Golf Ireland App now live

willabur · 20-04-2021 5:11pm #1

just downloaded it myself. Will be interesting to see how it works week to week

slingerz · 20-04-2021 6:20pm

I see you can record a score on it. Is that for handicap purposes and how would it be verified? Could see some very shady goings on otherwise

spacecoyote · 20-04-2021 8:24pm

slingerz wrote: »

I see you can record a score on it. Is that for handicap purposes and how would it be verified? Could see some very shady goings on otherwise

They've a short set of clips in a playlist on YouTube which is pretty concise and clear

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9PeXb-oZMylqB-utOrGOi4eLVkY_dJM1

In a nutshell, you have to declare the round ahead of time on the app.

You name a marker too.

When done you submit the score and add digital signature in the app

after you submit the score the marker gets a notification, and they have to approve the score, before its accepted.

So, yeah, in theory open to a bit of abuse, if you've mates willing to join in the scheme, but I guess that's no different to any comp really.

Also, theres a time limit between declaring the round and inputting scores

benji79 · 20-04-2021 9:12pm

That definitely seems a bit dodgy. With a competition at least bandits had to pay to enter , I presume there’s no charge for these rounds

Now I would say for people who treat it correctly it may be a good option. For someone who might work unusual hours and can’t make regular competitions but would like to keep handicap accurate

CorkBoyInDub · 20-04-2021 9:33pm

That's a really good app. Fair play to them ðŸ‘

Looking forward to getting back out there now.

padmcv · 20-04-2021 9:52pm

It looks good from what I can see. I'm hoping the scoring side of it works as well as it promises. Personally, I will be thrilled if I don't have to enter competitions to keep a handicap.

OEP · 21-04-2021 8:00am

I think the bandit issue is exaggerated anyway, I like it.

prawnsambo · 21-04-2021 8:55am

benji79 wrote: »

That definitely seems a bit dodgy. With a competition at least bandits had to pay to enter , I presume there’s no charge for these rounds

You also have to play enough rounds to wipe all the good ones off your record. And then use your painstakingly created artificial handicap to try and win a competition. And then rinse and repeat to take that good score off your record.

gypsy79 · 21-04-2021 9:04am

prawnsambo wrote: »

You also have to play enough rounds to wipe all the good ones off your record. And then use your painstakingly created artificial handicap to try and win a competition. And then rinse and repeat to take that good score off your record.

And as a handicap committee member I will have a very close eye on anyone who even hits the soft cap

prawnsambo · 21-04-2021 9:14am

gypsy79 wrote: »

And as a handicap committee member I will have a very close eye on anyone who even hits the soft cap

Absolutely. As with members putting in a succession of scores from casual rounds. All somehow coincidentally being bad ones.

benji79 · 21-04-2021 9:18am

Can you just decide your going to play a round at any stage and set it up? Once you have someone to play with etc. Must you inform the club in any way?

gypsy79 · 21-04-2021 9:22am

In our place you need to sign a book to declare the round

DuckSlice · 21-04-2021 9:45am

I see there is plenty people calling for the entry of casual rounds to be charged for by the club, which I think is ridiculous.
Cheaters will cheat regardless of what the system is.

Personally, i will go play my golf and not worry about them as i always have, go out and try to beat my best score and if i win a prize then great.

The app looks great and i like the way you can add friends too.

opinionated3 · 21-04-2021 10:08am

OEP wrote: »

I think the bandit issue is exaggerated anyway, I like it.

The pierce Purcell competitions of the last few years would say otherwise unfortunately.
They're everywhere.

RGS · 21-04-2021 10:56am

benji79 wrote: »

Can you just decide your going to play a round at any stage and set it up? Once you have someone to play with etc. Must you inform the club in any way?[/QUOTE

Casual rounds must be pre registered. This is open to interpretation--does that mean clubs(handicap sec or comp Sec) must be informed first or is logging on to the app before play sufficient.

