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Derek Chauvin murder trial (George Floyd)

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  • #2102
    Ten of Swords
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,542 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    CKendrick discuss the topic of the thread or don't post, your recent off topic posts have been removed

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  • #2103
    Biafranlivemat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 386 ✭✭Biafranlivemat


    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    On that point the police in the United States are generally well paid, with good benefits when you make it to retirement, so unlikely. The most likely reaction across several (not all) police jurisdictions in the United States is one that became prevalent in the 1970s where the police just stand back and let crime ran amok in some neighbourhoods.


    I along with many others would say, that the police are Over Paid.
    https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/01/06/2020-massachusetts-state-police-payroll/


    And also corrupt
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/current-former-boston-police-officers-arrested-embezzlement


  • #2104
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Yellow_Fern wrote: »
    I am posting this as a lot of posters here are unaware of the how flimsy some of the prosecution evidence is



    https://www.dailywire.com/news/4-crucial-details-in-the-derek-chauvin-trial-that-the-media-are-ignoring

    I am posting this as you and some other posters here are unaware.

    The jury heard and saw everything. They found Derek Chauvin guilty. He is a murderer.

    If the evidence was so 'flimsy' then the defence should have been able to easily counter it. They didn't.

    Stop trying to make excuses for a murderer.


  • #2105
    Ten of Swords
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    Yellow_Fern first of all, if you're going to paste a portion of an article one paragraph is sufficient, not the whole thing. Secondly, offer an opinion or comment - don't just dump a wall of text on the thread and leave it at that

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  • #2106
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Faugheen wrote: »
    I am posting this as you and some other posters here are unaware.

    The jury heard and saw everything. They found Derek Chauvin guilty. He is a murderer.

    If the evidence was so 'flimsy' then the defence should have been able to easily counter it. They didn't.

    Stop trying to make excuses for a murderer.

    Court cases don't work like that. Not all evidence is presented to a jury. A key witness wasn't (Morries Hall). They didnt allow it as he may have supplied the drugs that could have killed him. While there was also was a lot of non probative prejudicial testimony allowed in the trial that legal experts say normally would not be allowed.


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  • #2107
    cheezums
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 719 ✭✭✭cheezums


    Yellow_Fern wrote: »
    Court cases don't work like that. Not all evidence is presented to a jury. A key witness wasn't (Morries Hall). They didnt allow it as he may have supplied the drugs that could have killed him. While there was also was a lot of non probative prejudicial testimony allowed in the trial that legal experts say normally would not be allowed.

    They also didnt hear about chauvins long list of complaints so it goes both ways.


  • #2108
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,328 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Faugheen wrote: »
    I am posting this as you and some other posters here are unaware.

    The jury heard and saw everything. They found Derek Chauvin guilty. He is a murderer.

    If the evidence was so 'flimsy' then the defence should have been able to easily counter it. They didn't.

    Stop trying to make excuses for a murderer.

    Shur if we couldn't discuss cases and verdicts after the fact, there'd be a lot less threads on this site. One case in Belfast springs to mind immediately


  • #2109
    poisonated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,277 ✭✭✭poisonated


    I’m happy to see chauvin found guilty. He didn’t even seem shocked.I think even he knew what he did was wrong.


  • #2110
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Yellow_Fern wrote: »
    Court cases don't work like that. Not all evidence is presented to a jury. A key witness wasn't (Morries Hall). They didnt allow it as he may have supplied the drugs that could have killed him. While there was also was a lot of non probative prejudicial testimony allowed in the trial that legal experts say normally would not be allowed.

    Morris Hall plead the 5th just like chauvin. The evidence that could of been got from him was small and insignificant.


  • #2111
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,433 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Not arguing for or against anything in this case, but from a legal standpoint, is this clear murder as opposed to manslaughter?

    I would have thought the policeman was sure he was hurting GF, but I don't believe he deliberately decided to murder him in front of cameras. He did know he was being filmed didn't he? There is a shot of him looking directly at the camera.


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  • #2112
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Do any medics here have any thoughts on Dr. Toibin's evidence, the pulmonary and critical care physician? He was independently in for the trial only. It was given high profile coverage on RTE as he is Irish. He claimed that he could see Floyd's gaining a brain injury and time of death in the video ? Is that really a thing? This doctor's didn't do any autopsy, and came to conclusions that the corner didn't. Can you do this? if so why was so little attention paid to this crucial detail?


  • #2113
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,328 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Not arguing for or against anything in this case, but from a legal standpoint, is this clear murder as opposed to manslaughter?

    I would have thought the policeman was sure he was hurting GF, but I don't believe he deliberately decided to murder him in front of cameras. He did know he was being filmed didn't he? There is a shot of him looking directly at the camera.

    https://twitter.com/atompkins/status/1384613346507382784

    The phrase "intentionally applied unlawful force" is what the murder 2 conviction rests on.


  • #2114
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,774 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Not arguing for or against anything in this case, but from a legal standpoint, is this clear murder as opposed to manslaughter?

    I would have thought the policeman was sure he was hurting GF, but I don't believe he deliberately decided to murder him in front of cameras. He did know he was being filmed didn't he? There is a shot of him looking directly at the camera.

    Clear case of voluntary manslaughter. It's obvious just looking at the video.

    When emotion and politics get in the way the outcome is a foregone conclusion and that nuance was never going to be entertained given the atmosphere. No different to OJ Simpson trial all be it in reverse. Another foregone conclusion.

