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Derek Chauvin murder trial (George Floyd)

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Officer Derek Chavin goes on trial today charged with the homicide of George Floyd, if found guilty he is facing up to 40 years in prison.

The prosecution is largely based on the 9 minute long video of Chauvin pressing his knee into Floyds neck. The defence is going to claim that Chavin did nothing outside of his police training and that Floyds death came about because of drugs in his system and an underlying heart condition. The official autopsy found that his death was a homicide.

Witnesses include a then 17 year old girl who filmed the video on her phone and a police dispatcher who watched events unfold live on CCTV and alerted her supervisor about his treatment.

Its unknown if Chavin himself will take the stand. The trial will also open up answers about the previous relationship between Floyd and Chavin- they both worked as security together for a bar in Minnesota. The trial itself is expected to last 4-5 weeks. The other three police officers involved in the incident will face trial themselves in August.

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Ten of Swords

CKendrick discuss the topic of the thread or don't post, your recent off topic posts have been removed

Biafranlivemat

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

On that point the police in the United States are generally well paid, with good benefits when you make it to retirement, so unlikely. The most likely reaction across several (not all) police jurisdictions in the United States is one that became prevalent in the 1970s where the police just stand back and let crime ran amok in some neighbourhoods.

I along with many others would say, that the police are Over Paid.
https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/01/06/2020-massachusetts-state-police-payroll/

And also corrupt
https://www.foxnews.com/us/current-former-boston-police-officers-arrested-embezzlement

Faugheen

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

I am posting this as a lot of posters here are unaware of the how flimsy some of the prosecution evidence is

https://www.dailywire.com/news/4-crucial-details-in-the-derek-chauvin-trial-that-the-media-are-ignoring

I am posting this as you and some other posters here are unaware.

The jury heard and saw everything. They found Derek Chauvin guilty. He is a murderer.

If the evidence was so 'flimsy' then the defence should have been able to easily counter it. They didn't.

Stop trying to make excuses for a murderer.

Ten of Swords

Yellow_Fern first of all, if you're going to paste a portion of an article one paragraph is sufficient, not the whole thing. Secondly, offer an opinion or comment - don't just dump a wall of text on the thread and leave it at that

Yellow_Fern

Faugheen wrote: »

I am posting this as you and some other posters here are unaware.

The jury heard and saw everything. They found Derek Chauvin guilty. He is a murderer.

If the evidence was so 'flimsy' then the defence should have been able to easily counter it. They didn't.

Stop trying to make excuses for a murderer.

Court cases don't work like that. Not all evidence is presented to a jury. A key witness wasn't (Morries Hall). They didnt allow it as he may have supplied the drugs that could have killed him. While there was also was a lot of non probative prejudicial testimony allowed in the trial that legal experts say normally would not be allowed.

cheezums

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Court cases don't work like that. Not all evidence is presented to a jury. A key witness wasn't (Morries Hall). They didnt allow it as he may have supplied the drugs that could have killed him. While there was also was a lot of non probative prejudicial testimony allowed in the trial that legal experts say normally would not be allowed.

They also didnt hear about chauvins long list of complaints so it goes both ways.

Quantum Erasure

Faugheen wrote: »

I am posting this as you and some other posters here are unaware.

The jury heard and saw everything. They found Derek Chauvin guilty. He is a murderer.

If the evidence was so 'flimsy' then the defence should have been able to easily counter it. They didn't.

Stop trying to make excuses for a murderer.

Shur if we couldn't discuss cases and verdicts after the fact, there'd be a lot less threads on this site. One case in Belfast springs to mind immediately

poisonated

I’m happy to see chauvin found guilty. He didn’t even seem shocked.I think even he knew what he did was wrong.

MeMen2_MoRi_

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Court cases don't work like that. Not all evidence is presented to a jury. A key witness wasn't (Morries Hall). They didnt allow it as he may have supplied the drugs that could have killed him. While there was also was a lot of non probative prejudicial testimony allowed in the trial that legal experts say normally would not be allowed.

Morris Hall plead the 5th just like chauvin. The evidence that could of been got from him was small and insignificant.

NIMAN

Not arguing for or against anything in this case, but from a legal standpoint, is this clear murder as opposed to manslaughter?

I would have thought the policeman was sure he was hurting GF, but I don't believe he deliberately decided to murder him in front of cameras. He did know he was being filmed didn't he? There is a shot of him looking directly at the camera.

Yellow_Fern

Do any medics here have any thoughts on Dr. Toibin's evidence, the pulmonary and critical care physician? He was independently in for the trial only. It was given high profile coverage on RTE as he is Irish. He claimed that he could see Floyd's gaining a brain injury and time of death in the video ? Is that really a thing? This doctor's didn't do any autopsy, and came to conclusions that the corner didn't. Can you do this? if so why was so little attention paid to this crucial detail?

Quantum Erasure

NIMAN wrote: »

Not arguing for or against anything in this case, but from a legal standpoint, is this clear murder as opposed to manslaughter?

I would have thought the policeman was sure he was hurting GF, but I don't believe he deliberately decided to murder him in front of cameras. He did know he was being filmed didn't he? There is a shot of him looking directly at the camera.

https://twitter.com/atompkins/status/1384613346507382784

The phrase "intentionally applied unlawful force" is what the murder 2 conviction rests on.

Kermit.de.frog

NIMAN wrote: »

Not arguing for or against anything in this case, but from a legal standpoint, is this clear murder as opposed to manslaughter?

I would have thought the policeman was sure he was hurting GF, but I don't believe he deliberately decided to murder him in front of cameras. He did know he was being filmed didn't he? There is a shot of him looking directly at the camera.