I presume clubs can and will put in place protocols around how this is achieved.

willabur · 21-04-2021 11:14am

opinionated3 wrote: »

The pierce Purcell competitions of the last few years would say otherwise unfortunately.
They're everywhere.

I have 1 year experience of playing pierce purcell. I am a 12 handicapper WHS
We lost our second round match even though I was +3 gross on the day, played the round of my life. The lad I played against on the day was unreal, I had him at +2 for the day. I think both of us are better than 11+ handicaps but fully accept that we are both 11+ handicaps if that makes sense. I think the nature of the comp and the focus it gives you, drives you to be alot better than you would be in
your standard sunday morning comp

RoadRunner · 21-04-2021 12:05pm

willabur wrote: »

+3 gross on the day

A 45pointer and losing your match :rolleyes:... and that's before WHS which is going to make it much easier to avoid playing off correct handicaps.

All interclub comps should be just played off scratch!

willabur · 21-04-2021 12:27pm

RoadRunner wrote: »

A 45pointer and losing your match :rolleyes:... and that's before WHS which is going to make it much easier to avoid playing off correct handicaps.

All interclub comps should be just played off scratch!

I guess its just an illustration of how someone with a genuine handicap can far outstrip their handicap.
Last year I played more golf than any other year, probably 3 or 4 times a week when we were allowed to play. My game got super sharp around the greens especially. Problem is that I wasn't playing any rounds that contributed to my handicap so it stayed the same while I got better at the game.

So I fully understand why PP produces rounds that look like banditry, I just don't think its banditry

spacecoyote · 21-04-2021 12:37pm

benji79 wrote: »

Can you just decide your going to play a round at any stage and set it up? Once you have someone to play with etc. Must you inform the club in any way?

Assume that there has to a minimum number of registered casual rounds on that day in order to qualitfy for handicap calculation purposes, as there needs to be th PCC calculation for the tees for that day

L.O.F.T · 21-04-2021 12:47pm

willabur wrote: »

I guess its just an illustration of how someone with a genuine handicap can far outstrip their handicap.
Last year I played more golf than any other year, probably 3 or 4 times a week when we were allowed to play. My game got super sharp around the greens especially. Problem is that I wasn't playing any rounds that contributed to my handicap so it stayed the same while I got better at the game.

So I fully understand why PP produces rounds that look like banditry, I just don't think its banditry

Its a very good point you raise. When playing & practicing for interclub you can find your weekly comp can go by the wayside, such is the demand on interclub practicing and playing. In turn handicaps remain static for a number of weeks / months. Some guys are lucky and can practice and play unlimited golf but family blokes and ladies can not do both sometimes and their handicaps remain static.
Interclub practice, as mentioned, can be intense and bring out better concentration and results and overall improve a golfers ability's. Some folks thrive under the pressure of interclub foursomes and play to a level that does not match their handicap on the day. Plus, traditionally it was last years lowest handicaps that counts for qualification into the following years interclub teams. Many improve over winter and head into the new year far better than last years qualifying handicaps.

cjfitz · 21-04-2021 1:28pm

Some clubs facilitate this kind of carryon when it comes to interclub. A local club to me had a 14h/c playing bruen last year and this wasn’t because they were short of numbers.

DuckSlice · 21-04-2021 1:53pm

spacecoyote wrote: »

Assume that there has to a minimum number of registered casual rounds on that day in order to qualitfy for handicap calculation purposes, as there needs to be th PCC calculation for the tees for that day

I don't think this is correct. If no PCC available they will just use the course rating etc is what i thought?

Seve OB · 21-04-2021 1:54pm

gypsy79 wrote: »

In our place you need to sign a book to declare the round

What if you are playing away from home?

Seve OB · 21-04-2021 2:03pm

etxp wrote: »

I don't think this is correct. If no PCC available they will just use the course rating etc is what i thought?

No space is correct. It clearly says that there must be 8 (I think) rounds posted for the day in order for casual rounds to qualify.

DuckSlice · 21-04-2021 2:06pm

Seve OB wrote: »

No space is correct. It clearly says that there must be 8 (I think) rounds posted for the day in order for casual rounds to qualify.

