Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

LimerickGray · 19-04-2021 01:09PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

So how are cohort 4 still being vaccinated?
Is it just 60-69 in cohort 4 being done with AZ?
Citywest has been busy all week, certainly didn't look like just 60+ aged people there.

there has been nothing said about this. I heard rumours (1 of many) that cohort 4 and 7 were were pushed back to their GP for vaccination after completion of over 70s. I called my GP earlier and its the first he heard of it. He said he is finished with vaccinating once his over 70s are done.
I presume/hope they start cohort 4 back in the MVC next week with phfyzer vaccine - seems logical. I can't see it being pushed back to GP as many will not know what patient is in cohort 4 or 7 as their case is long term with consultant and not really dealing with GP. My GP, although knowing my diagnosis, does not know how much it effects and why I'm in corort 4 - consultant knows

sd1999 · 19-04-2021 01:09PM

ek motor wrote: »

How come less vaccines are administered on Saturdays and Sundays?

Because they've used up most of that week's available supply by Thursday/Friday.

SJFly · 19-04-2021 01:14PM

lucernarian wrote: »

Is there any reason why this shouldn't happen? Worst case is GPs send out appointments to those who don't need them, and they just refuse the duplicate appointment.

I think this would just create more problems, assuming all the remaining over 70s get mopped up in the next couple of weeks. Right now, over 70s know they need to go through their gp and gps know they need to order vaccines for them. Large amounts of cancelled appointments will mean extra work for gps finding people to give the spare doses too, not to mind the outrage it will generate when a gp vaccinates a 58 year old with a spare dose, and a diabetic 59 year old still hasn't received theirs.

is_that_so · 19-04-2021 01:17PM

LimerickGray wrote: »

there has been nothing said about this. I heard rumours (1 of many) that cohort 4 and 7 were were pushed back to their GP for vaccination after completion of over 70s. I called my GP earlier and its the first he heard of it. He said he is finished with vaccinating once his over 70s are done.
I presume/hope they start cohort 4 back in the MVC next week with phfyzer vaccine - seems logical. I can't see it being pushed back to GP as many will not know what patient is in cohort 4 or 7 as their case is long term with consultant and not really dealing with GP. My GP, although knowing my diagnosis, does not know how much it effects and why I'm in corort 4 - consultant knows

The original plans for Group 4 was that it would initially be driven by hospitals and then by GPs. What has slowed it down, apart from supplies, is trying to work out who is in Groups 4 & 7. I don't think there was a general plan to do those groups in MVCs. Pfizer is also needed for 2nd doses. The next few weeks will be the 65-69 cohort anyway, followed by the 60-64 group, so my guess is that anyone else will be completed by GP/hospitals.

Johnboy1951 · 19-04-2021 01:20PM

amandstu wrote: »

Thought they just reduced symptoms.You can ,as far as I know still catch and transmit the virus even after vaccination.

Yes the jab reduces the effect Covid will have on the recipient.
I find it really annoying to hear our 'heads' speak of immunisation by vaccine when that is totally false.

I would have thought that those contributing to a discussion such as this would, at minimum, know what these vaccines are supposed to do, but clearly that is not the case.

Sad really.

But I am unsure as to whether or not there is a small section of the population that
is completely unaffected by the vaccine. If you develop antibodies either from the vaccine or via normal transmission does it automatically follow that you are protected to some degree?

Natural (directly from the virus) immune response is, from what I have read, more potent than that developed by the jab, IF your immune system is working optimally, BUT apparently a large percentage of the population is, to a greater or lesser degree, immuno-compromised, and likely to develop Covid and get ill if they contract the virus.

Strazdas · 19-04-2021 01:21PM

sd1999 wrote: »

Because they've used up most of that week's available supply by Thursday/Friday.

Which makes sense - they try and use up the vaccines as soon as they receive them.

timsey tiger · 19-04-2021 01:24PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Natural (directly from the virus) immune response is, from what I have read, more potent than that developed by the jab, ...

Where did you read that now?

Johnboy1951 · 19-04-2021 01:26PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

Where did you read that now?

Having done a huge amount of reading over the past six monts and more, I do not recollect each and every article I have accessed.

ACitizenErased · 19-04-2021 01:28PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Having done a huge amount of reading over the past six monts and more, I do not recollect each and every article I have accessed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/health/covid-natural-immunity.html

is_that_so · 19-04-2021 01:29PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

Where did you read that now?

It's been suggested in a few places. TBH the problem with it is that it assumes that we all have the same immune systems and that we can endure whatever COVID does to us. Here's a Q&A including commentary on that.

https://www.immunology.org/news/immunity-and-covid-19-what-do-we-know-so-far

Sconsey · 19-04-2021 01:31PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Yes the jab reduces the effect Covid will have on the recipient.
I find it really annoying to hear our 'heads' speak of immunisation by vaccine when that is totally false.

I would have thought that those contributing to a discussion such as this would, at minimum, know what these vaccines are supposed to do, but clearly that is not the case.

Sad really.

