Private school teachers prioritised for vaccinations

First Up · 15-04-2021 5:50pm

Brendan Bendar wrote:

One would have to surmise a lot of time taken to â€˜exploreâ€™ what should be, in my opinion a fairly run of the mill â€˜inquiryâ€™. ??

That depends on how many factors have occurred to you.

astrofool · 15-04-2021 5:56pm

First Up wrote: »

You would cover half the distance from St Gerard's to the Beacon on the M50 in the time it would take to find another school (and someone to talk to.)

The Beacon's actions will be fully explored, including any mitigating circumstances. I hope the HSE's are too. When both are done, we will know what happened - and why.

If this isn't corruption then we'll have to redefine what the word corruption means because nothing will be corruption anymore.

I would also note that, according to the teacher source, most of the teachers were already at home, so it took even longer to get the people together and get them to the hospital. I'm sure Mr. McCague is on it tho!

First Up · 15-04-2021 6:08pm

astrofool wrote:

If this isn't corruption then we'll have to redefine what the word corruption means because nothing will be corruption anymore.

Yes, you've told us what you think. Let's wait for (all) the facts.

astrofool wrote:

I would also note that, according to the teacher source, most of the teachers were already at home, so it took even longer to get the people together and get them to the hospital. I'm sure Mr. McCague is on it tho!

Do you think the Beacon should have had the home and mobile numbers of all the teachers in all the schools closer than St Gerard's?

astrofool · 15-04-2021 6:14pm

First Up wrote: »

Yes, you've told us what you think. Let's wait for (all) the facts.

Do you think the Beacon should have had the home and mobile numbers of all the teachers in all the schools closer than St Gerard's?

The Beacon shouldn't have needed any teachers numbers because they shouldn't have been ringing teachers.

If the Beacon did need to contact a school for another reason, all schools have phone numbers to ring directly, just as they rang through to the junior school and got the junior principal in this case, who then contacted the senior principal, and then the principals contacted the teachers one by one.

Seems an awfully stupidly slow way to get 20 people together, doesn't it?

First Up · 15-04-2021 6:18pm

astrofool wrote:

Seems an awfully stupidly slow way to get 20 people together, doesn't it?

Neither of us are in a position to form an informed view of that or anything else.

But that horse has been flogged enough already. I'll wait for McCague's findings.

Cyrus · 15-04-2021 6:41pm

astrofool wrote: »

Seems an awfully stupidly slow way to get 20 people together, doesn't it?

Well it was ultimately successful so it would seem not.

caveat emptor · 15-04-2021 6:46pm

First Up wrote: »

Neither of us are in a position to form an informed view of that or anything else.

But that horse has been flogged enough already. I'll wait for McCague's findings.

When will that be. Indefinite I suppose. I don't recall a time being given.

You might be waiting a while :pac:

Cyrus · 15-04-2021 6:47pm

caveat emptor wrote: »

When will that be. Indefinite I suppose. I don't recall a time being given.

You might be waiting a while :pac:

If they have any sense they will string it out let a few more scandals emerge and let the faux outrage die down.

astrofool · 15-04-2021 6:54pm

Cyrus wrote: »

Well it was ultimately successful so it would seem not.

Hence why most people don't believe that time was of the essence, if time was of the essence there is multiple other ways of getting 20 people together faster. Most people believe that Michael Cullen was acting corruptly in ringing his childs school and used the pretense of time pressure as an excuse to give vaccines to people who knew rather than people most at risk of dying from COVID-19. Which makes his behavior particularly abhorrent as he is being trusted to run a hospital. The only hope of which is that this incident is keeping him as far away from patient care as possible as it's clear he doesn't value their lives above buddies of his.

Cyrus · 15-04-2021 6:56pm

astrofool wrote: »

Hence why most people don't believe that time was of the essence, if time was of the essence there is multiple other ways of getting 20 people together faster. Most people believe that Michael Cullen was acting corruptly in ringing his childs school and used the pretense of time pressure as an excuse to give vaccines to people who knew rather than people most at risk of dying from COVID-19. Which makes his behavior particularly abhorrent as he is being trusted to run a hospital. The only hope of which is that this incident is keeping him as far away from patient care as possible as it's clear he doesn't value their lives above buddies of his.

If I was you I’d speak for yourself not most people. And the people trusting him to run the hospital are the owners so it’s up to them as to what happens regarding his ‘behaviour’.

astrofool · 15-04-2021 6:58pm

Cyrus wrote: »

If I was you I’d speak for yourself not most people.

Feel free to run a poll, but responses on this thread are pretty much one way traffic.

Cyrus · 15-04-2021 7:02pm

astrofool wrote: »

Feel free to run a poll, but responses on this thread are pretty much one way traffic.

