Reap Scheme

Tomjim · 20-04-2021 7:19pm #1

Is there no bird seed in the reap scheme. I'm in Glas and sow bird seed and was going to invest in a disk harrow but wont if there is no bird seed in the new scheme

Young95 · 20-04-2021 7:54pm

Tomjim wrote: »

Is there no bird seed in the reap scheme. I'm in Glas and sow bird seed and was going to invest in a disk harrow but wont if there is no bird seed in the new scheme

No don’t think so

Limestone Cowboy · 20-04-2021 8:08pm

It'll be nearly impossible to get into it anyway the way it's looking, An advisor can submit a max of ten applications. It's some joke.

893bet · 20-04-2021 8:43pm

Tomjim wrote: »

Is there no bird seed in the reap scheme. I'm in Glas and sow bird seed and was going to invest in a disk harrow but wont if there is no bird seed in the new scheme

If you are in Glas you can’t enter anyway.

Young95 · 20-04-2021 8:55pm

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

It'll be nearly impossible to get into it anyway the way it's looking, An advisor can submit a max of ten applications. It's some joke.

I presume it’s an advisor like Teagesc or etc that puts you forward for it .

jimini0 · 20-04-2021 9:02pm

Was talking to my advisor. He is in bother. 40 farmers including myself have expressed interest in the scheme. Whats he supposed to do? Pick his 10 favourites? Pick the 10 that is goin to make the most money? He doesn't know what to do and this man has been in the business over 30 years.
I would love to get into the scheme the hedgerow planting is something I have always wanted to do. I love to see fields divided with hedges and not fences. The infilling of hedges I have been already doing the last couple of years.

893bet · 20-04-2021 9:10pm

If you don’t get in do you have to pay the advisor aswell?

Dinzee Conlee · 20-04-2021 9:13pm

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

It'll be nearly impossible to get into it anyway the way it's looking, An advisor can submit a max of ten applications. It's some joke.

Is that 10 applications for the pilot or 10 applications over the lifetime of the scheme?

Charolois 19 · 20-04-2021 10:12pm

Was talking to my teagesc advisor a week or two ago, he said 2200 or so applications, if the 10 per advisor was the way it was going to go for the pilot would that be balanced out over the country just be as a base to build on going forward to flesh out the ins and outs of it? As an even base level for each part of the country and farm sizes im trying to say.

893bet · 20-04-2021 10:39pm

It’s going to be ****ing pointless. I can almost guess.

Closing date for applications is almost upon us yet the scheme is not ****ing open.

Bass Reeves · 20-04-2021 11:33pm

This is a limited scheme to trial a scheme for 2023. From what I can see the advisors will grade you for what payment you recieve for low input pasture and the multi species leys.

Money from hedges and trees will be limited. There is no mention about bird, bat or bee boxes.

Because it's a limited trial there is always going to be limited numbers. I think advisors will cost more than previous schemes as they may have to rate you every year. However it will put them between a rock and a hard place as while the farmer may pay them the department will expect them to mark those same farmers

148multi · 20-04-2021 11:42pm

I believe its only for a two year duration

Bass Reeves · 20-04-2021 11:54pm

148multi wrote: »

I believe its only for a two year duration

Ya it's two years duration

Tileman · 21-04-2021 3:27am

Tomjim wrote: »

Is there no bird seed in the reap scheme. I'm in Glas and sow bird seed and was going to invest in a disk harrow but wont if there is no bird seed in the new scheme

Well feck it. I always enjoyed the bird cover. The field always looked lovely in colour in summertime and it was well paid. I also bought a disc Harrow this year for the very job, it might be short lived.

Bass Reeves · 21-04-2021 7:41am

Tileman wrote: »

Well feck it. I always enjoyed the bird cover. The field always looked lovely in colour in summertime and it was well paid. I also bought a disc Harrow this year for the very job, it might be short lived.

