Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

PhilOssophy · 16-04-2021 04:27PM

Multipass wrote: »

He could have 3 or 4, I don’t care, it wouldn’t make me more likely to believe a word the liar says.

Good for you.

stephenjmcd · 16-04-2021 04:32PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Agreed. Deal with those high risk groups first then when it is clearer where they are at, publicise what's next.
Soo much may have changed in the rollout in the next 6 weeks, from spacing vaccine doses, to whether J&J is still on board, that predicting further at this stage is not on.
I do think those 2 journalists and a few others are stirring though.
That Gabija is just painful to listen to, trying to eke sensational headline grabbing statements out of Glynn et Al at the briefings.
They are on to her now though

Thats the thing on the journalists, Paul Reid gave them a headline, Glynn is now wise to it and wouldn't say anything yesterday when she kept at him.

16-04-2021 04:33PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

:rolleyes:

This post could also be called the same crock of ****. This has been discussed ad nauseam here.

My frustration is moreso with the lack of any strategic planning and pinning all hopes on speculative vaccine supplies, meanwhile we languish in level 5 restrictions with the post-Covid economic fallout worsening by the week.

Anyone who thinks that the "lockdown until vaccinated" approach has worked is just not that bright.

firemansam4 · 16-04-2021 04:36PM

You guys are going to love the latest headline on RTE news, a variant with double mutation a cause for concern.
Sounds scary....

http://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0416/1210203-coronavirus-global/

Vicxas · 16-04-2021 04:39PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

You guys are going to love the latest headline on RTE news, a variant with double mutation a cause for concern.
Sounds scary....

http://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0416/1210203-coronavirus-global/

Such an absolute sham of a headline, designed to terrify you.

Turtwig · 16-04-2021 04:41PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

You guys are going to love the latest headline on RTE news, a variant with double mutation a cause for concern.
Sounds scary....

http://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0416/1210203-coronavirus-global/

To be fair to RTÉ the publication Nature has reported on that one in India with a degree of concern too. Not enough is known at this point in time. There is enough to warrant further need for prompt surveillance and follow up.

IRISHSPORTSGUY · 16-04-2021 04:52PM

Moderna cut deliveries due to shortfall of doses in European supply chain. Mentions UK and Canada but I assume it'd also include us because Switzerland is where the EU are getting their doses from?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-16/moderna-cuts-covid-vaccine-supply-forecast-to-u-k-canada

ACitizenErased · 16-04-2021 04:53PM

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Moderna cut deliveries due to shortfall of doses in European supply chain. Mentions UK and Canada but I assume it'd also include us because Switzerland is where the EU are getting their doses from?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-16/moderna-cuts-covid-vaccine-supply-forecast-to-u-k-canada

Might be allocating more to EU to meet contractual demand and taking from Canada and UK

plodder · 16-04-2021 05:12PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

You guys are going to love the latest headline on RTE news, a variant with double mutation a cause for concern.
Sounds scary....

http://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0416/1210203-coronavirus-global/

Article in the New York Times yesterday about the 'scariants' .

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/15/well/live/covid-variants-vaccine.html

The news about coronavirus variants can sound like a horror movie, with references to a “double-mutant” virus, “vaccine-evading” variants and even an “Eek” mutation. One headline warned ominously: “The devil is already here.”

“I use the term ‘scariants,’” said Dr. Eric Topol, professor of molecular medicine at Scripps Research in La Jolla, Calif., referring to much of the media coverage of the variants. “Even my wife was saying, ‘What about this double mutant?’ It drives me nuts. People are scared unnecessarily. If you’re fully vaccinated, two weeks post dose, you shouldn’t have to worry about variants at all.”

Frank Bullitt · 16-04-2021 05:18PM

Looks like Canada is rapidly turning into the clown of the world with cases and vaccines. We have a higher infection rate than the states now and cases are really going up, at least in BC where I currently live.

And with Moderna cutting back expected deliveries, I suspect it will be a long haul, unless they can get a surplus from our neighbours...

firemansam4 · 16-04-2021 05:25PM

plodder wrote: »

Article in the New York Times yesterday about the 'scariants' .

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/15/well/live/covid-variants-vaccine.html

Good article. While there should obviously be proper study and investigation done on any potential variants, It is getting a bit tedious now that some media outlets like to report on the slightest sniff of any new variant that gets discovered.

That RTE article is typical of these kind of stories just causing more concern for people who see it, when as of yet there is no evidence that it could be a concern.

iamwhoiam · 16-04-2021 05:27PM

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

Looks like Canada is rapidly turning into the clown of the world with cases and vaccines. We have a higher infection rate than the states now and cases are really going up, at least in BC where I currently live.

And with Moderna cutting back expected deliveries, I suspect it will be a long haul, unless they can get a surplus from our neighbours...