Certainly has that liveline phone in feel to it alright

Shocking joe

caveat emptor · 15-04-2021 7:39pm

astrofool wrote: »

Hence why most people don't believe that time was of the essence, if time was of the essence there is multiple other ways of getting 20 people together faster. Most people believe that Michael Cullen was acting corruptly in ringing his childs school and used the pretense of time pressure as an excuse to give vaccines to people who knew rather than people most at risk of dying from COVID-19. Which makes his behavior particularly abhorrent as he is being trusted to run a hospital. The only hope of which is that this incident is keeping him as far away from patient care as possible as it's clear he doesn't value their lives above buddies of his.

Are we still not allowed to mention accredited grades? A.K.A teacher who got the vaccine grades?

Cyrus · 15-04-2021 7:54pm

caveat emptor wrote: »

Are we still not allowed to mention accredited grades? A.K.A teacher who got the vaccine grades?

Did the stalker not give the ages of the kids earlier in the thread ?

khalessi · 15-04-2021 8:00pm

caveat emptor wrote: »

Are we still not allowed to mention accredited grades? A.K.A teacher who got the vaccine grades?

Mention away but if I got the vaccine, it wouldnt have made a difference to how I would grade their kids papers and I am sure most if not all the teachers would be the same. Reminds me when I was nursing when a consultants family member would come in and there would be hushed whispers of "that's X's relative". So what, everyone gets treated the same.

What it does do is taint the grade they do get, beause everyone will assume it is because of the vaccine.

Princess Calla · 15-04-2021 8:12pm

Cyrus wrote: »

Did the stalker not give the ages of the kids earlier in the thread ?

Nope!!!!

But the average age for leaving cert is 18/19 so not underage.

Treppen · 15-04-2021 9:04pm

Princess Calla wrote: »

Nope!!!!

But the average age for leaving cert is 18/19 so not underage.

Yup!!! they had it pretty much figured out and info openly on the net. Not a LC going by their reckoning.

AndrewJRenko · 15-04-2021 9:15pm

First Up wrote: »

Do you think the Beacon should have had the home and mobile numbers of all the teachers in all the schools closer than St Gerard's?

I think they should certainly have had a contingency plan ready to go, with no need for a mad panic and strange phone calls to CEO's favourite school.

caveat emptor · 15-04-2021 9:27pm

khalessi wrote: »

Mention away but if I got the vaccine, it wouldnt have made a difference to how I would grade their kids papers and I am sure most if not all the teachers would be the same. Reminds me when I was nursing when a consultants family member would come in and there would be hushed whispers of "that's X's relative". So what, everyone gets treated the same.

What it does do is taint the grade they do get, beause everyone will assume it is because of the vaccine.

Fair play. I don't doubt it. There are good teachers despite the media.

Although this kind of situation has never occurred due to attributable grading.

Likely the tip of the iceberg. If I'm not mistaken the private schools were unfairly treated last time around. By that I meant that the private tution up the exam wasn't factored into the model.

Pissed off a lot of well to do daddys. Best way to deal with that is to not have to deal wit h it.

volchitsa · 16-04-2021 10:24am

Cyrus wrote: »

Certainly has that liveline phone in feel to it alright

Shocking joe

Nobody is on the switchboard choosing which replies to post though, so if the responses are all one-way, it's because that's how that vast majority of people on this site (and any others I've seen) feel about this.

expectationlost · 28-04-2021 2:03pm

Coronavirus outbreak at Bray school in Beacon Hospital vaccine controversy https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/coronavirus-outbreak-at-bray-school-in-beacon-hospital-vaccine-controversy-1.4549995

I see people saying online the tension in the staff room must be even higher! but would they? if these people hadn't got vaccinated even more might have gotten sick, not that justifies what the CEO of the Beacon and his staff did.

khalessi · 28-04-2021 2:07pm

Huge amount of outbreaks in schools this week one school 23 cases another 20 mad stuff

Treppen · 28-04-2021 3:11pm

expectationlost wrote: »

Coronavirus outbreak at Bray school in Beacon Hospital vaccine controversy https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/coronavirus-outbreak-at-bray-school-in-beacon-hospital-vaccine-controversy-1.4549995

I see people saying online the tension in the staff room must be even higher! but would they? if these people hadn't got vaccinated even more might have gotten sick, not that justifies what the CEO of the Beacon and his staff did.

I wonder what criteria did the principal use to pick the 20 teachers?

I'd be ok with a colleague not getting it, but not being called because I wasn't part of the Principal's favourites would annoy me

paulski999 · 28-04-2021 5:15pm

Has any of the reports from the Beacon and HSE been released?