This is a trial scheme. Just looking at it I think they are concentrating on the 10HA grazing LIP and MSLG. They are obviously going to target these two in the next scheme.they must have been unhappy with them in last scheme.

They are the basis for any decent payment. 10HA giving 3.5k in last scheme. Now they are going to grade them 1-10 and you will only be paid from 4-10 depending on performance of these features.

k mac · 21-04-2021 10:20am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

This is a limited scheme to trial a scheme for 2023. From what I can see the advisors will grade you for what payment you recieve for low input pasture and the multi species leys.

Money from hedges and trees will be limited. There is no mention about bird, bat or bee boxes.

Because it's a limited trial there is always going to be limited numbers. I think advisors will cost more than previous schemes as they may have to rate you every year. However it will put them between a rock and a hard place as while the farmer may pay them the department will expect them to mark those same farmers

Will those finished in Glas this year after the 1 year extension have no scheme so next year if the new scheme will not be available till 2023, seems to be a big financial hit for people to take

_Brian · 21-04-2021 10:22am

Is it set that 10Ha is the smallest farm viable ??

Allot of small holdings will be exempted which is a pity.

Bass Reeves · 21-04-2021 11:01am

k mac wrote: »

Will those finished in Glas this year after the 1 year extension have no scheme so next year if the new scheme will not be available till 2023, seems to be a big financial hit for people to take

There was an extension for those in GLAS who were exiting at the end of 2020 I expect similar next year

ABitofsense · 21-04-2021 11:25am

We were never in GLAS or any of these schemes but what is defined as low input grassland (LIG)?

893bet · 21-04-2021 12:04pm

ABitofsense wrote: »

We were never in GLAS or any of these schemes but what is defined as low input grassland (LIG)?

https://www.teagasc.ie/publications/2017/have-you-delivered-on-low-input-permanent-pasture-or-traditional-hay-meadow-options-for-your-glas-plan.php

Siamsa Sessions · 21-04-2021 12:38pm

Saw a presentation on REAP yesterday at a farm meeting. Looks to be more complex than it's worth, even if you were to be accepted in.

There's also a big gap between what was promised in the 'Programme for Government' and the details being drip-fed out now. I think something like €40m was mentioned on the call yesterday, as in the scheme now has €40m less to fund it than was promised in the PfG.

ABitofsense · 21-04-2021 12:54pm

893bet wrote: »

https://www.teagasc.ie/publications/2017/have-you-delivered-on-low-input-permanent-pasture-or-traditional-hay-meadow-options-for-your-glas-plan.php

Thanks.

That looks very restrictive and probably would only work of a low stocking rate. Think I'll skip on this one.

Dinzee Conlee · 21-04-2021 3:23pm

_Brian wrote: »

Is it set that 10Ha is the smallest farm viable ??

Allot of small holdings will be exempted which is a pity.

Either way, payments are subject to an upper limit of 10ha

From here
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/reap-what-will-farmers-have-to-do-to-get-paid/

Bass Reeves · 21-04-2021 8:07pm

ABitofsense wrote: »

Thanks.

That looks very restrictive and probably would only work of a low stocking rate. Think I'll skip on this one.

In GLAS the scheme for low input permanent pasture and traditional hay meadows have not been a success I say. A lot of farmers with on good land entered these schemes but have shook a bit of extra N on them.

In any new environment scheme I expect they will be graded and you will only get paid if the they start to look like traditional pasture

Young95 · 21-04-2021 8:32pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

In GLAS the scheme for low input permanent pasture and traditional hay meadows have not been a success I say. A lot of farmers with on good land entered these schemes but have shook a bit of extra N on them.

In any new environment scheme I expect they will be graded and you will only get paid if the they start to look like traditional pasture

What is a traditional pasture suppose to look like ? A field of stemmy grass ?