They dealt with it really well in Whistler . Shut the slopes and restaurants . And are in the throes of vaccinating everyone over 16 in who live or work in Whistler

Mwengwe · 16-04-2021 05:28PM

Two questions - why can't you find this thread on Google?

2- I have a parent with diabetes, seems like they can register on Monday but also so can everyone else of the same age? Have they abandoned the high risk thing now and are just vaccinating by age?

Turtwig · 16-04-2021 05:31PM

The bigger issue with RTÉ and every media outlet jumping on any new variant is that if one comes along that is serious there is a very real risk of the larger public considering it crying wolf.

Goldengirl · 16-04-2021 05:36PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Thats the thing on the journalists, Paul Reid gave them a headline, Glynn is now wise to it and wouldn't say anything yesterday when she kept at him.

Yes . I laugh at the way he looks at his hands when she is going on at him and looks away as soon as the question answered ..hackles up alright

Sanjuro · 16-04-2021 05:38PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

EMA J&J conclusion and recommendations due Tuesday

https://twitter.com/dannyctkemp/status/1383074354913804289?s=19

That's my birthday. If they could go ahead and approve it for use for all, I'd forego any other present, thank you very much.

funnydoggy · 16-04-2021 05:40PM

Sanjuro wrote: »

That's my birthday. If they could go ahead and approve it for use for all, I'd forego any other present, thank you very much.

Knowing me I'll forget so happy birthday for then

bucketybuck · 16-04-2021 05:40PM

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I would actually say the vaccine rollout IS the single most important thing happening in the country.

I would also say, it isn't a valid comparison with the North. For a start, they aren't tied into the supply chain that we are (which was always going to be pot luck whether the UK or EU would do better on this regard). In addition, they had 113 positive tests yesterday - so they aren't exactly at zero covid. We probably had less cases per 100k than them yesterday.

Lastly, I would bet that if the HSE were given 4m doses tomorrow then we'd have such a huge ramp up of innoculations that we'd be done this in no time. Anybody who has been to an MVC says they are like clockwork.

A 96 year old not getting it is possibly a headline grabber without fully knowing why. There's always going to be outliers/edge cases.

The one thing we need - vaccine supply - is the one thing we can't control at the moment. And there is very little the HSE can do about that.

I think overall its working better than people give the (rightly) much maligned HSE credit for.

Like I said, we have such low expectations in this country, prepared to not only accept poor performance but in fact defend it.

I fully expect that in June/July we will still be waiting for the ramp up and still be shrugging our shoulders as we point at "supply" and claim there is nothing we could do.

Sanjuro · 16-04-2021 05:53PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Knowing me I'll forget so happy birthday for then

Why thank you. Don't worry, if the news is good, I'll celebrate! If not, I'll cower in a hole.

Deeper Blue · 16-04-2021 05:53PM

Turtwig wrote: »

The bigger issue with RTÉ and every media outlet jumping on any new variant is that if one comes along that is serious there is a very real risk of the larger public considering it crying wolf.

Good point, we're hearing about a new variant every second day and then there's barely ever another word said about them, bar the SA and Brazil ones. People are probably numb to it already even.

gaming_needs90 · 16-04-2021 05:56PM

My mother just got a text about an Astrazenica vaccine appointment tomorrow (!) in Limerick but she cannot attend as is in hospital in Dublin. The text either has a YES or NO response and lists a mobile number for help from 9-6pm. Have been calling for the last hour and no response. The HSE are beyond useless. Its clear the number is not being manned past a certain time. :mad:

After the thing Varadkar said about being moved to the back of the line if you refuse the AZ vaccine, worried doesn't begin to explain!

funnydoggy · 16-04-2021 06:04PM

gaming_needs90 wrote: »

My mother just got a text about an Astrazenica vaccine appointment tomorrow (!) in Limerick but she cannot attend as is in hospital in Dublin. The text either has a YES or NO response and lists a mobile number for help from 9-6pm. Have been calling for the last hour and no response. The HSE are beyond useless. Its clear the number is not being manned past a certain time. :mad:

After the thing Varadkar said about being moved to the back of the line if you refuse the AZ vaccine, worried doesn't begin to explain!

As far as I remember, Paul Reid did say it was possible to change the date, as in - you won't get pushed to the back of the queue if you reschedule.

I really hope you get onto the phone line. Which phone number is it?

iamwhoiam · 16-04-2021 06:05PM

gaming_needs90 wrote: »

My mother just got a text about an Astrazenica vaccine appointment tomorrow (!) in Limerick but she cannot attend as is in hospital in Dublin. The text either has a YES or NO response and lists a mobile number for help from 9-6pm. Have been calling for the last hour and no response. The HSE are beyond useless. Its clear the number is not being manned past a certain time. :mad:

After the thing Varadkar said about being moved to the back of the line if you refuse the AZ vaccine, worried doesn't begin to explain!