Has been about a month now, couple of phone calls / Zoom meetings would have sorted out the series of events, but then again this is Ireland of the Mahon Tribunals…..

At least the teachers / staff who have now contracted COVID have a clear enough conscience &#55357;&#56847; and can say I didn’t get a #jabfortheboys

khalessi · 28-04-2021 5:21pm

paulski999 wrote: »

Has any of the reports from the Beacon and HSE been released?

Has been about a month now, couple of phone calls / Zoom meetings would have sorted out the series of events, but then again this is Ireland of the Mahon Tribunals…..

At least the teachers / staff who have now contracted COVID have a clear enough conscience �� and can say I didn’t get a #jabfortheboys

If that was me I would be annoyed that Dept are aware of the cases in schools and nothing done. Catching Covid leaves them open to catching Long Covid. The Dept have been shameful in their mismanagement of schools

Brendan Bendar · 28-04-2021 5:30pm

paulski999 wrote: »

Has any of the reports from the Beacon and HSE been released?

Has been about a month now, couple of phone calls / Zoom meetings would have sorted out the series of events, but then again this is Ireland of the Mahon Tribunals…..

At least the teachers / staff who have now contracted COVID have a clear enough conscience �� and can say I didn’t get a #jabfortheboys

Tactics seem to be working........sit tight, say nothing, it will all go away, let the juice drain out of it.

padraig47 · 29-04-2021 8:08am

Wait for Leaving results. Will teachers who got jab be monitored for grades given to children of Beacon staff ? A potential scandal brewing there

Wanderer78 · 29-04-2021 8:10am

padraig47 wrote:

Wait for Leaving results. Will teachers who got jab be monitored for grades given to children of Beacon staff ? A potential scandal brewing there

Ah its gone away, we probably won't hear of this again

Treppen · 03-05-2021 10:09am

padraig47 wrote: »

Wait for Leaving results. Will teachers who got jab be monitored for grades given to children of Beacon staff ? A potential scandal brewing there

It was only one beacon staff member, as far as media reports say.
And even at that his kids weren't in LC year.

72sheep · 15-07-2021 7:45pm

This seems to be taking a very long time - no?

Remember that at the time of this incident, per reporting by RTE et al, Michael was redirecting life-saving vaccines to his personal network. There's been no mention of this investigation since then by our intrepid reporters other than a recent article in the IT which laid the foundations for a verdict that would split the blame between HSE and Beacon. So it looks like Michael, whose sister Pauline also works at Beacon Clinic, will laugh onwards to another day.

Meanwhile over on RTE, 1 Ryan Tubridy last week had a long interview with Ann Marie Cullen, Michael's other sister, about her new music album and her struggles with coming out as a lesbian in later life. Just another microcosm of how our country is run...

expectationlost · 19-07-2021 2:44pm

'good faith' has a terrible reputation

Decision by Beacon Hospital to offer Covid vaccines to teachers ‘made in good faith’

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/decision-by-beacon-hospital-to-offer-covid-vaccines-to-teachers-made-in-good-faith-1.4624677?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

PR and report https://www.beaconhospital.ie/news/independent-review-statement-and-findings/

Cluedo Monopoly · 19-07-2021 5:33pm

A laughable response from the Beacon but what did we expect. The teachers will still have to live with the shame of their selfishness.

ted1 · 19-07-2021 5:39pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633596#Comment_117633596

As do all the HSE staff who work in offices etc

as do all those in country towns where the Dr. Ordered an excess to vaccinate everyone.

the list goes on

Dempo1 · 19-07-2021 5:45pm

So they've justified this disgraceful incident by suggesting it was done in good faith? WTF does that actually mean exactly, what about the wink and nodding, what about senior executives and likely consultants children conveniently attending the private school in question? Just outrageous, disgusting and predictably white washed with zero sanction for those who have influence and connections in the right places.

Utterly Shameless and Shameful.

expectationlost · 19-07-2021 5:50pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633673#Comment_117633673

no mention of why that school

Dempo1 · 19-07-2021 5:52pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633694#Comment_117633694

Indeed, let's not forget numerous public schools between the Beacon and the leafy outskirts of Bray

Dempo1 · 19-07-2021 5:55pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633596#Comment_117633596

I suspect we'd be hard pressed to find any shame in either the Beacon or St Gerards albeit I believe those Teachers at the school who did NOT partake in this Sham are furious & disgusted at being dragged into this shameful incident.