Do you understand the difference between the virus and the disease? The vaccine provides immunity from the disease (Covid19) for most people. It can reduce the transmission rates of the virus (Sars-Cov).

ddarcy · 19-04-2021 01:34PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The original plans for Group 4 was that it would initially be driven by hospitals and then by GPs. What has slowed it down, apart from supplies, is trying to work out who is in Groups 4 & 7. I don't think there was a general plan to do those groups in MVCs. Pfizer is also needed for 2nd doses. The next few weeks will be the 65-69 cohort anyway, followed by the 60-64 group, so my guess is that anyone else will be completed by GP/hospitals.

I’m group 7 by definition (hospital literally just cut and paste everyone over to Group 4 though (most likely) or they needed to make up numbers so that the vaccines didn’t go to waste and moved me over) and I was done in a MVC. I think the hospitals just forwarded on the lists to the HSE and they grouped everyone together for a day.

I’m hearing so far only GPs are handling Pfizer for Group 4, but there will have to be a change to the MVCs as well too or the hope JJ can take its place and be used by everyone. Otherwise there will be no need in a few months for MVCs, but it is still months away to plan

Johnboy1951 · 19-04-2021 01:39PM

Sconsey wrote: »

Do you understand the difference between the virus and the disease? The vaccine provides immunity from the disease (Covid19) for most people. It can reduce the transmission rates of the virus (Sars-Cov).

Yes, obviously I do know the difference between the two.

The vaccine does not provide immunity; it provides a reduction in the seriousness of the resultant disease/illness/Covid.
I tend to believe that, as it is what the manufacturers claim to have proven for their products.

If you have something to contradict that I am willing to read it. It would be great if it were so.

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Zipppy · 19-04-2021 01:40PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The original plans for Group 4 was that it would initially be driven by hospitals and then by GPs. What has slowed it down, apart from supplies, is trying to work out who is in Groups 4 & 7. I don't think there was a general plan to do those groups in MVCs. Pfizer is also needed for 2nd doses. The next few weeks will be the 65-69 cohort anyway, followed by the 60-64 group, so my guess is that anyone else will be completed by GP/hospitals.

I'm Group 4, 50s, had vaccination in Aviva cancelled last thurs due to AZ mess...are we saying I'll have to wait until after 60-69s are done?

Johnboy1951 · 19-04-2021 01:43PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/health/covid-natural-immunity.html

Although researchers aren’t sure whether a vaccine or the infection itself produces the stronger immune response, one thing is clear: The vaccine is far safer.

The short answer: We don’t know. But Covid-19 vaccines have predictably prevented illness, and they are a far safer bet, experts said.

So nothing definitive there regarding which response is better.
That you are better off taking the vaccine, mainly because most have no idea how well their immune system is working, is clear.
But please read again what I wrote .....

Natural (directly from the virus) immune response is, from what I have read, more potent than that developed by the jab, IF your immune system is working optimally ...

is_that_so · 19-04-2021 01:46PM

Zipppy wrote: »

I'm Group 4, 50s, had vaccination in Aviva cancelled last thurs due to AZ mess...are we saying I'll have to wait until after 60-69s are done?

It does look like 65-69 are the target for these next few weeks, now that they are all booking themselves in. Good test for the system anyway! Other than that it looks like it's when you hear we have supplies for everyone else. No idea on the 60-64 group BTW, just following what would be a logical path on it, especially with the 80% in June promise.

19-04-2021 01:48PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Yes, obviously I do know the difference between the two.

The vaccine does not provide immunity; it provides a reduction in the seriousness of the resultant disease/illness/Covid.
I tend to believe that, as it is what the manufacturers claim to have proven for their products.

If you have something to contradict that I am willing to read it. It would be great if it were so.

.

That is what was submitted as it would have taken months more to get sufficient data to support the claim of prevention of infection or transmission. This data is now emerging, and what do you know, the vaccine is behaving like a vaccine

Micky 32 · 19-04-2021 01:49PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Having done a huge amount of reading over the past six monts and more, I do not recollect each and every article I have accessed.

I’m curious, will you be taking the vaccine?

is_that_so · 19-04-2021 01:50PM

ddarcy wrote: »

I’m group 7 by definition (hospital literally just cut and paste everyone over to Group 4 though (most likely) or they needed to make up numbers so that the vaccines didn’t go to waste and moved me over) and I was done in a MVC. I think the hospitals just forwarded on the lists to the HSE and they grouped everyone together for a day.

I’m hearing so far only GPs are handling Pfizer for Group 4, but there will have to be a change to the MVCs as well too or the hope JJ can take its place and be used by everyone. Otherwise there will be no need in a few months for MVCs, but it is still months away to plan

Wasn't aware of that extent of MVC involvement with Group 4. Doesn't it depend how many are still remaining in that group? Know of a couple called to their GP this week.

