Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

pottokblue · 17-04-2021 05:25PM

No plans for this summer, overseas work might request me to self isolate on return and I refuse to pay staycation prices unless friends/family happy to accomate me sofar it looks like a homecation holiday with better times in 2022 and saving for glastonbury 2025...

saabsaab · 17-04-2021 05:30PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Catherine Martin should now resign.
In other news, high court hearing challenge to MHQ

See below..

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/woman-in-mandatory-quarantine-is-being-held-lawfully-high-court-rules-1.4540547

Frank Bullitt · 17-04-2021 05:40PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

“”The Irish authorities don’t have the IT to track customers who have received the vaccines. They have no verification system. Effectively the Government position was to delay it because there’s no database””

As if that would have been up and running by September.

Christ almighty...almost 18 months will have passed and Ireland, yet again, have nothing ready.

A complete international embarrassment that they can't get anything like this ready in that time frame. What the hell have they been doing? Sitting on their holes and wishing for this to all go away? I just can't get my head around the complete ineptness of this government at times.

caveat emptor · 17-04-2021 05:58PM

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

Christ almighty...almost 18 months will have passed and Ireland, yet again, have nothing ready.

A complete international embarrassment that they can't get anything like this ready in that time frame. What the hell have they been doing? Sitting on their holes and wishing for this to all go away? I just can't get my head around the complete ineptness of this government at times.

It sounds like a massive f*ck up but provided perfect cover for the wink and nod misappropriation that we've seen.

"never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice".

17-04-2021 06:25PM

mmclo wrote: »

Enda, Charlie, Garrett, it's part of our political culture

GazzaL wrote: »

Fianna Fáil are traitorous scumbags, simple as that.

Finna fail, gael, SF can come and go, the civil service is the issue, its being exposed again and again

Anti innovation.

Estonia one of the leaders in europe for digitial

GazzaL · 17-04-2021 06:27PM

Mekhi Clean Teaspoonful wrote: »

Finna fail, gael, SF can come and go, the civil service is the issue, its being exposed again and again

Anti innovation.

Estonia one of the leaders in europe for digitial

True enough, the top brass in the civil service are bigger leaches on society than lifetime dole scroungers.

Mr. Karate · 17-04-2021 06:45PM

Corholio wrote: »

What's everyone's plan for trip away this summer?

I was hoping to go to NY for a couple of weeks in June, but that's probably not happening now.

Del Griffith · 17-04-2021 06:51PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

I was hoping to go to NY for a couple of weeks in June, but that's probably not happening now.

Just go via the uk

Teothican · 17-04-2021 06:55PM

The Continental Op wrote: »

You will also need a negative PCR covid test before you fly back.

do i need a PCR test before i fly from Dublin or just coming back?

Feria40 · 17-04-2021 07:03PM

Hang on, one part of the indo article states:

"The ‘Digital Green Certificates’ will allow people to travel throughout the EU once they are vaccinated"

While earlier in the article it says Negative PCR, immunity or vaccine.

Is this just poor journalism or are they intentionally blurring the lines at this stage?!

Edit: And yes how in the name of F is there not a digital system for tracking vacination. Sweet lord

Corholio · 17-04-2021 07:06PM

Feria40 wrote: »

Hang on, one part of the indo article states:

"The ‘Digital Green Certificates’ will allow people to travel throughout the EU once they are vaccinated"

While earlier in the article it says Negative PCR, immunity or vaccine.

Is this just poor journalism or are they intentionally blurring the lines at this stage?!

It's either deliberate misreporting or just a genuine mistake where they 'round up' the meaning to what most people seem to call it, however inaccurate.

Feria40 · 17-04-2021 07:09PM

Corholio wrote: »

It's either deliberate misreporting or just a genuine mistake where they 'round up' the meaning to what most people seem to call it, however inaccurate.

Yes it seems in every Irish publication it has become a vacination passport. FFS

Don't get me wrong, I'll be first in line when my time comes for the jab but of for example it hasn't come by late summer I will happily travel with a neg PCR

Feria40 · 17-04-2021 07:10PM

So mid July is the compromise. I wonder if member states have a further 'implementation' period on top of that?

GazzaL · 17-04-2021 07:12PM

Feria40 wrote: »

So mid July is the compromise. I wonder if member states have a further 'implementation' period on top of that?

Hopefully not. Hopefully Stevie Donnelly gets shown up even more for his outrageous incompetence.

Ray Donovan · 17-04-2021 07:22PM

Feria40 wrote: »

So mid July is the compromise. I wonder if member states have a further 'implementation' period on top of that?

I was of the opinion that the compromise was its ready to go for start of June but countries get 6 weeks grace to implement it.

Ted_YNWA · 17-04-2021 07:22PM

Mod

Don't start dragging or accusing others of their political allegiances on threads. Posts deleted.

Feria40 · 17-04-2021 07:26PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

I was of the opinion that the compromise was its ready to go for start of June but countries get 6 weeks grace to implement it.

Hope you are right.

Micky 32 · 17-04-2021 11:53PM

“” The High Court has ruled that a South African woman who challenged her detention in hotel quarantine is being detained lawfully.””

