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    #32
    Faolchu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭Faolchu


    OP
    1) did you provide your PPS to your former employer?
    2) Did your former employer provide you with their details so you could self register with the revenue?
    3) Have you checked the revenue website to see if they registered you as an employee?

    your moral compass sucks. by all means if you are unhappy about a job then leave. granted no one should work a job they are unhappy in but be a bloody adult about it. Speak to your employer face to face explain your reasons, stick to your guns if you are adamant and if required be it legally or out of common bloody courtesy work your notice period. if you do that no one can touch you.

    now you have walked away from employment leaving your employer stuck. that is their problem not yours. you have continuously emailed and they have not answered so its time to put your big boy pants on and phone/walk in and speak face to face with them. be polite but firm, don't go in being bill big bollox threatening people with the WRC. Keep your powder dry until they refuse what you are entitled to.

    regardless of the outcome to the phone call/face to face email in a summary of what took place. this gives them an opportunity to dispute what you are claiming are the facts of a discussion. you are basically minuting the meeting, that's standard practice and as is standard practice all parties invilved have an opportunity to set the record straight. if they dont respond or dont offer an alternative record of the call/meeting then if it goes legal they cant really come back and say "that never happened" or "i didnt say that" because you gave them a chance to correct the record.

    if after the phone call / face to face they still refuse to engage and pay you. then take what ever legal action you deem appropriate, but I'd start with consulting a solicitor who specialises in employment law


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    #33
    dontmindme
    Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭dontmindme


    GT89 wrote: »
    Ask them politely can you have the money. If they give to you great if not then leave it it's not worth the hassle for a few hundred quid at most. It might be nice to have the money in the short run but in the grand scheme of things it's fcuk all.


    The OP has already told you that they are skint and you want then to write off a few hundred quid...like really?:eek: :rolleyes::cool:

    OP you need to ring and talk to your employer and it also would've been better had you done this before deciding to leave.

    EDIT: Also, going forward, five days is really not long enough to make a decision about a new job unless the conditions are off-the-wall unbearable.


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    #34
    cerateau
    Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭cerateau


    SteM wrote: »
    Does that matter in the context of the problem the OP is having? I made a judgement by using 'He', is that really what you want to discuss or do you have any advice for him/her/it?

    It?


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    #35
    SteM
    Registered Users Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭SteM


    cerateau wrote: »
    I don't think it's cash in hand but either way I don't pay tax so ?


    They still have to do everything above board with the Revenue whether you're taxed on it or not.


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    #36
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users Posts: 25,809 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    cerateau wrote: »
    No, because I was never asked.

    I will ask them for their tax registration number.

    I just thought it would be easier for them to pay me the 400 euro directly to my account without having to register me with revenue then get on the payroll then terminate my employment. So I sent my bank details on via email.

    I don't think it's cash in hand but either way I don't pay tax so ?

    You need to give them your PPS no if you want them to pay you.





    TBH, I think the employer has dodged a bullet here.


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    #37
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    cerateau wrote: »
    No, because I was never asked.

    I will ask them for their tax registration number.

    I just thought it would be easier for them to pay me the 400 euro directly to my account without having to register me with revenue then get on the payroll then terminate my employment. So I sent my bank details on via email.

    I don't think it's cash in hand but either way I don't pay tax so ?

    You've completely lost the high moral ground.

    It needs to be put through payroll. But, you didn't sign a contract - where was €11 per hour mentioned. A contract isn't required within the first week, so the company hasn't done anything legally wrong yet.

    I wouldn't expect to be paid until the paper work is fully tidied up, which may not be soon... due to priorities and... being short staffed.

    BTW, you need to give them YOUR PPS number.


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    #38
    Bicyclette
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭Bicyclette


    cerateau wrote: »
    No, because I was never asked.

    I will ask them for their tax registration number.

    I just thought it would be easier for them to pay me the 400 euro directly to my account without having to register me with revenue then get on the payroll then terminate my employment. So I sent my bank details on via email.

