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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #6932
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Stheno wrote: »
    They might think you've lost the plot?

    :D:D:D No not at all, I don't have to justify a rant every now and again , it's just FFS, 16 weeks and normalizing or should I say "new normalising" of it, is shocking to many but acceptable to sum, or maybe vice versa I dont know at t is stage.

    Did I come off like Nicholson in witches of Eastwick just then??
    Unhinged!


  • #6933
    MayoSalmon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    rusty cole wrote: »
    a sure it's positive news that you're on the dole for only another 16 weeks mate!

    Its better than the dole for many though. Had a landscaper round the gaff the other day and he has a massive backlog of work to get through because young lads just unwilling to work for him when they can get 350 into pocket every week no questioned asked.

    Hairdressers are another one...all getting the 350 and then fully booked up doing nixers on the side.

    Only two examples there but this lockdown suits WAY WAY more people in society than you would think.


  • #6934
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    rusty cole wrote: »

    Did I come off like Nicholson in witches of Eastwick just then??
    Unhinged!

    A bit lol.

    I agree with you tbh, I wfh and haven't been impacted financially, but Christ its frustrating as hell being on calls with colleagues in other countries going on holidays, eating out etc

    Another 16 weeks doesn't bear thinking about


  • #6935
    Psychedelic Hedgehog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭Psychedelic Hedgehog


    My comment was a bit flippant, I agree, but holy hell there's a fair amount of content in this forum that's better suited to Conspiracy Theories.

    I honestly don't have the energy to engage and debate with posters who think that NPHET want to keep us enslaved for years, or that politicians genuinely enjoy the suffering we're all going through.

    My household has been impacted financially, WFH is torture at this point, but I have to keep a realistic viewpoint that is rational and sane, and not seek to blame the consequences of a virus that doesn't care who's impacted lightly or harshly.

    Pity, there's a lot of genuinely informative posters in here, but they're being drowned out.

    (bows gracefully)


  • #6936
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Psychedelic Hedgehog wrote: »
    My comment was a bit flippant, I agree, but holy hell there's a fair amount of content in this forum that's better suited to Conspiracy Theories.

    I honestly don't have the energy to engage and debate with posters who think that NPHET want to keep us enslaved for years, or that politicians genuinely enjoy the suffering we're all going through.

    My household has been impacted financially, WFH is torture at this point, but I have to keep a realistic viewpoint that is rational and sane, and not seek to blame the consequences of a virus that doesn't care who's impacted lightly or harshly.

    Pity, there's a lot of genuinely informative posters in here, but they're being drowned out.

    (bows gracefully)

    apologies for ranting at you directly if that's how it seemed, I'm also frustrated but not quite yet fit for conspiracy theory fodder, not yet anyway. ;)

    lets move on.


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  • #6937
    big syke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭big syke


    Positive Swabs
    364

    Positivity Rate
    3.04


  • #6938
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Agreed. Too many people are completely comfortable with how things are now. I always thought that the concept of a ‘new normal’ was just conspiracy chat, but it’s becoming obvious that a large segment of the population are happy with their lot, and don’t care that others are struggling


    Not sure people are comfortable with it - I am certainly not but I don't see what I can practically do? Other than complain about it I don't see much I can do about? I'd love to have a voice/a vote but doesn't work like that....


  • #6939
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,658 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    UK adds India to MHQ. Announcement here could follow soon.

    https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1384156505495150595


  • #6940
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,581 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Sunday - 397 positive swabs, 2.74% positivity on 14,491 tests
    Monday - 364 positive swabs, 3.04% positivity on 11,962 tests

    7 day - 2.7%


  • #6941
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,581 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Eod100 wrote: »
    UK adds India to MHQ. Announcement here could follow soon.

    https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1384156505495150595

    No brainer for the UK given the case numbers in India. As for us, we've feck all capacity as it is, do many arrive in weekly from India, it'll be based on that. Wouldn't be a shock to see a few countries removed to make room for India.

    It does annoy me though that the UK and ourselves jump on this variant only after it gets media attention, this despite their case numbers being too high to start with for the last few weeks, so Israel went on our list but India didn't based purely on case numbers , utter nonsense


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  • #6942
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Sunday - 397 positive swabs, 2.74% positivity on 14,491 tests
    Monday - 364 positive swabs, 3.04% positivity on 11,962 tests

    7 day - 2.7%

    Not great, but not terrible either. Could easily be the Easter effect, but still staying stable overall.


  • #6943
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,132 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Sizeable difference between swabs and cases yesterday

    Might be a bit added onto today's figures now


  • #6944
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,784 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    How can positive swabs and positive cases be different? Not arguing with anyone...genuinely curious.


  • #6945
    pauldry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,772 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Only natural it will go back up a bit with people now in groups once more and schools. Hope it never goes back into the thousands again though worrying that positive percentage.


  • #6946
    zebastein
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭zebastein


    Kiith wrote: »
    How can positive swabs and positive cases be different? Not arguing with anyone...genuinely curious.


    because the metrics is not positive cases but "new positive cases".
    So any people covid+ that are retested a few days later and still positive is a positive swab but not a new case


  • #6947
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,581 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    zebastein wrote: »
    because the metrics is not positive cases but "new positive cases".
    So any people covid+ that are retested a few days later and still positive is a positive swab but not a new case

    That's not how it works at all.

    Swabs v cases have differed throughout, some days close enough other days a bit of a difference that's consolidated over the next 24-48hrs.

    It's to do with how a case is reported and the process of notification of a swab from HSE to HPSC to Dept of Health


  • #6948
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,158 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    pauldry wrote: »
    Only natural it will go back up a bit with people now in groups once more and schools. Hope it never goes back into the thousands again though worrying that positive percentage.


