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Golf Ireland App now live

  • 20-04-2021 5:11pm
    #1
    willabur
    Registered Users Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭


    just downloaded it myself. Will be interesting to see how it works week to week


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  • #2
    slingerz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,248 ✭✭✭slingerz


    I see you can record a score on it. Is that for handicap purposes and how would it be verified? Could see some very shady goings on otherwise


  • #3
    spacecoyote
    Registered Users Posts: 8,426 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    slingerz wrote: »
    I see you can record a score on it. Is that for handicap purposes and how would it be verified? Could see some very shady goings on otherwise

    They've a short set of clips in a playlist on YouTube which is pretty concise and clear

    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9PeXb-oZMylqB-utOrGOi4eLVkY_dJM1

    In a nutshell, you have to declare the round ahead of time on the app.

    You name a marker too.

    When done you submit the score and add digital signature in the app

    after you submit the score the marker gets a notification, and they have to approve the score, before its accepted.

    So, yeah, in theory open to a bit of abuse, if you've mates willing to join in the scheme, but I guess that's no different to any comp really.

    Also, theres a time limit between declaring the round and inputting scores


  • #4
    benji79
    Registered Users Posts: 517 ✭✭✭benji79


    That definitely seems a bit dodgy. With a competition at least bandits had to pay to enter , I presume there’s no charge for these rounds

    Now I would say for people who treat it correctly it may be a good option. For someone who might work unusual hours and can’t make regular competitions but would like to keep handicap accurate


  • #5
    CorkBoyInDub
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭CorkBoyInDub


    That's a really good app. Fair play to them ðŸ‘

    Looking forward to getting back out there now.


  • #6
    padmcv
    Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭padmcv


    It looks good from what I can see. I'm hoping the scoring side of it works as well as it promises. Personally, I will be thrilled if I don't have to enter competitions to keep a handicap.


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  • #7
    OEP
    Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭OEP


    I think the bandit issue is exaggerated anyway, I like it.


  • #8
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 12,978 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    benji79 wrote: »
    That definitely seems a bit dodgy. With a competition at least bandits had to pay to enter , I presume there’s no charge for these rounds
    You also have to play enough rounds to wipe all the good ones off your record. And then use your painstakingly created artificial handicap to try and win a competition. And then rinse and repeat to take that good score off your record.


  • #9
    gypsy79
    Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    You also have to play enough rounds to wipe all the good ones off your record. And then use your painstakingly created artificial handicap to try and win a competition. And then rinse and repeat to take that good score off your record.

    And as a handicap committee member I will have a very close eye on anyone who even hits the soft cap


  • #10
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 12,978 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    And as a handicap committee member I will have a very close eye on anyone who even hits the soft cap
    Absolutely. As with members putting in a succession of scores from casual rounds. All somehow coincidentally being bad ones.


  • #11
    benji79
    Registered Users Posts: 517 ✭✭✭benji79


    Can you just decide your going to play a round at any stage and set it up? Once you have someone to play with etc. Must you inform the club in any way?


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  • #12
    gypsy79
    Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    In our place you need to sign a book to declare the round


  • #13
    DuckSlice
    Registered Users Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭DuckSlice


    I see there is plenty people calling for the entry of casual rounds to be charged for by the club, which I think is ridiculous.
    Cheaters will cheat regardless of what the system is.

    Personally, i will go play my golf and not worry about them as i always have, go out and try to beat my best score and if i win a prize then great.

    The app looks great and i like the way you can add friends too.


  • #14
    opinionated3
    Registered Users Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    OEP wrote: »
    I think the bandit issue is exaggerated anyway, I like it.

    The pierce Purcell competitions of the last few years would say otherwise unfortunately.
    They're everywhere.


  • #15
    RGS
    Registered Users Posts: 787 ✭✭✭RGS


    benji79 wrote: »
    Can you just decide your going to play a round at any stage and set it up? Once you have someone to play with etc. Must you inform the club in any way?[/QUOTE


    Casual rounds must be pre registered. This is open to interpretation--does that mean clubs(handicap sec or comp Sec) must be informed first or is logging on to the app before play sufficient.


    I presume clubs can and will put in place protocols around how this is achieved.


  • #16
    willabur
    Registered Users Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭willabur


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    The pierce Purcell competitions of the last few years would say otherwise unfortunately.
    They're everywhere.

    I have 1 year experience of playing pierce purcell. I am a 12 handicapper WHS
    We lost our second round match even though I was +3 gross on the day, played the round of my life. The lad I played against on the day was unreal, I had him at +2 for the day. I think both of us are better than 11+ handicaps but fully accept that we are both 11+ handicaps if that makes sense. I think the nature of the comp and the focus it gives you, drives you to be alot better than you would be in
    your standard sunday morning comp


  • #17
    RoadRunner
    Registered Users Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭RoadRunner


    willabur wrote: »
    +3 gross on the day

    A 45pointer and losing your match :rolleyes:... and that's before WHS which is going to make it much easier to avoid playing off correct handicaps.

    All interclub comps should be just played off scratch!


