Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

saabsaab · 16-04-2021 10:47AM

Klonker wrote: »

I assume the EU vaccination certs would be after you've gotten both doses?

I don't really agree with this. Most here in Ireland will get Pfizer vaccine. Vaccines effectiveness stats can vary but say after first dose 80%+ effective and 90%+ effective after second dose. The first dose does heavy lifting but effectively unvaccinated and one dose person are treated the same even though one dose gives a great level of protection while second dose person are treated differently even though they are marginally better protected than one dose person.

Then if J&J is hopefully unpaused and rolled out, it's one dose vaccine will mean you're fully vaccinated but it's effectiveness is about the same as one dose of Pfizer who won't be fully vaccinated.

I know they want everyome to get both doses and travel certs would be an incentive but its hard to logically justify it in my opinion. What then if we need a third Pfizer shout before end of year as CEO has suggested, are we then not fully vaccinated until we get that shot and can't use the vaccine cert until we get the third dose? And what if we need a yearly dose of the vaccines?

That will probably be the case.

Feria40 · 16-04-2021 10:56AM

Klonker wrote: »

I assume the EU vaccination certs would be after you've gotten both doses?

I don't really agree with this. Most here in Ireland will get Pfizer vaccine. Vaccines effectiveness stats can vary but say after first dose 80%+ effective and 90%+ effective after second dose. The first dose does heavy lifting but effectively unvaccinated and one dose person are treated the same even though one dose gives a great level of protection while second dose person are treated differently even though they are marginally better protected than one dose person.

Then if J&J is hopefully unpaused and rolled out, it's one dose vaccine will mean you're fully vaccinated but it's effectiveness is about the same as one dose of Pfizer who won't be fully vaccinated.

I know they want everyome to get both doses and travel certs would be an incentive but its hard to logically justify it in my opinion. What then if we need a third Pfizer shout before end of year as CEO has suggested, are we then not fully vaccinated until we get that shot and can't use the vaccine cert until we get the third dose? And what if we need a yearly dose of the vaccines?

It's a Green pass not a vacination cert. It is intended to allow unfettered travel within the EU once you have proof of vacination OR proof of prior infection/antibodies OR a negative PCR test

The latter obviously at your own cost.

Booster shots will almost definitely be required for the next couple of years, perhaps at that stage the science may have come up with a way for a longer lasting vaccine

M_Murphy57 · 16-04-2021 11:08AM

Feria40 wrote: »

Thousands of families

I presume this is why the cost of flights from Belfast is shooting up.

Stupid incompetent short sighted decisions from a bad tempered out-of-his-depth narcissist like Donnelly and his weak taoiseach.

dublin_paul · 16-04-2021 11:09AM

When will we stop being fined for travelling abroad for non "essential" reasons?

Wallander · 16-04-2021 11:10AM

Starting to gain traction now...the EU has written to the government calling for less restrictive quarantine measures and has given them 10 days to respond:

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1383012506881421314

It was mentioned on RTE news last night that complaints from citizens were behind the commission getting involved, so well done to those who sent a complaint via the link I shared on this thread!

Feria40 · 16-04-2021 11:11AM

dublin_paul wrote: »

When will we stop being fined for travelling abroad for non "essential" reasons?

Due for review in June I think

Feria40 · 16-04-2021 11:12AM

Wallander wrote: »

Starting to gain traction now...the EU has written to the government calling for less restrictive quarantine measures and has given them 10 days to respond:

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1383012506881421314

It was mentioned on RTE news last night that complaints from citizens were behind the commission getting involved, so well done to those who sent a complaint via the link I shared on this thread!

Good to see but my understanding is that the Commission has no real power and regularly issues such statements with regard to all manner of issues.

dublin_paul · 16-04-2021 11:15AM

Feria40 wrote: »

Due for review in June I think

God... so long away... can't believe we're stuck here still

Feria40 · 16-04-2021 11:16AM

dublin_paul wrote: »

God... so long away... can't believe we're stuck here still

Review in June and I wouldn't rule out an extension with this government

KanyeSouthEast · 16-04-2021 11:20AM

Feria40 wrote: »

Review in June and I wouldn't rule out an extension with this government

Supported by the usual suspects here. And we wonder how the country remained in the dark ages for so long!

16-04-2021 11:23AM

Wallander wrote: »

Starting to gain traction now...the EU has written to the government calling for less restrictive quarantine measures and has given them 10 days to respond:

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1383012506881421314

It was mentioned on RTE news last night that complaints from citizens were behind the commission getting involved, so well done to those who sent a complaint via the link I shared on this thread!

In 2015 the commission said the Irish government were breaching the rights of the Gardai and Defence Forces by not allowing them to join full unions and take industrial action.

6 years later, nothing else. Well done on the little victory. Its completely hollow though as they have zero enforcement powers

16-04-2021 11:24AM

Feria40 wrote: »

Review in June and I wouldn't rule out an extension with this government

I think it will likely be extended too. Albeit with vaccinated people being able to isolate at home and there being various exemptions (also needing to isolate elsewhere). I don’t see that the EU actually has the power to change that and even if they did it would take months. Donnelly knows that he needs to hold his course here, or will likely have to resign.

India not being on the list makes it an absolute farce

Feria40 · 16-04-2021 11:26AM

Just on the EU travel cert, I have seen a couple of reports on my twitter feed today that it has been watered down to allow individual countries to continue to restrict travel.

I imagine however that any country wishing to maintain travel restrictions will need to present a very strong case for doing so.

Otherwise the whole project would be a waste of time

Golfman64 · 16-04-2021 11:41AM

Feria40 wrote: »

Just on the EU travel cert, I have seen a couple of reports on my twitter feed today that it has been watered down to allow individual countries to continue to restrict travel.