Ah right, not much chance of getting 8 in my club anyway. barely 30 for a Sunday comp every week. Although last year did see a rise in comp entry.

prawnsambo · 21-04-2021 2:14pm

Seve OB wrote: »

What if you are playing away from home?

You can't record casual rounds anywhere except at your home club(s) afaik.

the long lad · 21-04-2021 2:16pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

You can't record casual rounds anywhere except at your home club(s) afaik.

No, that's not correct.

paulos53 · 21-04-2021 2:45pm

Seve OB wrote: »

No space is correct. It clearly says that there must be 8 (I think) rounds posted for the day in order for casual rounds to qualify.

I would have had the same interpretation as etxp. i.e. PCC will be set to zero if less than 8 people play and it would still count for handicap purposes.

Is there a difference in numbers required for general play vs competitions? Our club usually has a comp ever year for the 6 medal winners and it always counted as qualifying under the old system

Seve OB · 21-04-2021 2:53pm

paulos53 wrote: »

I would have had the same interpretation as etxp. i.e. PCC will be set to zero if less than 8 people play and it would still count for handicap purposes.

Is there a difference in numbers required for general play vs competitions? Our club usually has a comp ever year for the 6 medal winners and it always counted as qualifying under the old system

Ah I may have misinterpreted.

With the medal comps you mention, would there also be another comp on same day to set the standard scratch of the day though? Have same in my own club, it’s a daily comp, but the medal winners play for the gold medal also

paulos53 · 21-04-2021 2:56pm

We would have a daily comp running alongside the gold medal also. Most years they would be played off different tees and they would have had different standard scratch calculations

Seve OB · 21-04-2021 3:11pm

the long lad wrote: »

No, that's not correct.

I’m would agree here. Sure wasn’t there a big deal made that you could play counting golf in other countries etc

spacecoyote · 21-04-2021 3:39pm

Seve OB wrote: »

Ah I may have misinterpreted.

With the medal comps you mention, would there also be another comp on same day to set the standard scratch of the day though? Have same in my own club, it’s a daily comp, but the medal winners play for the gold medal also

I probably had the same interpretation. So it's a case that you need 8 rounds to get a PCC, but don't need a calculated PCC in order to submit a round

DuckSlice · 25-04-2021 4:51pm

We got a text sent out that we have to pay a fiver to register a score for handicap purposes.

If I just don’t pay the fiver and register my score in the app will my handicap secretary even know?

CorkBoyInDub · 25-04-2021 10:21pm

etxp wrote: »

We got a text sent out that we have to pay a fiver to register a score for handicap purposes.

If I just don’t pay the fiver and register my score in the app will my handicap secretary even know?

That's absolutely disgraceful imo. Pure greed. The whole purpose of GolfIreland joining the WHS is that casual rounds can count towards handicap. I'll probably play a few casual rounds this year and count them towards my handicap. Does that mean Ill stop playing competitions? Absolutely not.

It's all about getting a true reflection of the way you're playing as your handicap. If there's no prize on offer charging a fiver is scandalous.

slingerz · 25-04-2021 10:47pm

CorkBoyInDub wrote: »

That's absolutely disgraceful imo. Pure greed. The whole purpose of GolfIreland joining the WHS is that casual rounds can count towards handicap. I'll probably play a few casual rounds this year and count them towards my handicap. Does that mean Ill stop playing competitions? Absolutely not.

It's all about getting a true reflection of the way you're playing as your handicap. If there's no prize on offer charging a fiver is scandalous.

Can understand where it’s coming from tbh. Probably fearful of the potential abuse for handicap purposes and an attempt to allay those fears. Also, a club looking to generate income after months of inactivity doesn’t make it wholly unreasonable IMO.

CorkBoyInDub · 25-04-2021 10:54pm

slingerz wrote: »

Can understand where it’s coming from tbh. Probably fearful of the potential abuse for handicap purposes and an attempt to allay those fears. Also, a club looking to generate income after months of inactivity doesn’t make it wholly unreasonable IMO.

