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Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

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  • #1322
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Health11 wrote: »
    Hello, I am a healthcare worker who missed the portal deadline on March 26th. What do i do now to get a vaccine?

    Speak to your line manager.


  • #1323
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Rebelbrowser wrote: »
    Absolutely. By July when people in 30s and 40s are being done you will have lots of (domestic) family holidays clashing with dates.

    Good to know people have their priorities right - world changing pandemic, but I do want to go tho that mobile home in Ballybunion


  • #1324
    Health11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭Health11


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Speak to your line manager.

    Not possible in this instance.


  • #1325
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Health11 wrote: »
    Not possible in this instance.

    Why not? Only other option is to wait until your age group is called.


  • #1326
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Good to know people have their priorities right - world changing pandemic, but I do want to go tho that mobile home in Ballybunion

    The UK system has slot options, people aren't just given a time. If they can do that so can we.

    Life can get in the way of medical appointments. People have caring responsibilities, work commitments, might not have transport, and yes even holiday periods where they might not be at home.

    Bit nasty to dismiss these kind of things when there are easy answers to make sure the system is flexible.


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  • #1327
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The UK system has slot options, people aren't just given a time. If they can do that so can we.

    Life can get in the way of medical appointments. People have caring responsibilities, work commitments, might not have transport, and yes even holiday periods where they might not be at home.

    Bit nasty to dismiss these kind of things when there are easy answers to make sure the system is flexible.

    I heard Paul Reid say that you can’t change the venue or vaccine given but you will have an option to change the date


  • #1328
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,432 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Health11 wrote: »
    Hello, I am a healthcare worker who missed the portal deadline on March 26th. What do i do now to get a vaccine?

    I would try ringing the HSE themselves. As a healthcare worker, you are still a priority case to receive a vaccine....they surely would be able to fit you in somewhere.


  • #1329
    VG31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭VG31


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Good to know people have their priorities right - world changing pandemic, but I do want to go tho that mobile home in Ballybunion

    We should be doing everything we can to encourage high uptake. Simply having a fixed date/time and if you miss it, tough luck attitude is completely counterproductive. Of course there will be people who forget or don't have their priorities right but there are plenty of legitimate reasons also.

    I would happily take a vaccine at 3 or 4 am if offered but I still couldn't absolutely guarantee that I would be able to go if given a fixed date and time.


  • #1330
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The UK system has slot options, people aren't just given a time. If they can do that so can we.

    Life can get in the way of medical appointments. People have caring responsibilities, work commitments, might not have transport, and yes even holiday periods where they might not be at home.

    Bit nasty to dismiss these kind of things when there are easy answers to make sure the system is flexible.

    I am not saying having slots inst desirable, but the priority is shots in arms, not facilitating every whim out there


  • #1331
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    I hope that when Colm Henry comes out with statements like this

    “ The vaccination programme, north and south, is not intended to replace public health measures”” that he doesn’t mean this as permanent post vaccination.


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  • #1332
    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I am not saying having slots inst desirable, but the priority is shots in arms, not facilitating every whim out there

    It's not desirable, it's essential.

    For example in Galway there is one MVC (at the racecourse). This is where the 60s to 69s will be done. For people in some parts of Connemara this will mean a 100+ mile round trip. They won't all have cars/drive. There is very limited public transport, any public transport will drop someone in the city and there's another 30 min trip out to the racecourse. You can't just tell these people, here's your slot, take it or leave it. As another poster said that kind of attitude is completely counterproductive.


  • #1333
    Health11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭Health11


    Strazdas wrote: »
    I would try ringing the HSE themselves. As a healthcare worker, you are still a priority case to receive a vaccine....they surely would be able to fit you in somewhere.

    I just did. They said they will announcing a new healthcare portal in the coming weeks. I am just wondering if I can contact my GP and arrange one?


