensure the child will adhere to quarantine rules under their care at home or in a boarding school

DessieJames · 21-04-2021 09:40PM

Flew from Dublin to the UK last weekend no problem,no questions asked, was great to see the airport so busy and people ignoring the lies and scaremongering and travelling.

was just briliant to escape the misery here and be able to have a few beers in the sun outdoors obviously,everyone in jovial form.

will definitely be doing this again in the next month...be left waiting here for these ghouls to open up anything.

M_Murphy57 · 21-04-2021 10:04PM

DessieJames wrote: »

Flew from Dublin to the UK last weekend no problem,no questions asked, was great to see the airport so busy and people ignoring the lies and scaremongering and travelling.

was just briliant to escape the misery here and be able to have a few beers in the sun outdoors obviously,everyone in jovial form.

will definitely be doing this again in the next month...be left waiting here for these ghouls to open up anything.

Did you come back from UK to Dublin also and if so did you need a PCR test?

The UK Gov website clearly says Irish are exempt because of CTA but the Irish website seems to be deliberately vague, only talking of "abroad" but I cant find anything about an exemption on pcr from UK to Dublin

Red Silurian · 21-04-2021 11:07PM

DessieJames wrote: »

Flew from Dublin to the UK last weekend no problem,no questions asked, was great to see the airport so busy and people ignoring the lies and scaremongering and travelling

What lies and scaremongering are you referring to?

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Did you come back from UK to Dublin also and if so did you need a PCR test?

The UK Gov website clearly says Irish are exempt because of CTA but the Irish website seems to be deliberately vague, only talking of "abroad" but I cant find anything about an exemption on pcr from UK to Dublin

There isn't one, negative PCR is required from GB

saabsaab · 21-04-2021 11:24PM

Government is talking about foreign travel from late Summer. Not long away.

faceman · 22-04-2021 07:08AM

The real world evidence is piling up that the vaccines work, breakthrough infections after vaccination are tiny and insignificant illness wise and variants aren’t vaccine killers

Open the airports

https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/21/22395551/covid-vaccine-breakthrough-infection-rare-cdc

is_that_so · 22-04-2021 08:07AM

French and Italians still unhappy with MHQ and arguing that anyone living here should be exempted.

Foreign citizens with a home in Ireland should be exempted from Ireland’s mandatory hotel quarantine system when travelling for funerals and other pressing reasons, politicians from France and Italy have said.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/citizens-living-in-ireland-should-be-exempt-from-hotel-quarantine-say-french-italian-politicians-1.4543934

lawred2 · 22-04-2021 08:10AM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Did you come back from UK to Dublin also and if so did you need a PCR test?

The UK Gov website clearly says Irish are exempt because of CTA but the Irish website seems to be deliberately vague, only talking of "abroad" but I cant find anything about an exemption on pcr from UK to Dublin

It's not remotely vague. There are no restrictions traveling from the Ireland to the UK.

M_Murphy57 · 22-04-2021 08:42AM

lawred2 wrote: »

It's not remotely vague. There are no restrictions traveling from the Ireland to the UK.

If you read what I wrote I said it was clear what the rules were from Ireland TO the UK ie Irish are exempt from PCR entering UK.

I said it was not clear to me what the rules were coming back ie Irish people flying into Dublin FROM London.

The Irish Gov wording vaguely refers to everywhere as "abroad " and I haven't been able to find if there is an exemption on return to Dublin from the CTA. That was my question to the OP.

Eli1 · 22-04-2021 08:53AM

I too am
Interested in this as so confusing. Do people need to have a swab done travelling from Uk to Irl?

quote="M_Murphy57;116966141"]If you read what I wrote I said it was clear what the rules were from Ireland TO the UK ie Irish are exempt from PCR entering UK.

I said it was not clear to me what the rules were coming back ie Irish people flying into Dublin FROM London.

The Irish Gov wording vaguely refers to everywhere as "abroad " and I haven't been able to find if there is an exemption on return to Dublin from the CTA. That was my question to the OP.[/quote]

faceman · 22-04-2021 08:57AM

Eli1 wrote: »

I too am
Interested in this as so confusing. Do people need to have a swab done travelling from Uk to Irl?

quote="M_Murphy57;116966141"]If you read what I wrote I said it was clear what the rules were from Ireland TO the UK ie Irish are exempt from PCR entering UK.

I said it was not clear to me what the rules were coming back ie Irish people flying into Dublin FROM London.

The Irish Gov wording vaguely refers to everywhere as "abroad " and I haven't been able to find if there is an exemption on return to Dublin from the CTA. That was my question to the OP.

[/quote]

Yes. Doesn’t matter where you’re flying from, you must arrive with a negative pcr test

Valhallapt · 22-04-2021 09:03AM

Any update on the the green passports? I think that’ll simplify travel within the EU. I think by early may you need to show proof that you have had covid, had a vaccine or tested negative 72 hours prior. I’m not sure if they will have to system up and running or not. That’ll rid MHQ for eu people at least

is_that_so · 22-04-2021 09:05AM

Valhallapt wrote: »

Any update on the the green passports? I think that’ll simplify travel within the EU. I think by early may you need to show proof that you have had covid, had a vaccine or tested negative 72 hours prior. I’m not sure if they will have to system up and running or not. That’ll rid MHQ for eu people at least

Martin has been hinting that they don't want people going abroad in early summer so what happens elsewhere will have no effect on us for now.

M_Murphy57 · 22-04-2021 09:07AM

exitfee wrote: »

Do you need a pcr test to go the UK?

Nope. Just SD making us look backwards again by insisting the UK arrivals have one here it seems, despite being able to avoid it by flying into Belfast.

Valhallapt · 22-04-2021 09:14AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Martin has been hinting that they don't want people going abroad in early summer so what happens elsewhere will have no effect on us for now.

When is early summer?

faceman · 22-04-2021 09:18AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Martin has been hinting that they don't want people going abroad in early summer so what happens elsewhere will have no effect on us for now.

Hinting is an understatement. It’s clear they don’t want people travelling in 2021 at all

is_that_so · 22-04-2021 09:23AM

Valhallapt wrote: »

When is early summer?

June-July, August might be acceptable. His preference seems to be traffic jams all along the Wild Atlantic Way!

lawred2 · 22-04-2021 09:24AM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

If you read what I wrote I said it was clear what the rules were from Ireland TO the UK ie Irish are exempt from PCR entering UK.

I said it was not clear to me what the rules were coming back ie Irish people flying into Dublin FROM London.

The Irish Gov wording vaguely refers to everywhere as "abroad " and I haven't been able to find if there is an exemption on return to Dublin from the CTA. That was my question to the OP.

Apologies

Yes you need a PCR from the UK

But that doesn't include NI.

lawred2 · 22-04-2021 09:25AM

exitfee wrote: »

Do you need a pcr test to go the UK?

No

Lumen · 22-04-2021 09:26AM

is_that_so wrote: »

June-July, August might be acceptable.

There is no definition of summer in which August is early.

edit: and if I hear "a number of" used as a quantifier one more time from an Irish politician or health bureaucrat I will scream.

is_that_so · 22-04-2021 09:28AM

Lumen wrote: »

There is no definition of summer in which August is early.

The comma in my post indicated the end of the response, August is new information not part of that response.

Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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