    I don't think it's cash in hand but either way I don't pay tax so ?

    I was sympathetic to you until this bit.

    It doesn't matter if you will be paying tax or not, the employer will be paying PRSI on your behalf. You are entitled to be paid for the time you worked. But you should have provided your employer with your PPSN the day you started work. Workplace Relations will give you advice - you don't need representation to speak to them.

    Take a look at the information below on the "Payment of Wages" Act https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_rights_and_conditions/pay_and_employment/pay_slip.html


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    #39
    Deeec
    Registered Users Posts: 4,835 ✭✭✭Deeec


    cerateau wrote: »
    No, because I was never asked.

    I will ask them for their tax registration number.

    I just thought it would be easier for them to pay me the 400 euro directly to my account without having to register me with revenue then get on the payroll then terminate my employment. So I sent my bank details on via email.

    I don't think it's cash in hand but either way I don't pay tax so ?

    This could be your issue. You need to give them your PPS number. They can register you with revenue through their payroll system. The payment needs to be processed properly regardless if tax, usc, prsi is not deducted.

    Most business's wont pay cash in hand - this is not legal.


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    #40
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,310 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Good for you getting a better job. Companies would ditch their employees just as quick so no shame in dumping them when it suits you.


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    #41
    Eircom_Sucks
    Registered Users Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭Eircom_Sucks


    grow a pair and call them , and if they try wiggle out of paying you , then i'd threaten reporting them ( then they won't want the aggro of an inspection and will pay you )


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    #42
    cerateau
    Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭cerateau


    Faolchu wrote: »
    OP
    1) did you provide your PPS to your former employer?
    2) Did your former employer provide you with their details so you could self register with the revenue?
    3) Have you checked the revenue website to see if they registered you as an employee?

    your moral compass sucks. by all means if you are unhappy about a job then leave. granted no one should work a job they are unhappy in but be a bloody adult about it. Speak to your employer face to face explain your reasons, stick to your guns if you are adamant and if required be it legally or out of common bloody courtesy work your notice period. if you do that no one can touch you.
    1 No 2 No 3 Yes
    I did not need to give notice according to Irish law.

    Your advice is good but it assumes that my employer is approachable.

    I was doing all the **** jobs beyond the scope of the job description, breaking my back for just slightly above minimum wage.

    My moral compass is apparently ****ed because I'm not submissive enough to my employer?

    I'd like to keep everything in writing just so I have a leg to stand on.

    Thank you for your advice tho


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    #43
    SteM
    Registered Users Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭SteM


    Deleted User wrote: »
    is it a he?
    cerateau wrote: »
    It?

    Hey, I'm just covering myself :)


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    #44
    cerateau
    Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭cerateau


    Bicyclette wrote: »
    I was sympathetic to you until this bit.

    It doesn't matter if you will be paying tax or not, the employer will be paying PRSI on your behalf. You are entitled to be paid for the time you worked. But you should have provided your employer with your PPSN the day you started work. Workplace Relations will give you advice - you don't need representation to speak to them.

    Is the employer not under an obligation to ensure he is PRSI compliant and the onus is on him to get relevant info ?


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    #45
    Deeec
    Registered Users Posts: 4,835 ✭✭✭Deeec


    cerateau wrote: »
    Is the employer not under an obligation to ensure he is PRSI compliant and the onus is on him to get relevant info ?

    You have to provide the info to them. They have no means of finding out your tax credits etc if you dont give them your PPS number. They would request this info from you as it gets nearer to payroll date.

    In future you should provide this info on day 1 of your employment.


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    #46
    ontour2
    Registered Users Posts: 133 ✭✭ontour2


    Cerateau,

    You are just not a priority for them which is not surprising but does not mean that they do not need to pay you. If they do not have your PPS number then you can assume there is nothing happening to get you paid.

    As you had no contract, one other option may be to send an invoice to the company for the number of hours multiplied by the rate. In that way, they could just pay it without putting you on the payroll system. All the tax implications become your issue.