LimerickGray · 19-04-2021 01:53PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The original plans for Group 4 was that it would initially be driven by hospitals and then by GPs. What has slowed it down, apart from supplies, is trying to work out who is in Groups 4 & 7. I don't think there was a general plan to do those groups in MVCs. Pfizer is also needed for 2nd doses. The next few weeks will be the 65-69 cohort anyway, followed by the 60-64 group, so my guess is that anyone else will be completed by GP/hospitals.

they were being done in MVC here locally - cohort 4. Its bizarre that they've moved on to people at less risk and never updated the group at very high risk.

robindch · 19-04-2021 01:54PM

For anybody interested in family/friend experiences:

By now, around 35 of my friends and family have come down with covid resulting in five deaths - three directly (one in Ireland, one in Brazil, one in Russia), plus two where covid was a contributory factor (one in Ireland, one in Russia). Two more of the 35 are suffering from long-term side effects including muscle and joint pain, extreme tiredness, loss of taste and smell and irregular recovery (only taste/smell sensations are sewage/metal/burnt rubber from unrelated things), heart problems and depression. AFAIK, around 15 family and friends have had their first jab, and around five have had their second - no side effects beyond the expected - soreness on the upper arm and mild symptoms which dissipate within a day or two. All are thrilled.

We have one anti-vaxxer in the extended family who has neither scientific nor medical training, but believes herself to be profoundly well informed in both science and medicine. She is a member of a fundamentalist church which, as well as anti-vaccine propaganda, also propagates anti-climate change, creationist, anti-immigrant and anti-semitic rhetoric. Back at the end of January, she told her husband of over 50 years that, if he got vaccinated, she'd "throw him out of the house and refuse to care for him" - and, following months of aggressive propaganda, he appears to believe that the vaccine will likely kill him. Both are refusing to take calls from their GP who has vaccines ready and waiting for the two of them. They're both in their 80's and last week, she re-iterated that she'd "never take a vaccine" with her chin up, her chest out and with a huge grin on her face, like that of a child who'd just managed to defecate into a potty without making too much of a mess.

is_that_so · 19-04-2021 01:59PM

LimerickGray wrote: »

they were being done in MVC here locally - cohort 4. Its bizarre that they've moved on to people at less risk and never updated the group at very high risk.

Yeah, until we got to the first portal group that's how it's been. Based on other posters notifications have come out of the blue. Hopefully, notification may not be too far away. It's in everyone's to get those first 7 groups finished.

Micky 32 · 19-04-2021 02:03PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Worth a read

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1384112892857905154?s=20

Then we have NPHET, if it was up to them we’d never get out of lockdowns or quarantine

https://gript.ie/nphet-tells-high-court-the-vaccines-might-not-work-you-know/?fbclid=IwAR30hz3JCecBahH7Tq06tmvqDRL5oU-kXB_fVsv5blhokQZCZW69igekWcg

“” if NPHET gets its way, the re-opening is years, not months, away.””

firemansam4 · 19-04-2021 02:04PM

embraer170 wrote: »

Sorry to hear. My mom (75-80 age group) finally got her first dose last week. It must be incredibly frustrating to still be waiting to even get an appointment.

celt262 wrote: »

That has to be down to mismanagement of the roll out by the practice more than anything else. I would not be at all happy if that was my parents.

Its very frustrating, and they dont really know whats happening. Doctors keep saying not to call them and that they will be in contact instead.
But when you hear that nearly everyone else in their age group has either had it or at least been given a date of when to get it, something doesn't seem right.

Think I will call the surgery myself if they dont hear anything in the next day or two

Seems that the rollout is going pretty well overall but there seem to be outliers where patients are being left in limbo.

El Weirdo · 19-04-2021 02:08PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

The MVCs are only doing AZ at the moment, probably some complexity in running different booths for Pfizer, by all accounts the MVC are a well oiled machine, might be best not to risk making changes to it, just apply pressure on gps to get the finger out

Some MVCs are also using Moderna this week.

ddarcy · 19-04-2021 02:13PM

Zipppy wrote: »

I'm Group 4, 50s, had vaccination in Aviva cancelled last thurs due to AZ mess...are we saying I'll have to wait until after 60-69s are done?

No I think they have to get it sorted out with GPs or potentially moved into hospital. I believe Beaumont have a clinic set up (not sure if it is MVC though). I’d say you should get sorting this week or early next week.

Zipppy · 19-04-2021 02:18PM

ddarcy wrote: »

No I think they have to get it sorted out with GPs or potentially moved into hospital. I believe Beaumont have a clinic set up (not sure if it is MVC though). I’d say you should get sorting this week or early next week.

Fingers Crossed!

Johnboy1951 · 19-04-2021 02:28PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I’m curious, will you be taking the vaccine?

I have not yet been offered a jab.
I will decide when offered, based on the current information available to me at that time.

The vaccines are still in trial mode, with new information being gathered every day.

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Micky 32 · 19-04-2021 02:32PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I have not yet been offered a jab.
I will decide when offered, based on the current information available to me at that time.

The vaccines are still in trial mode, with new information being gathered every day.

.

Lol, that’s a no then. Your posts make more sense now, i see where it’s going

Johnboy1951 · 19-04-2021 02:33PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Lol, that’s a no then. Your posts make more sense now

You can draw whatever conclusions you wish ...... it does not matter a whit to me how wrong you are!

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