    As the roll out takes effect it should reduce significantly. When is the big question. My quess is late May.


  • #6949
    JP100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭JP100


    seamus wrote: »
    Not great, but not terrible either. Could easily be the Easter effect, but still staying stable overall.

    What you'll start to see from now onwards is the schools effect.


  • #6950
    zebastein
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭zebastein


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    That's not how it works at all.

    Swabs v cases have differed throughout, some days close enough other days a bit of a difference that's consolidated over the next 24-48hrs.

    It's to do with how a case is reported and the process of notification of a swab from HSE to HPSC to Dept of Health


    What you describe is the delay that explains the variation from one day to another.


    But do you reckon that eventually the sum of positive swabs would be equal to the sum of positive cases ? What happens to someone who tests 3times positive the same week, it is considered as 3 cases ?


  • #6951
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    JP100 wrote: »
    What you'll start to see from now onwards is the schools effect.

    Or... maybe the building sites, easter weekend, sunny weather BBQ effect... or maybe a combination of all these minor changes :)


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  • #6952
    political analyst
    Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    According to The Times (UK), Mayo coroner Patrick O'Connor, who acts as public info officer for the Coroners Society of Ireland, claims that the figures given by NPHET for Covid deaths have no scientific basis because recording Covid-19 as the principal cause of death when a person was already terminally ill raised questions about the accuracy of the figures.

    Why would doctors record the cause of the death of a patient who has a terminal condition as Covid even if the patient would have lived only for a few more months at most if the pandemic had not happened?


  • #6953
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    JP100 wrote: »
    What you'll start to see from now onwards is the schools effect.
    We've had a run of fine weather now (certainly in the East at least). I would be of the opinion that this is going a long way towards keeping the numbers down and will continue to do so.

    People are back in the groove, schools-wise, so there's no "extra" exposure now taking place. And with teenagers all fully back in school, the amount of household mixing will be lower now than it was before Easter.


  • #6954
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    political analyst wrote: »
    Why would doctors record the cause of the death of a patient who has a terminal condition as Covid even if the patient would have lived only for a few more months at most if the pandemic had not happened?
    Because you record what actually killed them, not what might have.

    If someone with terminal cancer is hit by a bus, you don't say they died of terminal cancer.


  • #6955
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    seamus wrote: »
    Not great, but not terrible either. Could easily be the Easter effect, but still staying stable overall.
    But a cue for a concern speech!


  • #6956
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    political analyst wrote: »
    According to The Times (UK), Mayo coroner Patrick O'Connor, who acts as public info officer for the Coroners Society of Ireland, claims that the figures given by NPHET for Covid deaths have no scientific basis because recording Covid-19 as the principal cause of death when a person was already terminally ill raised questions about the accuracy of the figures.

    Why would doctors record the cause of the death of a patient who has a terminal condition as Covid even if the patient would have lived only for a few more months at most if the pandemic had not happened?

    Someone with a terminal condition gets shot in the head? Do we neglect the head shot because they were going to die anyway.

    To be more blunt. Everyone has a terminal condition. If covid, stroke, a fall, gunshot, heartattack, food poisoning etc exacerbates that you record it.


  • #6957
    zebastein
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭zebastein


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    That's not how it works at all.

    Swabs v cases have differed throughout, some days close enough other days a bit of a difference that's consolidated over the next 24-48hrs.

    It's to do with how a case is reported and the process of notification of a swab from HSE to HPSC to Dept of Health


    https://covid19.shanehastings.eu/api/swabs/


    There are 1038 less cases than positive swabs over the last 31days (~6% of positive swabs do not convert into a positive case), so please explain the difference if that is not how it works at all and why the numbers differ at all.


  • #6958
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    political analyst wrote: »
    According to The Times (UK), Mayo coroner Patrick O'Connor, who acts as public info officer for the Coroners Society of Ireland, claims that the figures given by NPHET for Covid deaths have no scientific basis because recording Covid-19 as the principal cause of death when a person was already terminally ill raised questions about the accuracy of the figures.

    Why would doctors record the cause of the death of a patient who has a terminal condition as Covid even if the patient would have lived only for a few more months at most if the pandemic had not happened?

    because that's what killed them?

    If they got hit with a car, should we record them as " wasn't a car per se, sure they were gonna plop their clogs because of "X" in a few months anyway, we'll stick it down as that"


  • #6959
    jhegarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    political analyst wrote: »
    According to The Times (UK), Mayo coroner Patrick O'Connor, who acts as public info officer for the Coroners Society of Ireland, claims that the figures given by NPHET for Covid deaths have no scientific basis because recording Covid-19 as the principal cause of death when a person was already terminally ill raised questions about the accuracy of the figures.

    Why would doctors record the cause of the death of a patient who has a terminal condition as Covid even if the patient would have lived only for a few more months at most if the pandemic had not happened?

    We will all be dead in 100 years. So why count it as Covid if we going to die anyway.


  • #6960
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,789 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    seamus wrote: »
    Because you record what actually killed them, not what might have.

    If someone with terminal cancer is hit by a bus, you don't say they died of terminal cancer.

    Thats all well and good - but to use a fatality rate for the general population that includes many terminally ill people is fairly disingenuous.

    The current fatality rate of covid is what? 2% of cases?
    How many of those people were terminally ill? Because that skews the figures and greatly exaggerates the risk of death to people who are not terminally ill.


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  • #6961
    bennyineire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭bennyineire


    zebastein wrote: »
    https://covid19.shanehastings.eu/api/swabs/


    There are 1038 less cases than positive swabs over the last 31days (~6% of positive swabs do not convert into a positive case), so please explain the difference if that is not how it works at all and why the numbers differ at all.

    Some people get tested more that once a few days apart to see if they still have the virus


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