Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

faceman wrote: »

Children 6 and under are exempt from MHQ

What if over 6? I assume they will come under the same rules as unaccompanied minors with two options?

Either:

their adult guardian can enter mandatory hotel quarantine with them;
or
if this is not possible their guardian must sign a written undertaking to ensure the child will adhere to quarantine rules under their care at home or in a boarding school

There may be no intention of it ending anytime soon from NPHET, but for the government to hink they can maintain severe border restrictions long term is probably naive. I reckong

The EU won't permit it
National tourism industry pressure will be huge (suspiciously quiet to date)
Media and public opinion will turn (I reckon this is happening already)
Other countries will open and we'll look ridiculous
Migrant workforce pressure will escalate
Court system will be under pressure
The volume of exceptions (and border routes) will grow to it being pointless to maintain

Mr. Karate wrote: »

It doesn't matter what Martin thinks. Its clearly obvious that NPHET is running the Country [no matter how much Martin wants to strut around like a proud peacock claiming he's in charge] They're the De Facto Government and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.

My anger is building more and more each passing day.. i can see young people emmigrating looking for work in other countries like the UK to get out of this fortress to get their freedoms back especially to get a chance to experience travelling again.

If NPHET get their way i have plans to relocate to the USA.

beggars_bush wrote: »

Are you a US citizen?

Dual

eltonyio wrote: »

There may be no intention of it ending anytime soon from NPHET, but for the government to hink they can maintain severe border restrictions long term is probably naive. I reckong

The EU won't permit it
National tourism industry pressure will be huge (suspiciously quiet to date)
Media and public opinion will turn (I reckon this is happening already)
Other countries will open and we'll look ridiculous
Migrant workforce pressure will escalate
Court system will be under pressure
The volume of exceptions (and border routes) will grow to it being pointless to maintain

Add to that, everyone going via the UK or Belfast so they'll lose all control.

I met someone I know on Saturday, who has been all about NPHET, and anti travel, and they told me I should change our flights to Belfast to avoid MHQ this summer. Went on to say how stupid the whole thing is.

eltonyio wrote: »

There may be no intention of it ending anytime soon from NPHET, but for the government to hink they can maintain severe border restrictions long term is probably naive. I reckong

The EU won't permit it
National tourism industry pressure will be huge (suspiciously quiet to date)
Media and public opinion will turn (I reckon this is happening already)
Other countries will open and we'll look ridiculous
Migrant workforce pressure will escalate
Court system will be under pressure
The volume of exceptions (and border routes) will grow to it being pointless to maintain

It is not intended to be long term just until we get a large % vaccinated here. I think that is the right thing to do.

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

Add to that, everyone going via the UK or Belfast so they'll lose all control.

I met someone I know on Saturday, who has been all about NPHET, and anti travel, and they told me I should change our flights to Belfast to avoid MHQ this summer. Went on to say how stupid the whole thing is.

Yeah, that seems to be the general sentiment. All the 'close the airporters' are vanishing from Facebook.

Just the odd one left here.

saabsaab wrote: »

It is not intended to be long term just until we get a large % vaccinated here. I think that is the right thing to do.

We will all have different definitions of what long means, but when we read there were attempts to delay the green cert for months, that is long term in my book.


I think border controls are very sensible - tests or vaccines for sure for the next few months - but a severe quarantine, plus poor implementation of an easily bypassed system is not going to work, or win trust, or keep the public onside. This goes for either those who are pro or anti internment.



The government have somehow managed to achieve the worst of both worlds.


Succumbing to the populist narrative that travel is the problem was wrong, but hopefully they'll change their little minds soon.

'Health secretary Matt Hancock has told MPs India will be added to the UK's coronavirus travel "red list" from 4am on Frida'


I guess we will have to follow.

Mr. Karate wrote: »

I think that's the general sentiment at this stage.

Definitely alot of people will be looking to emigrate [and they know this too hence why the Passport Office is closed] I'm a Dual Citizen and looking to get out of here as well. My Sister may have a job lined up in the States for the Summer. So hopefully that will set the ball in motion of us getting out of here.

And just think you’ll be able to choose from Las Vegas, the rockies, Grand Canyon, Florida, Niagra Falls, route 66 and because we are good boys and girls we might be allowed go to Strand Hill on a wet miserable day.

Now Greece is permitting vaccinated people to avoid quarantine.

1.PERMANENT RESIDENTS OF EU MEMBER STATES AND THE SCHENGEN AGREEMENT,THE UNITED KINGDOM, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE UNITED ARAB
EMIRATES,SERBIA AND THE STATE OF ISRAEL ENTERING GREECE ARE EXCEMPTED FROM QUARANTINE RESTRICTIONS IF
A) A NEGATIVE MOLECULAR TEST (PCR) FOR COVID-19, PERFORMED BY TAKING OROPHARYNGEAL OR NASOPHARYNGEAL SMEAR, UP TO 72 HOURS BEFORE ARRIVAL IS DISPLAYED, OR
THEY HOLD A CERTIFICATE OF VACCINATION, IN ENGLISH, ISSUED BY A PUBLIC AUTHORITY, PROVIDED THAT THE VACCINATION WAS COMPLETED AT LEAST 14 DAYS BEFORE ARRIVAL TO GREECE. PASSENGERS WILL BE SUBJECTED TO RANDOM COVID-19 DIAGNOSTIC RAPID TESTS UPON ARRIVAL.

I can imagine that a lot of big yachts will move into Greece this summer.

smurfjed wrote: »

Now Greece is permitting vaccinated people to avoid quarantine.



I can imagine that a lot of big yachts will move into Greece this summer.

Vaccinated people OR people with a negative PCR dont quarantine .

Meanwhile SD wants vaccinated people to quarantine at home and those with just a negative PCR have to go to prison

saabsaab wrote: »

Was it wrong though? This was recommended due to the variants risk and I don't see a change until that is removed.

Yes it was very wrong in my view. There will always be a variant risk, so unless we close forever....

Also it's so poorly managed it won't keep variants out anyway.

Test or vaccine is sufficient for others, so why not Ireland?

saabsaab wrote: »

NI is to bring in mandatory Q too. How will that work out?

It'll be based on scientific parameters, and will only include high risk countries. I would imagine they'll be few, if any European countries on it. They won't be selected using a magic 8 ball as Donnelly does.

eltonyio wrote: »

Yes it was very wrong in my view. There will always be a variant risk, so unless we close forever....

Also it's so poorly managed it won't keep variants out anyway.

Test or vaccine is sufficient for others, so why not Ireland?

Yup, if we followed the opinions of the various medical professionals, then the country could be closed for years. Someone dies on the roads here pretty much every day. If we all stopped driving we could prevent these deaths, doesn't mean it's practical. I read somewhere this morning that the instance of the Brazilian variant, when taking per head of population, is higher here than in Italy :pac:

The harsher the control measure, the less likely people are to comply. They need to take a more realistic approach, home quarantine, test after 5 days etc. That way people are less likely to use the back door.