    If that does not work for them, it might at least trigger them to resolve via payroll.


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    #47
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 24,986 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Personally I would cut your losses... but I would be embarrassed to start and leave a job within 5 days and even ask to be paid for those days.

    Why ? A person provided them with 40 hours of their time and labour, they deserve to be compensated.

    The employer is quite entitled to feel delighted, overjoyed, disappointed or depressed or whatever emotion they choose at your early and sudden departure...however, they owe you pay for your time working there...


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    #48
    Fionn1952
    Registered Users Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    cerateau wrote: »
    1 No 2 No 3 Yes
    I did not need to give notice according to Irish law.

    Your advice is good but it assumes that my employer is approachable.

    I was doing all the **** jobs beyond the scope of the job description, breaking my back for just slightly above minimum wage.

    My moral compass is apparently ****ed because I'm not submissive enough to my employer?

    I'd like to keep everything in writing just so I have a leg to stand on.

    Thank you for your advice tho

    Being professional is not the same as being submissive. You may not legally be obliged to give notice, but what ever happened to basic manners? Some jobs aren't great, most job descriptions will state other duties as necessary. We aren't talking about being psychologically traumatised here by the sounds of it, just doing something you don't like doing. Such is life when starting out.

    That being said, calls to just write off the weeks work you actually did are just as bad, but when you didn't have the common courtesy to conduct yourself professionally with them, why would you then expect them to drop everything and rush around so you're not inconvenienced?

    Picking up the phone or dropping in and discussing it like an adult would still be my suggestion, but I wouldn't be expecting them to rush anything through outside of normal pay cycles, and I certainly wouldn't be expecting cash in hand, off the books because it might be handier.


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    #49
    Bicyclette
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭Bicyclette


    cerateau wrote: »
    Is the employer not under an obligation to ensure he is PRSI compliant and the onus is on him to get relevant info ?

    You are making very dangerous aspersions here.

    Responsibility goes both ways. You have a responsibility to behave professionally and provide your employer with relevant information.

    You didn't sign a contract but a contract is implied if you turn up at a place of work and provide the employer with labour and the employer actively instructs you to do that labour.

    What was said to you about payment, when you were arranging to work for the employer?


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    #50
    POBox19
    Registered Users Posts: 670 ✭✭✭POBox19


    cerateau wrote: »

    I don't think it's cash in hand but either way I don't pay tax so ?


    How is it that you don't pay tax?

    Perhaps you should just invoice the employer for your services, assuming that you did some productive work in your first week. An employer is responsible for making PRSI returns for employees. In the absence of your tax details they are obligated to withhold tax on 'Emergency Tax' rates which may leave a little for you.

    Given your treatment of the former employer I'd say that they'll just not waste their time with you. Put it down to experience.
    The WRC would most likely laugh you out of the office.


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    #51
    Deeec
    Registered Users Posts: 4,835 ✭✭✭Deeec


    OP you do deserve to be paid but you dealt with the situation very badly. I hope you have learned from this episode - not everything should or can be done by email. You should have had some respect for the employer even though the job was sh*t - alot of minimum wage jobs are sh*t. I hope you get paid soon.


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    #52
    jrosen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭jrosen


    Where you working a back period?
    You have to be added to payroll and its quite likely they will pay you at the same time as all other staff is being paid. Was it weekly/fortnightly pay?

    I would imaging you have not made the best impression with the company and they could be dragging their heels paying you.. You have left them stuck without the decency to have a conversation. Cant say Id be rushing to make you financially whole.


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    #53
    cerateau
    Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭cerateau


    POBox19 wrote: »
    How is it that you don't pay tax?

    Perhaps you should just invoice the employer for your services, assuming that you did some productive work in your first week. An employer is responsible for making PRSI returns for employees. In the absence of your tax details they are obligated to withhold tax on 'Emergency Tax' rates which may leave a little for you.

    Given your treatment of the former employer I'd say that they'll just not waste their time with you. Put it down to experience.
    The WRC would most likely laugh you out of the office.