Members have paid full fees for the year and didn't get to tee up for 4 months of the year. Charging for a round like that is OTT.

Seve OB · 25-04-2021 10:56pm

etxp wrote: »

We got a text sent out that we have to pay a fiver to register a score for handicap purposes.

If I just don’t pay the fiver and register my score in the app will my handicap secretary even know?

Can you even enter a score in HowDidiDo? It looks to me like it needs a competition to be set up by the club....... whether or not it is a competition.

The golf Ireland app looks like the place to enter casual scores

gypsy79 · 25-04-2021 11:02pm

etxp wrote: »

We got a text sent out that we have to pay a fiver to register a score for handicap purposes.

If I just don’t pay the fiver and register my score in the app will my handicap secretary even know?

Whats the club. Shocking decision in my opinion. You have essentially a pay to play agreement

He will know......there is a report in clubhouse he can check against

Seve OB · 25-04-2021 11:17pm

gypsy79 wrote: »

Whats the club. Shocking decision in my opinion. You have essentially a pay to play agreement

He will know......there is a report in clubhouse he can check against

Might know...... but apart from saying something to you can they really do anything about it?

bustercherry · 25-04-2021 11:19pm

slingerz wrote: »

Can understand where it’s coming from tbh. Probably fearful of the potential abuse for handicap purposes and an attempt to allay those fears. Also, a club looking to generate income after months of inactivity doesn’t make it wholly unreasonable IMO.

I can’t, scumbag behaviour from the club.

gypsy79 · 25-04-2021 11:24pm

Seve OB wrote: »

Might know...... but apart from saying something to you can they really do anything about it?

There is absolutely nothing they could do. In fact I would think they have broken terms of contrac when you became member

Also €5 is extreme, given that €3 of your fee for €5 comp would have gone to prizes

Also what type of club it is and the financial state of said club would play a big factor in my reaction

DuckSlice · 26-04-2021 8:36am

Seve OB wrote: »

Can you even enter a score in HowDidiDo? It looks to me like it needs a competition to be set up by the club....... whether or not it is a competition.

The golf Ireland app looks like the place to enter casual scores

We dont use HowDidiDo anyway.

I was just going to try and do a casual round in the Golf Ireland App without paying the fiver and see can he block it.

Club isn't in any Financial difficulties, it is just fear of handicap cheats abusing the system, and tbh i dont think a fiver would stop them if they are that way inclined.

Im also guessing they wouldnt be able to charge me for an away casual round?

Found in a publication from Golf Ireland link below, seems they can charge if they want, but if i Pre- register a score it has to be submitted for regardless, now is that submitted by me, or by the club?

"While it is a matter for each club if it wishes to charge for General play rounds, all pre-registered General play scores returned must be submitted for handicap purposes irrespective of whether or not payment has been made."

https://static.clubhouse.golfireland.ie/clubs/1000/uploads/files/club_support/gi%20advice%20to%20handicap%20committees21april%20final.pdf

Wichita Lineman · 26-04-2021 8:39am

opinionated3 wrote: »

The pierce Purcell competitions of the last few years would say otherwise unfortunately.
They're everywhere.

As a Pierce Purcell team manager can we please remember that some of us play for the joy of competing in a team event and are not bandits. Really sick of the constant referrals to the PP as a rogue competition.

Mantis Toboggan · 26-04-2021 8:44am

etxp wrote: »

We got a text sent out that we have to pay a fiver to register a score for handicap purposes.

If I just don’t pay the fiver and register my score in the app will my handicap secretary even know?

Yeah we're the same, €5 admin charge!

Not too happy but at the same time I'm not mad about the idea of casual golf counting towards your handicap.

opinionated3 · 26-04-2021 9:01am

Wichita Lineman wrote: »

As a Pierce Purcell team manager can we please remember that some of us play for the joy of competing in a team event and are not bandits. Really sick of the constant referrals to the PP as a rogue competition.