  • #1334
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    "CureVac currently anticipates completing data submission in time to file for conditional approval of CVnCoV in Q2 2021"

    https://www.curevac.com/en/2021/04/15/curevac-announces-financial-results-and-business-updates-for-the-fourth-quarter-and-full-year-of-2020/


  • #1335
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,789 ✭✭✭✭josip


    VG31 wrote: »
    We should be doing everything we can to encourage high uptake. Simply having a fixed date/time and if you miss it, tough luck attitude is completely counterproductive. Of course there will be people who forget or don't have their priorities right but there are plenty of legitimate reasons also.

    I would happily take a vaccine at 3 or 4 am if offered but I still couldn't absolutely guarantee that I would be able to go if given a fixed date and time.


    True, some European countries who are struggling with vaccine uptake, will set up mobile vaccination points in shopping centres.


  • #1336
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Health11 wrote: »
    I just did. They said they will announcing a new healthcare portal in the coming weeks. I am just wondering if I can contact my GP and arrange one?
    Unless you're in the over 60s or in Group 4, the healthcare one will probably happen faster.


  • #1337
    Godot.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Godot.


    We should query the UK to ask if they fancy swapping some of their Pfizer supply for our AstraZeneca stockpile. .


  • #1338
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,159 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Transport will be an issue for people who can't drive, so I think there should be some flexibility given on venue (as the UK does).

    Someone on the outskirts of Dublin who can't drive can probably get to Croke Park or the Aviva easily enough on public transport. Might not be so easy if they're sent to Citywest.


  • #1339
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's not desirable, it's essential.

    For example in Galway there is one MVC (at the racecourse). This is where the 60s to 69s will be done. For people in some parts of Connemara this will mean a 100+ mile round trip. They won't all have cars/drive. There is very limited public transport, any public transport will drop someone in the city and there's another 30 min trip out to the racecourse. You can't just tell these people, here's your slot, take it or leave it. As another poster said that kind of attitude is completely counterproductive.

    Having only one centre in Galway county is the problem given the size of the county.

    Connemara folk generally have no problem finding their way to the racecourse in July however:p


  • #1340
    IRISHSPORTSGUY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭IRISHSPORTSGUY


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    "CureVac currently anticipates completing data submission in time to file for conditional approval of CVnCoV in Q2 2021"

    https://www.curevac.com/en/2021/04/15/curevac-announces-financial-results-and-business-updates-for-the-fourth-quarter-and-full-year-of-2020/

    Will they be able to hit the ground running though?

    They have been signing up a lot of new partners recently eg: Bayer and Novartis, but will they be able to deliver in good quantities straight away or will the pandemic be as good as over in this country by the time they are delivering at scale?


  • #1341
    Economics101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,244 ✭✭✭Economics101


    For the AZ vaccine there exists some information on clotting which gives us a rough estimation of incidence and risk. It would appear that this might be an issue for females under 50 (and even that is taking a very risk-averse view of the vaccine). For those not in this category, the incidence is vanishingly small, and is even more trivial if you consider that the excess over non-vaccinated people is what matters.

    But for the over-70s what evidence is there of increased risk or reduced effectiveness? Forget the stupid assertions made in a certain German newspaper or the ridiculous comments of Emmanuel Macron. Then main problem a couple of months ago was absence of evidence, mainly due to bad sampling design for the stage 3 trials. Over 65s appear to have been under-represented in the samples to the extent that statistically significant results for this age group were absent. However subsequent experience would appear to indicate robust effectiveness for older people, and there is no emerging evidence of enhanced risk, as far as I am aware.

    Why then is the AZ vaccine not part of the rollout for over 70s? Are we supposed to have evidence-based policies? Maybe at this stage the over 70s are pretty well catered for anyhow, but we seem to have an age-related restriction for which there is no evidence.

    Is it all so that those who make these decisions might seem to lose face if they change things? I'd like a rational explanation.


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  • #1342
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Economics101 wrote: »
    For the AZ vaccine there exists some information on clotting which gives us a rough estimation of incidence and risk. It would appear that this might be an issue for females under 50 (and even that is taking a very risk-averse view of the vaccine). For those not in this category, the incidence is vanishingly small, and is even more trivial if you consider that the excess over non-vaccinated people is what matters.