I imagine however that any country wishing to maintain travel restrictions will need to present a very strong case for doing so.

Otherwise the whole project would be a waste of time

Was always there but the key is that you must prove why you need the additional restrictions as opposed to having to opt in to the cert.

16-04-2021 12:21PM

Can someone clarify, a vaccinated arrival does not have to go to MHQ, are they still required to isolate at home for 14 days?
Is this just for Irish citizens, EU citizens or all arrivals?

Feria40 · 16-04-2021 12:35PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Can someone clarify, a vaccinated arrival does not have to go to MHQ, are they still required to isolate at home for 14 days?
Is this just for Irish citizens, EU citizens or all arrivals?

All vaccinated arrivals 14 day at home quarantine. Plus negative PCR in advance.

Some might say overkill...others not

16-04-2021 12:37PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Can someone clarify, a vaccinated arrival does not have to go to MHQ, are they still required to isolate at home for 14 days?
Is this just for Irish citizens, EU citizens or all arrivals?

There is no exemption in place yet. Still has to be agreed.

But from what I understand it will be mandatory home quarantine. So still no inbound tourism....just intended to made things less sh1t for residents

Micky 32 · 16-04-2021 12:39PM

Feria40 wrote: »

All vaccinated arrivals 14 day at home quarantine. Plus negative PCR in advance.

Some might say overkill...others not

Lets hope the quarantine list gets smaller as countries progress with their vaccinations.

Micky 32 · 16-04-2021 12:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There is no exemption in place yet. Still has to be agreed.

But from what I understand it will be mandatory home quarantine. So still no inbound tourism....just intended to made things less sh1t for residents

The only reason is to prevent quarantine hotels getting booked out. They aren’t doing it as favours by making it easier for people. This will go on for years. Vaccinated people should not have to do this once most people are vaccinated. This is going to go on and on and on.

Sure according to MM we could be going back into lockdown come winter. It seems the vaccination program is mainly about reducing cases and deaths as much as possible and not aimed to give us our normality back. As Colm Henry said yesterday:

“”The vaccination programme, north and south, is not intended to replace public health measures””

The future looks grim. I feel sorry for people who have familes abroad especially people from countries like Poland . etc.

saabsaab · 16-04-2021 01:17PM

Who will police the mandatory 'home quarantine'?

Backwards move essentially opening the door.

Father Hernandez · 16-04-2021 01:21PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Who will police the mandatory 'home quarantine'?

Backwards move essentially opening the door.

Probably the same people who police your self isolation after you test positive for Covid19.

Hector Savage · 16-04-2021 01:21PM

Good news re Spain
https://english.elpais.com/society/2021-04-16/spain-will-not-require-coronavirus-tests-or-quarantines-for-travelers-arriving-with-vaccination-passports.html

I am still wondering about the situation with children will be though ...

16-04-2021 01:22PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Who will police the mandatory 'home quarantine'?

Backwards move essentially opening the door.

Maybe, just maybe we could continue to get vaccinated and open the **** back up?!?!?!

saabsaab · 16-04-2021 01:31PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Maybe, just maybe we could continue to get vaccinated and open the **** back up?!?!?!

That's the general idea. The 'voluntary quarantine' is a failed idea.

Father Hernandez · 16-04-2021 01:37PM

Whatever side of the fence you're on, can we all just agree that this is a massive fúck up and a huge waste of taxpayer money, time and effort.

MHQ brought in last April/May for everyone I think we could all get on board with.

But bringing it in 12 months later when there is a vaccination programme having already begun with and more holes in MHQ than Swiss cheese is another blunder this utterly terrible government has made since the pandemic began.

I'm happy to see vaccinated people off the list but they can still carry the virus surely so why has it been removed. Rugby players exempt cause they play a couple of games a % of the Irish population want to watch, exempt if you're a government minister, now surrogacy parents, the list goes on. I am not bashing any of the folks on it but surely it's everyone or nothing. As we've been told time and time again, the virus does not discriminate.

Everyday there is something new or some issues, high court challenges. Is it no wonder no other EU country is doing it yet Donnelly has plowed ahead on an ego trip.

Utterly pointless when we share a land border with the UK, serves as a deterrent to travel I get but it's just another crap idea brought in way too late to distract folks from the shambolic vaccine rollout and more controversy that brought.

Is it no wonder they've lost the room, there is zero leadership at a crucial time in this country, still zero plan.

Blut2 · 16-04-2021 01:44PM

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Rugby players exempt cause they play a couple of games a % of the Irish population want to watch, exempt if you're a government minister, now surrogacy parents, the list goes on. I am not bashing any of the folks on it but surely it's everyone or nothing. As we've been told time and time again, the virus does not discriminate.

Its completely morally reprehensible that the government is arguing that flying home to visit a dying parent (or child) isn't worth an exemption from MHQ, but playing a mid-season game of football or rugby that nobody will remember in 12 months time is.

How can anyone who isn't a sociopath seriously defend that position?

saabsaab · 16-04-2021 01:44PM

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Probably the same people who police your self isolation after you test positive for Covid19.

Yes. i.e. No one.

saabsaab · 16-04-2021 01:47PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

As opposed to the resounding success MHQ has been.

Has a single day passed since it's introduction without issues?

Issues can be fixed. It is working new variant cases have been stopped.

BobbyBolivia · 16-04-2021 02:04PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Issues can be fixed. It is working new variant cases have been stopped.

Which 'new variant' cases were stopped?

saabsaab · 16-04-2021 02:16PM

BobbyBolivia wrote: »

Which 'new variant' cases were stopped?

4 variants of concern so far the others were UK variant mainly. Of course many more didn't get here as they decided not to travel.

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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