Dunedin · 21-04-2021 8:41pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

In GLAS the scheme for low input permanent pasture and traditional hay meadows have not been a success I say. A lot of farmers with on good land entered these schemes but have shook a bit of extra N on them.

In any new environment scheme I expect they will be graded and you will only get paid if the they start to look like traditional pasture

It can come down to the levels of inspections. Farmers will generally conform to the rules of schemes for the first year or two but if they don’t hear of much inspections then they drop the standard a little!!!

Wild bird cover is a classic example. It got a great start the first couple of years but quickly dropped off. I saw a lad near me just left the WBC run on the same for two years and never sowed or tilled it at all (and it’s oats and linseed and not any 2 year crop).

Bass Reeves · 21-04-2021 8:51pm

Young95 wrote: »

What is a traditional pasture suppose to look like ? A field of stemmy grass ?

Something like these
https://www.google.com/search?q=a+traditional+hay+meadow&sxsrf=ALeKk00zv8R2S8k4SENPU5zFBM2P3n8uUg:1619034546599&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjMpJ3YjZDwAhVtURUIHZZYAFcQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1600&bih=789#imgrc=rEJEn_ka5HP0tM

Birdnuts · 21-04-2021 10:01pm

Young95 wrote: »

What is a traditional pasture suppose to look like ? A field of stemmy grass ?

A high herbal element would be diagnostic - TBH since the start of these schemes 20 years ago, they have been poorly designed and implemented by DAFM. Its also true to say the funding for REAP is very underwhelming and doesn't say much for all the "talk" by the GP in government on the matter

J.O. Farmer · 22-04-2021 12:10am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

This is a trial scheme. Just looking at it I think they are concentrating on the 10HA grazing LIP and MSLG. They are obviously going to target these two in the next scheme.they must have been unhappy with them in last scheme.

They are the basis for any decent payment. 10HA giving 3.5k in last scheme. Now they are going to grade them 1-10 and you will only be paid from 4-10 depending on performance of these features.

This trial doesn't look that attractive, get 1200 base payment but probably give half that to an adviser, then there'll be a high chance of an inspection as the department will want to see for themselves how it's going and the numbers are limited.

Chances are there'll be very few graded 10 but all the spin will be based on what the scheme is worth if you grade 10. I expect the majority might grade 6-8 and possibly lower. They can't be seen to give a high proportion of 10s as it'd look like there's no need for the scheme or it's not doing anything.

Dunedin · 22-04-2021 5:36pm

Glas money in account today

Young95 · 22-04-2021 9:55pm

Talked to an advisor today.. the field margins are my biggest issue with it as we have mostly sheep and to try keep them out of it all year round with an electric fence and wire would drive you into a mental asylum

Dinzee Conlee · 22-04-2021 9:58pm

Young95 wrote: »

Talked to an advisor today.. the field margins are my biggest issue with it as we have mostly sheep and to try keep them out of it all year round with an electric fence and wire would drive you into a mental asylum

Field margins?

What are the rules around field margins?

Young95 · 22-04-2021 10:12pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Field margins?

What are the rules around field margins?

Has to be fenced 1 to 3m from the boundary of the field and left alone for biodiversity. You can’t graze it only mulch or topp it between September and February.

mr.stonewall · 23-04-2021 7:04am

Young95 wrote: »

Has to be fenced 1 to 3m from the boundary of the field and left alone for biodiversity. You can’t graze it only mulch or topp it between September and February.

Does this field margin then have to be removed from the BPS maps or can it be claimed.

alan10 · 23-04-2021 7:24am

Is there a list of Advisors per county or something?

Young95 · 23-04-2021 11:06am

mr.stonewall wrote: »

Does this field margin then have to be removed from the BPS maps or can it be claimed.

No it can still be left in it .

Dinzee Conlee · 23-04-2021 11:51am

Young95 wrote: »

Has to be fenced 1 to 3m from the boundary of the field and left alone for biodiversity. You can’t graze it only mulch or topp it between September and February.