    But for the over-70s what evidence is there of increased risk or reduced effectiveness? Forget the stupid assertions made in a certain German newspaper or the ridiculous comments of Emmanuel Macron. Then main problem a couple of months ago was absence of evidence, mainly due to bad sampling design for the stage 3 trials. Over 65s appear to have been under-represented in the samples to the extent that statistically significant results for this age group were absent. However subsequent experience would appear to indicate robust effectiveness for older people, and there is no emerging evidence of enhanced risk, as far as I am aware.

    Why then is the AZ vaccine not part of the rollout for over 70s? Are we supposed to have evidence-based policies? Maybe at this stage the over 70s are pretty well catered for anyhow, but we seem to have an age-related restriction for which there is no evidence.

    Is it all so that those who make these decisions might seem to lose face if they change things? I'd like a rational explanation.
    AZ is approved for all over 60.


  • #1343
    lukas8888
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    AZ is approved for all over 60.
    Yes but is not given to the over 70s


  • #1344
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,789 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Economics101 wrote: »
    For the AZ vaccine there exists some information on clotting which gives us a rough estimation of incidence and risk. It would appear that this might be an issue for females under 50 (and even that is taking a very risk-averse view of the vaccine). For those not in this category, the incidence is vanishingly small, and is even more trivial if you consider that the excess over non-vaccinated people is what matters.

    But for the over-70s what evidence is there of increased risk or reduced effectiveness? Forget the stupid assertions made in a certain German newspaper or the ridiculous comments of Emmanuel Macron. Then main problem a couple of months ago was absence of evidence, mainly due to bad sampling design for the stage 3 trials. Over 65s appear to have been under-represented in the samples to the extent that statistically significant results for this age group were absent. However subsequent experience would appear to indicate robust effectiveness for older people, and there is no emerging evidence of enhanced risk, as far as I am aware.

    Why then is the AZ vaccine not part of the rollout for over 70s? Are we supposed to have evidence-based policies? Maybe at this stage the over 70s are pretty well catered for anyhow, but we seem to have an age-related restriction for which there is no evidence.

    Is it all so that those who make these decisions might seem to lose face if they change things? I'd like a rational explanation.


    I think you answered your own question there.
    The evidence that AZ was effective for over 70s only emerged after their program was well under way using Pfizer.


  • #1345
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    lukas8888 wrote: »
    Yes but is not given to the over 70s
    No reason why it shouldn't be or won't in the next week or two


  • #1346
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,189 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    No reason why it shouldn't be or won't in the next week or two

    Likely they'll all be first dosed by then (and they won't mix second doses).

    If they were to start giving the ones who haven't been first dosed yet AZ immediately, I think things would overall balance out and the roadmap wouldn't be delayed by the AZ restrictions (other than over 70s having to wait 12 weeks for second dose).


  • #1347
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,247 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Tánaiste Leo Varadkar has warned that anyone who refuses an AstraZeneca vaccine will have to go to the back of the queue and wait until the entire population is vaccinated to be offered an alternative.
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #1348
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Stark wrote: »
    Likely they'll all be first dosed by then (and they won't mix second doses).

    If they were to start giving the ones who haven't been first dosed yet AZ immediately, I think things would overall balance out and the roadmap wouldn't be delayed by the AZ restrictions (other than over 70s having to wait 12 weeks for second dose).
    Fairly certain some over 70s particularly housebound have gotten AZ already


  • #1349
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,189 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Fairly certain some over 70s particularly housebound have gotten AZ already

    That's good.


  • #1350
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    Just listening to Drivetime, how true is it that the AstraZeneca vaccine is only 10% effective against the SA variant? I refuse to believe that. It’s been taken as fact on the radio just now.


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  • #1351
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Leftwaffe wrote: »
    Just listening to Drivetime, how true is it that the AstraZeneca vaccine is only 10% effective against the SA variant? I refuse to believe that. It’s been taken as fact on the radio just now.
    It's taken from a bogus study. Who said it?


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