“” Mr Justice Brian O'Moore said he had come to the view that the legislation being challenged on her behalf did not breach the Constitution.””

Looks like quarantine is here to stay for sure.

Gael23 · 18-04-2021 06:43AM

Corholio wrote: »

What's everyone's plan for trip away this summer?

Mid may is when UK are hoping to restart international travel so Belfast will come into play, although the inter county travel archaic stubbornness will slow (not stop) that for sure. End of June, start of July is best I can see here with the adversity to the Green Pass, and will probably be later.

Have family and friends abroad (Netherlands, Belgium) some who have suffered adversely in all of this so looking forward to heading to them for a while.

August/September hopefully. Will be a last minute booking though

Crybabygeeks · 18-04-2021 07:37AM

Gael23 wrote: »

August/September hopefully. Will be a last minute booking though

Same as that. Am hopeful that we will get away end august or early September. Should be good value and hopefully less crowds this year if we do manage to escape. That said, I'm not sure I will chance it if MHQ is still hanging around, their ability to change it on a whim is terrifying. Guess via Belfast is probably the way to go....

Del Griffith · 18-04-2021 07:47AM

I see scumbag Donnelly has tweeted that if you are vaccinated you can escape hotel prison now, if you also provide a negative test.

The EU green travel cert will mean you can travel freely with proof of vaccination OR a negative test, but in Ireland apparently you need both. And even then, you're expected to quarantine at home aswell.

Jokers.

I'm perfectly healthy, only reason I'm interested in getting the vaccine is to travel without all that nonsense. If I was only going to Ireland I wouldn't bother with a vaccine now, pointless.

Wallander · 18-04-2021 08:01AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

“” The High Court has ruled that a South African woman who challenged her detention in hotel quarantine is being detained lawfully.””

“” Mr Justice Brian O'Moore said he had come to the view that the legislation being challenged on her behalf did not breach the Constitution.””

Looks like quarantine is here to stay for sure.

I'm not surprised this is the one legal challenge the government decided to see to the end. South Africa is non-EU, has a well-known variant and is also on the UK red list, so the case for saying it should be off Ireland's list isn't too strong.

Legal challenges will no doubt continue for those coming from other countries whose inclusion in the list is pretty dubious!

Wallander · 18-04-2021 08:04AM

Another charming little feature of the hotel quarantine system is casually mentioned in this article:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/state-willpayquarantine-costs-for-people-who-say-theycant-afford-1875-bill-40326145.html

You may have your PCR test within 72 hours of your landing time, but if your flight is delayed and you arrive after the 72 hours - IT'S OFF TO THE CAN FOR YOU!

The Continental Op · 18-04-2021 08:05AM

Slightly off topic but how can people afford these legal challenges? Surely its much cheaper just to do the time quarantine.

faceman · 18-04-2021 08:15AM

Wallander wrote: »

I'm not surprised this is the one legal challenge the government decided to see to the end. South Africa is non-EU, has a well-known variant and is also on the UK red list, so the case for saying it should be off Ireland's list isn't too strong.

Legal challenges will no doubt continue for those coming from other countries whose inclusion in the list is pretty dubious!

Exactly. Her case was a HC single judge review. The “Dubai 2” however have a pending judicial review which will scrutinise things further

eltonyio · 18-04-2021 09:08AM

What's the process 're exemption from hotel quarantine if fully vaccinated?

Does the airline acknowledge it on check in? I.e. do you then not have to have a hotel booking made? Or do you still have to book but then you're exempted and refunded on arrival when border processes check your status?

Also how does an Irish person prove they are vaccinated anyway? Is there a document they would have from their vaccine appointment even? Or do the airlines or border staff make phone calls to check? God love them if so as the HSE themselves havent figured this out yet for their own staff. This could be the next legal challenge. The inability to prove status anyway due to our archaic IT infrastructure.

The gov.ie page isnt updated with any of this but perhaps it's published elsewhere.

The Continental Op · 18-04-2021 09:13AM

I've done the vaccination before travel bit only this week. You get emailed a cert that you show before boarding to prove you have a negative PCR result and have to show it again on arrival.

Its not a particularly fraud proof system but if anyone was thought to be trying to get around it then there is enough security built into the system to trace the the cert. For example you need to register passport details including a picture of your passport, your passport number would be on the cert.

eltonyio · 18-04-2021 09:15AM

Interesting. Who emails you the cert?

The Continental Op · 18-04-2021 09:20AM

eltonyio wrote: »

Interesting. Who emails you the cert?

I did mine through Boots chemist in the UK. They test and send it off then the testing company (Eurofins in this case) send you the cert. You have to register your passport info with the testing company and then Boots check your passport before the test.

It would be easy to falsify a test cert but just as easy to check up and see if a test was false or not. With long queues at travel hubs I don't see there will be too much checking provided the basic details are correct.

If anyone has experience of testing with other companies please post your experience. Boots was expensive but easy once I'd work out how it all worked - you need 2 accounts set up one for the testing company and other for Boots.

eltonyio · 18-04-2021 09:22AM

Oh yeah you're talking about for testing. I mean for being vaccinated. What is the process for proving you are vaccinated?

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