Clear case of voluntary manslaughter. It's obvious just looking at the video.

When emotion and politics get in the way the outcome is a foregone conclusion and that nuance was never going to be entertained given the atmosphere. No different to OJ Simpson trial all be it in reverse. Another foregone conclusion.

A show trial.

NIMAN

Ok thanks, always thought murder was defined by intent or premeditation, and I don't think that policeman stopped GF that day having decided to murder him.

MisterAnarchy

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

I really don't think it's appropriate for Biden to get involved, saying things like he's relieved, would he not of agreed with the jury if it went the other way? does he not trust his own justice system?

Biden just gave a speech there.

Complete virtue signalling and race baiting.

Very disappointing to see the head of the country saying that there is systemic racism in America.
He mentioned Georges's legacy and also said that George changed the world.

Its this melodramatic virtue signalling that is destroying the US.
George Floyd was not a good man, but he didn't deserve what he got, but he is no saint.
There are 800000 police in the US, the vast majority do a good job, lets not tar them all with the same brush.

Guy:Incognito

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Clear case of voluntary manslaughter. It's obvious just looking at the video.

When emotion and politics get in the way the outcome is a foregone conclusion and that nuance was never going to be entertained given the atmosphere. No different to OJ Simpson trial all be it in reverse. Another foregone conclusion.

A show trial.

And the other trials where the cops were acquitted, were they show trials too?

Guy:Incognito

For the people saying its time to move on.

https://twitter.com/hungrybowtie/status/1384642512824901634

Green Peter

I think the jury have passed this one on to the next level for their own safety, the hopped it like a hot patatoe away from themselves with the attitude of let him appeal, that's the pressure that was on them to return this verdict. Chauvin should have been fired for negligence but Murder is a joke. People like George Floyd need to take responsibility for their actions and behavior which is now totally forgotten and ignored.

Yellow_Fern

cheezums wrote: »

They also didnt hear about chauvins long list of complaints so it goes both ways.

?? What of the defence was prejudicial?

Guy:Incognito

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

.

Very disappointing to see the head of the country saying that there is systemic racism in America.

Yeah, he should have just lied instead.........

Guy:Incognito

Green Peter wrote: »

I think the jury have passed this one on to the next level for their own safety, the hopped it like a hot patatoe away from themselves with the attitude of let him appeal, that's the pressure that was on them to return this verdict. Chauvin should have been fired for negligence but Murder is a joke. People like George Floyd need to take responsibility for their actions and behavior which is now totally forgotten and ignored.

hmmm

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116764164&postcount=539

MeMen2_MoRi_

Green Peter wrote: »

I think the jury have passed this one on to the next level for their own safety, the hopped it like a hot patatoe away from themselves with the attitude of let him appeal, that's the pressure that was on them to return this verdict. Chauvin should have been fired for negligence but Murder is a joke. People like George Floyd need to take responsibility for their actions and behavior which is now totally forgotten and ignored.

Where in this situation is chauvin taking responsibility.. he'd be suffering consequences yet no responsibility..

BorneTobyWilde

https://twitter.com/sara_davis90/status/1384640515619098631

BorneTobyWilde

America is nuts.

Kid calls cops for help, cop arrives and fires multiple shots into her.

BorneTobyWilde

When one bullet won't do, fire 9

wtf

[Deleted User]

I knew they were fcked when the defence started throwing out wild theories to counter the pulmonologist's claim that a lack of oxygen killed Floyd. They started saying the car exhaust could cause that. Literally no other defence they could think of. The idea that the prosecutions case was flimsy is nonsense considering how weak the defences case of rebuttal was.

1hnr79jr65

I can't fault this verdict, Chauvin is a scumbag for what he done. Don't get me wrong Floyd was dodgy as hell, however it did not mean that Chauvin could do what he did to Floyd. If he felt further restraint was needed, they could have used ankle cuffs or crossed his legs and knelt across the "bow" of where the legs crossed removing any ability for Floyd to get up, kneeling on his neck was totally out of order.

Quantum Erasure

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

America is nuts.

Kid calls cops for help, cop arrives and fires multiple shots into her.

That's not even surprising any more

Tony EH

Deleted User wrote: »

I knew they were fcked when the defence started throwing out wild theories to counter the pulmonologist's claim that a lack of oxygen killed Floyd. They started saying the car exhaust could cause that. Literally no other defence they could think of. The idea that the prosecutions case was flimsy is nonsense considering how weak the defences case of rebuttal was.

They knew they were ****ed from the beginning. They tried to plea 3rd degree before it even went to trial.

Chauvin was caught on camera killing a man, slowly choking him for nearly ten minutes. All the excuses and naval gazing baloney wasn't going to top that.

The defences' case was paper thin and by the time they were down to trying to blame exhaust fumes, the writing was on the wall.

Yellow_Fern

Deleted User wrote: »

I knew they were fcked when the defence started throwing out wild theories to counter the pulmonologist's claim that a lack of oxygen killed Floyd. They started saying the car exhaust could cause that. Literally no other defence they could think of. The idea that the prosecutions case was flimsy is nonsense considering how weak the defences case of rebuttal was.

Carbon monoxide is not so crazy when you consider a “normal” level of fentanyl for an overdose is 3.5; Floyd had a level of 11. He also had 70% arterial blockage. I would have thought that people like that are a walking time bomb. Bear in there was no damage to his neck and Chauvin called paramedics to assist Floyd. Incompetence on Chauvin's part sure. Intention to harm? Not so sure.