Apologies, I didn't mean to tar EVERY PP player with the same brush.
But let's be honest here. Its littered with bandits. I've played in it before. There's actually certain clubs, who I won't name here, who have a very bad name as a result of their behaviour towards winning at all costs.

Wichita Lineman · 26-04-2021 9:14am

opinionated3 wrote: »

Apologies, I didn't mean to tar EVERY PP player with the same brush.
But let's be honest here. Its littered with bandits. I've played in it before. There's actually certain clubs, who I won't name here, who have a very bad name as a result of their behaviour towards winning at all costs.

Appreciate the apology. If you named the clubs there would be a lot of howling that you shouldnt name and shame but by just naming the competition all the time I feel the innocent do get tarred with that same brush.

Seve OB · 26-04-2021 10:28am

etxp wrote: »

We dont use HowDidiDo anyway.

I was just going to try and do a casual round in the Golf Ireland App without paying the fiver and see can he block it.

Club isn't in any Financial difficulties, it is just fear of handicap cheats abusing the system, and tbh i dont think a fiver would stop them if they are that way inclined.

Im also guessing they wouldnt be able to charge me for an away casual round?

Found in a publication from Golf Ireland link below, seems they can charge if they want, but if i Pre- register a score it has to be submitted for regardless, now is that submitted by me, or by the club?

"While it is a matter for each club if it wishes to charge for General play rounds, all pre-registered General play scores returned must be submitted for handicap purposes irrespective of whether or not payment has been made."

https://static.clubhouse.golfireland.ie/clubs/1000/uploads/files/club_support/gi%20advice%20to%20handicap%20committees21april%20final.pdf

was thinking about this.

when you sign up for a round i the golf Ireland app, don't you have to put in the name of your marker? I think I read that they then have to sign off on your round after you have submitted it and will get a reminder email to do so.

what happens if you are playing with someone who doesn't sign off on your score? maybe you are playing with a stranger who you can't give a shout out to or other reason.

or maybe i missed something.

it will be good to get feedback here from anyone submitting scores this week, whether it be through golf Ireland app or any other platform to see how it actually works in practice. I might throw a round in next Saturday but this morning and tomorrow will be just for the fun with second balls thrown down here and there

Wichita Lineman · 26-04-2021 11:28am

Yes you must name your marker and they will get a request to sign off on the score. I heard there is a time limit of a couple of hours as WHS updates every night at midnight.We'll find out this week how it works I suppose.

Seve OB wrote: »

was thinking about this.

when you sign up for a round i the golf Ireland app, don't you have to put in the name of your marker? I think I read that they then have to sign off on your round after you have submitted it and will get a reminder email to do so.

what happens if you are playing with someone who doesn't sign off on your score? maybe you are playing with a stranger who you can't give a shout out to or other reason.

or maybe i missed something.

it will be good to get feedback here from anyone submitting scores this week, whether it be through golf Ireland app or any other platform to see how it actually works in practice. I might throw a round in next Saturday but this morning and tomorrow will be just for the fun with second balls thrown down here and there

fearruanua · 26-04-2021 12:40pm

Wichita Lineman wrote: »

Yes you must name your marker and they will get a request to sign off on the score. I heard there is a time limit of a couple of hours as WHS updates every night at midnight.We'll find out this week how it works I suppose.

email from our club last night

"Following recent guidance from Golf Ireland, we have been advised that submitting general play scores for handicap purposes will not be facilitated at our Golf Club until the Government allows a further easing of COVID-19 restrictions at a future date. We will keep you posted on this matter."

blue note · 26-04-2021 12:50pm

Ah ffs! I want to lower my handicap!

DuckSlice · 26-04-2021 1:27pm

fearruanua wrote: »

email from our club last night

"Following recent guidance from Golf Ireland, we have been advised that submitting general play scores for handicap purposes will not be facilitated at our Golf Club until the Government allows a further easing of COVID-19 restrictions at a future date. We will keep you posted on this matter."

Golf Ireland seem to be pushing the use of the app?

Golf Ireland App now live

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