  • #18
    willabur
    Registered Users Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭willabur


    RoadRunner wrote: »
    A 45pointer and losing your match :rolleyes:... and that's before WHS which is going to make it much easier to avoid playing off correct handicaps.

    All interclub comps should be just played off scratch!

    I guess its just an illustration of how someone with a genuine handicap can far outstrip their handicap.
    Last year I played more golf than any other year, probably 3 or 4 times a week when we were allowed to play. My game got super sharp around the greens especially. Problem is that I wasn't playing any rounds that contributed to my handicap so it stayed the same while I got better at the game.

    So I fully understand why PP produces rounds that look like banditry, I just don't think its banditry


  • #19
    spacecoyote
    Registered Users Posts: 8,426 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    benji79 wrote: »
    Can you just decide your going to play a round at any stage and set it up? Once you have someone to play with etc. Must you inform the club in any way?

    Assume that there has to a minimum number of registered casual rounds on that day in order to qualitfy for handicap calculation purposes, as there needs to be th PCC calculation for the tees for that day


  • #20
    L.O.F.T
    Registered Users Posts: 1,103 ✭✭✭L.O.F.T


    willabur wrote: »
    I guess its just an illustration of how someone with a genuine handicap can far outstrip their handicap.
    Last year I played more golf than any other year, probably 3 or 4 times a week when we were allowed to play. My game got super sharp around the greens especially. Problem is that I wasn't playing any rounds that contributed to my handicap so it stayed the same while I got better at the game.

    So I fully understand why PP produces rounds that look like banditry, I just don't think its banditry

    Its a very good point you raise. When playing & practicing for interclub you can find your weekly comp can go by the wayside, such is the demand on interclub practicing and playing. In turn handicaps remain static for a number of weeks / months. Some guys are lucky and can practice and play unlimited golf but family blokes and ladies can not do both sometimes and their handicaps remain static.
    Interclub practice, as mentioned, can be intense and bring out better concentration and results and overall improve a golfers ability's. Some folks thrive under the pressure of interclub foursomes and play to a level that does not match their handicap on the day. Plus, traditionally it was last years lowest handicaps that counts for qualification into the following years interclub teams. Many improve over winter and head into the new year far better than last years qualifying handicaps.


  • #21
    cjfitz
    Registered Users Posts: 220 ✭✭cjfitz


    Some clubs facilitate this kind of carryon when it comes to interclub. A local club to me had a 14h/c playing bruen last year and this wasn’t because they were short of numbers.


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  • #22
    DuckSlice
    Registered Users Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭DuckSlice


    spacecoyote wrote: »
    Assume that there has to a minimum number of registered casual rounds on that day in order to qualitfy for handicap calculation purposes, as there needs to be th PCC calculation for the tees for that day

    I don't think this is correct. If no PCC available they will just use the course rating etc is what i thought?


  • #23
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,818 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    In our place you need to sign a book to declare the round

    What if you are playing away from home?


  • #24
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,818 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    etxp wrote: »
    I don't think this is correct. If no PCC available they will just use the course rating etc is what i thought?

    No space is correct. It clearly says that there must be 8 (I think) rounds posted for the day in order for casual rounds to qualify.


  • #25
    DuckSlice
    Registered Users Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭DuckSlice


    Seve OB wrote: »
    No space is correct. It clearly says that there must be 8 (I think) rounds posted for the day in order for casual rounds to qualify.

    Ah right, not much chance of getting 8 in my club anyway. barely 30 for a Sunday comp every week. Although last year did see a rise in comp entry.


  • #26
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 12,978 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Seve OB wrote: »
    What if you are playing away from home?
    You can't record casual rounds anywhere except at your home club(s) afaik.


  • #27
    the long lad
    Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭the long lad


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    You can't record casual rounds anywhere except at your home club(s) afaik.

    No, that's not correct.


  • #28
    paulos53
    Registered Users Posts: 967 ✭✭✭paulos53


    Seve OB wrote: »
    No space is correct. It clearly says that there must be 8 (I think) rounds posted for the day in order for casual rounds to qualify.

    I would have had the same interpretation as etxp. i.e. PCC will be set to zero if less than 8 people play and it would still count for handicap purposes.

    Is there a difference in numbers required for general play vs competitions? Our club usually has a comp ever year for the 6 medal winners and it always counted as qualifying under the old system


  • #29
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,818 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    paulos53 wrote: »
    I would have had the same interpretation as etxp. i.e. PCC will be set to zero if less than 8 people play and it would still count for handicap purposes.

    Is there a difference in numbers required for general play vs competitions? Our club usually has a comp ever year for the 6 medal winners and it always counted as qualifying under the old system

    Ah I may have misinterpreted.

    With the medal comps you mention, would there also be another comp on same day to set the standard scratch of the day though? Have same in my own club, it’s a daily comp, but the medal winners play for the gold medal also


  • #30
    paulos53
    Registered Users Posts: 967 ✭✭✭paulos53


    We would have a daily comp running alongside the gold medal also. Most years they would be played off different tees and they would have had different standard scratch calculations


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  • #31
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,818 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    the long lad wrote: »
    No, that's not correct.

    I’m would agree here. Sure wasn’t there a big deal made that you could play counting golf in other countries etc


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