    I'm a student so I wouldn't be paying income tax. Think it works out as a few euro I'd be paying as PRSI but some here would have me done for tax evasion.

    I don't really care how I came across to my employer given how badly he treated both myself and other employees there. Treat others as you'd like to be treated

    The point is my employer is deliberately ignoring me. He's responsive to emails when he wants to be, such as when I first applied.

    I think people on here their employers too much tbh, that's kinda sad.

    0 per hour is slavery and I'm sure the WRC would love to hear my case.


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    #54
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 18,280 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    cerateau wrote: »
    0 per hour is slavery and I'm sure the WRC would love to hear my case.

    I think you totally should bring a case to the WRC. No question about it, you definitely should do that.


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    #55
    hold my beer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    cerateau wrote: »
    I'm a student so I wouldn't be paying income tax.

    I don't really care how I came across to my employer given how badly he treated both myself and other employees there. Treat others as you'd like to be treated

    The point is my employer is deliberately ignoring me. He's responsive to emails when he wants to be, such as when I first applied.

    I think people on here love work too much tbh, that's kinda sad.

    0 per hour is slavery and I'm sure the WRC would love to hear my case.


    You should be paid for your work. They won't until you provide your PPSN at the very least, so make sure to do that immediately. If they still drag their heals, contact the WRC


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    #56
    cerateau
    Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭cerateau


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    I think you totally should bring a case to the WRC. No question about it, you definitely should do that.

    I was thinking I'd give them to the next pay period so next week to do something.

    I will report them both to Revenue and WRC if it's not resolved by next week then.

    I will send them another email because I need a paper trail and can't stand talking to him and explaining myself because he doesn't deserve any explanation.


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    #57
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    SteM wrote: »
    Does that matter in the context of the problem the OP is having? I made a judgement by using 'He', is that really what you want to discuss or do you have any advice for him/her/it?

    No, I just get irritated with lazy assumptions


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    #58
    h2005
    Registered Users Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭h2005


    If you haven't provided a PPS number how can you be paid? I'd advise sending that today via email and then following up with a phone call. I doubt either Revenue or the WRC will get too excited about this before you've done that. I doubt the WRC will be too excited about this at all really.


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    #59
    FortuneChip
    Registered Users Posts: 2,749 ✭✭✭FortuneChip


    cerateau wrote: »
    I was thinking I'd give them to the next pay period so next week to do something.

    I will report them both to Revenue and WRC if it's not resolved by next week then.

    I will send them another email because I need a paper trail and can't stand talking to him and explaining myself because he doesn't deserve any explanation.

    If it's urgent (i.e, you're skint), why not just ring them?

    Do they have what they require to resolve it? Have you shared the info they need to pay you? Or do they just have your e-mails?

    Did you only become interested in paper trails after you left?
    Contracts of employment etc usually come with some paperwork.


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    #60
    cerateau
    Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭cerateau


    FortuneChip wrote: »
    If it's urgent (i.e, you're skint), why not just ring them?

    Do they have what they require to resolve it? Have you shared the info they need to pay you? Or do they just have your e-mails?

    Did you only become interested in paper trails after you left?
    Contracts of employment etc usually come with some paperwork.

    I received no contract but that I was told I'd be paid every 2nd week and it's 11 an hour.

    I will ring him but it's just awkward and I think it's deliberate to ignore me like this


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    #61
    ratracer
    Registered Users Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭ratracer


    cerateau wrote: »
    I was thinking I'd give them to the next pay period so next week to do something.

    I will report them both to Revenue and WRC if it's not resolved by next week then.

    I will send them another email because I need a paper trail and can't stand talking to him and explaining myself because he doesn't deserve any explanation.

    Hmmm.......two posts above this one you mentioned “treat others as you would like to be treated yourself”....... Does that only work one way? Grow a pair, pick up the phone and talk to whomever in that firm is responsible for payroll.

    There isn’t a company in this country that doesn’t have disgruntled employees and bosses, but they still manage to survive, and sort out issues.


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