Could someone attend the appointment and explain ? Not ideal but needs must

Is it via the portal ? Then Paul Reid said there would be a way to change a date

Miike · 16-04-2021 06:06PM

gaming_needs90 wrote: »

My mother just got a text about an Astrazenica vaccine appointment tomorrow (!) in Limerick but she cannot attend as is in hospital in Dublin. The text either has a YES or NO response and lists a mobile number for help from 9-6pm. Have been calling for the last hour and no response. The HSE are beyond useless. Its clear the number is not being manned past a certain time. :mad:

After the thing Varadkar said about being moved to the back of the line if you refuse the AZ vaccine, worried doesn't begin to explain!

HSELive is 100% open until 8pm 1850 24 1850. Is this the number you've been calling?

They are going to be up the walls over the launch of the online reg platform but I'd stalk that number.

Frank Bullitt · 16-04-2021 06:10PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

They dealt with it really well in Whistler . Shut the slopes and restaurants . And are in the throes of vaccinating everyone over 16 in who live or work in Whistler

That is like focusing all your efforts on vaccinating Offaly and not the rest of the place.

Micky 32 · 16-04-2021 06:10PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

Good article. While there should obviously be proper study and investigation done on any potential variants, It is getting a bit tedious now that some media outlets like to report on the slightest sniff of any new variant that gets discovered.

That RTE article is typical of these kind of stories just causing more concern for people who see it, when as of yet there is no evidence that it could be a concern.

It’s old news too. I have read about this double penetration or whatever mutant at least a month ago.

iamwhoiam · 16-04-2021 06:11PM

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

That is like focusing all your efforts on vaccinating Offaly and not the rest of the place.

They are doing the same in Revelstoke now I believe

Lumen · 16-04-2021 06:13PM

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

That is like focusing all your efforts on vaccinating Offaly and not the rest of the place.

Ring vaccination is a thing.

Kumejima · 16-04-2021 06:16PM

snotboogie wrote: »

What you have just said doesn't add up to your previous point. You came into this thread aparantly driven by concern about a priest who died shortly after a vaccine and now your concern is long term effects.

It sounds like you have an idealogical pre disposition against vaccines. You are incoherently throwing every bit of negativity against the wall hoping something will stick with someone. People who are much smarter than you, who have spent their whole lives studying this, are recommending population wide vaccination.

Oh I'm sorry? I was incoherent because I was concerned about vaccinations apparently killing someone yet also am concerned about long term health benefits to others who take it? Wtf? I'm concerned about both, yes. What about that doesn't add up?

Dude if this was Nazi Germany and we'd just gotten the order from the authorities to report to the station for transport to new lives on the Eastern Front ( in reality Auschwitz) I'd like to think part of me would have been very hesitant if not downright vehemently against complying.

Your type of argument is "Whats the matter? Are you anti trains? You've been on loads of trains before and nothing bad has ever happened? All the authorities have assured us its going to new lives in the Ukraine? Why are you being so paranoid about a train journey?"

I'm not anti vaccine. I'm anti THIS vaccine for precisely the same reason the jews should have shown more caution. We're being told the destination is health happiness and freedom, but in reality no-one knows where the f*ck the train will end up because, and I repeat,

THERE. ARE. NO. LONG. TERM. STUDIES.

If I'm wrong please please send me a link to the 5-10 year studies proving safety to humans that we normally demand of experimental drugs before they become vaccines.

Before you say Do your own research or its not my job, you guys were asking me for links. I provided one.

If what I have said in capital letters is wrong please provide evidence before you slate me and pour scorn on us poor benighted antivaxxers.

Gettting vaccinated is like stepping on the train with your two suitcases.
Once you get on, thats it. Its going to take you where its taking you. You can't get off, there's no changing at Limerick junction.

There is not one study showing where that train will have taken you in 1 year, in 5 years or in 10 years. But you guys cannot wait to board.

Madness

TomOnBoard · 16-04-2021 06:17PM

Kumejima wrote: »

But its not meant to be a cause of death, either.

Like in this guys case.

Now of course these two events could be COMPLETELY unrelated. Maybe most 96 year old deaths don't occur after weeks if not months of being bedridden and waiting for the end.

Maybe most of them are hale and hearty enough to be up and about getting their photograph taken by the papers on a Monday and are dead on a Friday. Maybe thats how most people 95+ go out.

Maybe you're the kind of guy who can eat in a dodgy curry house and suffer explosive diarrhea 12 hours later and think "Hmm, what could have brought than on out of the blue?"

If conspiracy theorists impose a twisted logic or pattern out of completely random events, most of you guys here are coincidence theorists.

There is a cause and effect which is staring you right in the face, but you put it down to chance. You're so invested in one reality ( vaccines are our saviour), that any negative evidence to the contrary is just dismissed even if its clear as day.

Can't you admit that there might be a link between this man being in fine fettle for 96 years right up to the day of his vaccination and then punching out 3-4 days later? Nothing flagging? Really?

Ridiculous reaching for a link! Nothing further worth wasting my time typing really!

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