Is that for the LIG, the MSL or both?

Young95 · 23-04-2021 1:24pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Is that for the LIG, the MSL or both?

Both

cuculainn · 23-04-2021 10:00pm

What are non grass indicator species??

Tomjim · 24-04-2021 10:16am

Young95 wrote: »

Has to be fenced 1 to 3m from the boundary of the field and left alone for biodiversity. You can’t graze it only mulch or topp it between September and February.

that will be expensive to do

893bet · 24-04-2021 10:40am

Is there more money for doing 3metres verses 1 metre?

J.O. Farmer · 24-04-2021 11:07am

893bet wrote: »

Is there more money for doing 3metres verses 1 metre?

Probably get you a better score closer to 10 but no specific payment for it as far as I can see.

3 metres might be grand up the Midlands where a field could be 40 acres but there'd be no field left in 2 acre gardens in the West.

893bet · 24-04-2021 11:14am

I am gonna enter this one anyway if I can. Entire farm needs fencing and will use the money from the scheme to fund this. No problem with a 1metre margin. Father loved the wire in the ditch. Pain in the arse to maintain.

Young95 · 24-04-2021 11:52am

Tomjim wrote: »

that will be expensive to do

You can use an electric fence like . It be fine for cattle but sheep would be a nightmare

Grueller · 24-04-2021 1:47pm

893bet wrote: »

I am gonna enter this one anyway if I can. Entire farm needs fencing and will use the money from the scheme to fund this. No problem with a 1metre margin. Father loved the wire in the ditch. Pain in the arse to maintain.

Same here. I had to replace a blast of fencing this spring and when I had his back turned I left it out far enough to get the head of the hedgecutter down the back of it. He gave out like mad but now that the cows have grazed under to the ditch he has settled.

Pinsnbushings · 24-04-2021 3:01pm

Grueller wrote: »

Same here. I had to replace a blast of fencing this spring and when I had his back turned I left it out far enough to get the head of the hedgecutter down the back of it. He gave out like mad but now that the cows have grazed under to the ditch he has settled.

Had a good laugh at this, there all the same it seems..whatever about tight to the ditch, I can never understand the fence line on top of the ditch, bushes and skeaghs growing through them everyway.. how they were ever going to be maintained I don't know

PoorFarmer · 24-04-2021 4:00pm

Pinsnbushings wrote: »

Had a good laugh at this, there all the same it seems..whatever about tight to the ditch, I can never understand the fence line on top of the ditch, bushes and skeaghs growing through them everyway.. how they were ever going to be maintained I don't know

Wire on top of the ditch is one for the rooter thread

Dinzee Conlee · 24-04-2021 4:10pm

PoorFarmer wrote: »

Wire on top of the ditch is one for the rooter thread

I dunno, it’s only one fence - rather than having to fence both sides...
As if you only fence one side, then sheep will jump from on top of the ditch in...

Pinsnbushings · 24-04-2021 5:57pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

I dunno, it’s only one fence - rather than having to fence both sides...
As if you only fence one side, then sheep will jump from on top of the ditch in...

I know that's the thinking but in my eyes it means no fence, as neither the wire nor the hedge can be kept right

Dinzee Conlee · 24-04-2021 6:26pm

Pinsnbushings wrote: »

I know that's the thinking but in my eyes it means no fence, as neither the wire nor the hedge can be kept right

Yeah, it can depend...

Where we are now, the ditches are only earth and have a few briars growing on them. The sheep would level them nearly...
So putting wire on top is grand, as it’s only a raised piece of grand rather than a ditch...

Whereas my home place had plenty stones for ditches, so they were more substantial affairs with plenty hawthorn bushes...

893bet · 24-04-2021 9:40pm

The way I see it if I can get into the scheme and break even from it with the place fully fenced and a few bits done then I am happy with it. Nice trial for two years also before signing up to a longer 5 year type one.

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