Marcusm · 19-07-2021 8:28pm

I’m more surprised (or perhaps disappointed) that there is no reference to the vaccination of childcare staff including those not on the Beacon site nor indeed in any childcare setting (head office staff) who were reported as having been vaccinated out of turn at the Beacon. Terms of reference were set by the Beacon. I suspect HSE will have a private inquiry.

expectationlost · 19-07-2021 9:03pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117634318#Comment_117634318

the report does mention it

17.The form of report given to HSE on the day after a clinic categorised people who had received vaccines under three headings, Beacon, CHO6 and CHO7. The 20 Bray Teachers were included under the Beacon heading on the information provided to HSE on 24 March. This was the same approach as adopted for other non-CHO cohorts such as people from VHI Health and Wellbeing and MyMedical. It was also the approach adopted in relation to the first staff from Beacon Creche although, in that case, Beacon separately informed HSE by email of the fact that the Creche staff had been vaccinated to avoid doses being wasted.

and the last page

https://www.beaconhospital.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Findings-to-Report-by-Mr-Eugene-McCague-to-the-Non-Executive-Directors-of-the-Beacon.pdf

72sheep · 19-07-2021 9:56pm

Breaking: Eugene McCague has confirmed, after months of rigorous investigation, that Michael Cullen is indeed an honest broker - https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/decision-by-beacon-hospital-to-offer-covid-vaccines-to-teachers-made-in-good-faith-1.4624677

Michael redirected the vaccines, which RTE were broadcasting to the nation as being life-saving, to his network but he was apparently ignorant of the pandemic protocols and acted only "in good faith". HSE are in the clear too [1]. Naturally then there's no action required.

I know I'll sleep easier tonight knowing that depressive Eugene has seen justice done :-)

[1] https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/top-legal-firms-60m-hse-deal-heads-for-courts-26607916.html

Beasty · 19-07-2021 10:01pm

Threads merged

expectationlost · 19-07-2021 11:12pm

Beacon withholds full report into school vaccination controversy

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/beacon-withholds-full-report-into-school-vaccination-controversy-1.4625105 which inlcudes discussion of why that schools was chosen

72sheep · 20-07-2021 11:53pm

Oh look the IT is now pretending to do some real journalism - see 'The Irish Times view on the Beacon hospital vaccine debacle: questions go unanswered'.

But somehow the IT have completely overlooked to set the context: Eugene McCague is not just 'a solicitor' by whom this Beacon report was 'written' - he is the ex-managing partner of Arthur Cox! In addition, Eugene was a HSE board member when the HSE awarded Arthur Cox, where Eugene was a Senior Partner, a 60M Euro contract! (See [1] above.) In other words, Eugene 'sad eyes' McCague is buried up to his Bibi Baskin's in this and the IT senior team 100% know this.

Perhaps if the IT wanted to re-establish some credibility they might publish an article profiling the 'Davy 16' including profile pictures. Ah hang on, that would be in the public service, so no chance then :-)

expectationlost · 21-07-2021 7:05pm

HSE report yet to come https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hse-report-into-beacon-vaccine-controversy-nears-completion-1.4626128

expectationlost · 25-08-2021 12:47pm

School 'acted in good faith' over Beacon vaccine offer

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0825/1242691-coronavirus-vaccine-beacon/

very strange headline they weren't investigating the school were they, it was about the hospital CEO

Brendan Bendar · 25-08-2021 2:55pm

What I’d love to know is how much this ‘investigation’ cost in respect of the taxpayer.

What would have been the expected outcome and what did the parties hope to achieve from such a long ‘investigation’

In other words was it worth it and has anything changed as a result of it?

Was it a waste of money from the very beginning?

Kimbot · 25-08-2021 2:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117801398#Comment_117801398

Well more a case of did the school offer an incentive to the beacon to get their jab I would have thought.

expectationlost · 25-08-2021 3:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117802285#Comment_117802285

no it was the CEO's idea and act to pick that school cos is kids were there.

jacool · 25-08-2021 4:20pm

"The school acted in good faith and on the assurances of the hospital CEO that the offer of the vaccines was entirely legitimate, above board and with the permission of the HSE."

This puts everything back onto the hospital CEO, who made the assurances. I trust he has resigned already.

Especially since "Beacon Hospital CEO Michael Cullen was warned to stick to strict vaccination guidance. The vaccine steering group wrote to all hospital CEOs in the wake of the previous Coombe vaccination controversy. The aim was to identify if there had been “any deviation from this guidance” and outline the “number of staff involved and circumstance around rationale for same”."

expectationlost · 25-08-2021 5:41pm

IT does it aswell, flips the focus to hte school not the CEO https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/hse-found-school-at-centre-of-beacon-vaccine-controversy-just-trying-to-do-the-right-thing-donnelly-1.4656124

letting politicians decide the focus of your article?

Private school teachers prioritised for vaccinations

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