    A show trial.


  • #2115
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,433 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Ok thanks, always thought murder was defined by intent or premeditation, and I don't think that policeman stopped GF that day having decided to murder him.


  • #2116
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,237 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Sandor Clegane wrote: »
    I really don't think it's appropriate for Biden to get involved, saying things like he's relieved, would he not of agreed with the jury if it went the other way? does he not trust his own justice system?

    Biden just gave a speech there.

    Complete virtue signalling and race baiting.

    Very disappointing to see the head of the country saying that there is systemic racism in America.
    He mentioned Georges's legacy and also said that George changed the world.

    Its this melodramatic virtue signalling that is destroying the US.
    George Floyd was not a good man, but he didn't deserve what he got, but he is no saint.
    There are 800000 police in the US, the vast majority do a good job, lets not tar them all with the same brush.


  • #2117
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Clear case of voluntary manslaughter. It's obvious just looking at the video.

    When emotion and politics get in the way the outcome is a foregone conclusion and that nuance was never going to be entertained given the atmosphere. No different to OJ Simpson trial all be it in reverse. Another foregone conclusion.

    A show trial.

    And the other trials where the cops were acquitted, were they show trials too?


  • #2118
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    For the people saying its time to move on.


    https://twitter.com/hungrybowtie/status/1384642512824901634


  • #2119
    Green Peter
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    I think the jury have passed this one on to the next level for their own safety, the hopped it like a hot patatoe away from themselves with the attitude of let him appeal, that's the pressure that was on them to return this verdict. Chauvin should have been fired for negligence but Murder is a joke. People like George Floyd need to take responsibility for their actions and behavior which is now totally forgotten and ignored.


  • #2120
    Yellow_Fern
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    cheezums wrote: »
    They also didnt hear about chauvins long list of complaints so it goes both ways.

    ?? What of the defence was prejudicial?


  • #2121
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    .

    Very disappointing to see the head of the country saying that there is systemic racism in America.

    Yeah, he should have just lied instead.........


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  • #2122
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Green Peter wrote: »
    I think the jury have passed this one on to the next level for their own safety, the hopped it like a hot patatoe away from themselves with the attitude of let him appeal, that's the pressure that was on them to return this verdict. Chauvin should have been fired for negligence but Murder is a joke. People like George Floyd need to take responsibility for their actions and behavior which is now totally forgotten and ignored.

    hmmm

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116764164&postcount=539


  • #2123
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Green Peter wrote: »
    I think the jury have passed this one on to the next level for their own safety, the hopped it like a hot patatoe away from themselves with the attitude of let him appeal, that's the pressure that was on them to return this verdict. Chauvin should have been fired for negligence but Murder is a joke. People like George Floyd need to take responsibility for their actions and behavior which is now totally forgotten and ignored.

    Where in this situation is chauvin taking responsibility.. he'd be suffering consequences yet no responsibility..


  • #2124
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,751 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    https://twitter.com/sara_davis90/status/1384640515619098631


  • #2125
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,751 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    America is nuts.

    Kid calls cops for help, cop arrives and fires multiple shots into her.


  • #2126
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,751 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    When one bullet won't do, fire 9

    wtf


  • #2127
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 429 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I knew they were fcked when the defence started throwing out wild theories to counter the pulmonologist's claim that a lack of oxygen killed Floyd. They started saying the car exhaust could cause that. Literally no other defence they could think of. The idea that the prosecutions case was flimsy is nonsense considering how weak the defences case of rebuttal was.


  • #2128
    1hnr79jr65
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    I can't fault this verdict, Chauvin is a scumbag for what he done. Don't get me wrong Floyd was dodgy as hell, however it did not mean that Chauvin could do what he did to Floyd. If he felt further restraint was needed, they could have used ankle cuffs or crossed his legs and knelt across the "bow" of where the legs crossed removing any ability for Floyd to get up, kneeling on his neck was totally out of order.


  • #2129
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,328 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    America is nuts.

    Kid calls cops for help, cop arrives and fires multiple shots into her.

    That's not even surprising any more


  • #2130
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,750 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I knew they were fcked when the defence started throwing out wild theories to counter the pulmonologist's claim that a lack of oxygen killed Floyd. They started saying the car exhaust could cause that. Literally no other defence they could think of. The idea that the prosecutions case was flimsy is nonsense considering how weak the defences case of rebuttal was.

    They knew they were ****ed from the beginning. They tried to plea 3rd degree before it even went to trial.

    Chauvin was caught on camera killing a man, slowly choking him for nearly ten minutes. All the excuses and naval gazing baloney wasn't going to top that.

    The defences' case was paper thin and by the time they were down to trying to blame exhaust fumes, the writing was on the wall.


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  • #2131
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I knew they were fcked when the defence started throwing out wild theories to counter the pulmonologist's claim that a lack of oxygen killed Floyd. They started saying the car exhaust could cause that. Literally no other defence they could think of. The idea that the prosecutions case was flimsy is nonsense considering how weak the defences case of rebuttal was.

    Carbon monoxide is not so crazy when you consider a “normal” level of fentanyl for an overdose is 3.5; Floyd had a level of 11. He also had 70% arterial blockage. I would have thought that people like that are a walking time bomb. Bear in there was no damage to his neck and Chauvin called paramedics to assist Floyd. Incompetence on Chauvin's part sure. Intention to harm? Not so sure.


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