Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

15-04-2021 01:51PM

gozunda wrote: »

Does it surprise you that scientists and experts and even non experts like Trudeu can sometimes hold ideas contrary to others experts and scientists and non experts and sometimes even most everyone?

You're using the Sun as source material? Fair enuf they don't even believe the claim.

But Trudeau is the one who calls the shots in Canada, so it matters what he says. And he's not the only one saying it: Johnson is sowing the seeds for an autumn / winter lockdown with his talk of the lockdown being responsible for the fall in case numbers and deaths, and Australia is talking about keeping it borders shut post-vaccination.

I couldn't find another source, but there is a video of him saying it.

Micky 32 · 15-04-2021 01:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

A series of articles talking about how we may need to look at alternative ways to achieve the positive environmental impacts of lockdown is evidence that permanent lockdown is a goal?

Could you imagine trying to sell climate change lockdowns to the American’s :pac:

15-04-2021 01:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The first article describes what a climate lockdown would look like. The article in the Daily Express is about "the prospect of coronavirus-style restrictions being introduced to save the environment". The article in Forbes quotes the authors of a study saying that the world 'can't rely on lockdowns', which I interpret to mean that they will be one of several options. And the World Economic Forum singled out lockdowns specifically when talking about how they believed city life had improved. The articles are about lockdowns being used, or potentially being used, in the context of climate change.

Article 1:

Under a “climate lockdown,” governments would limit private-vehicle use, ban consumption of red meat, and impose extreme energy-saving measures, while fossil-fuel companies would have to stop drilling. To avoid such a scenario, we must overhaul our economic structures and do capitalism differently.

Atricle 2

The dramatic drop in global carbon emissions seen during the early days of the pandemic and global shutdowns would need to be matched every two years for the rest of the decade in order to meet the goals outlined in the Paris climate agreement, according to a new study, though the authors don't recommend that the world rely on “lockdowns” to help battle climate change.

And the rest is the spectator and express attempting foment rage in their brexiteer constituency

gozunda · 15-04-2021 01:57PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But Trudeau is the one who calls the shots in Canada, so it matters what he says. And he's not the only one saying it: Johnson is sowing the seeds for an autumn / winter lockdown with his talk of the lockdown being responsible for the fall in case numbers and deaths, and Australia is talking about keeping it borders shut post-vaccination.

I couldn't find another source, but there is a video of him saying it.

Well according to that article the UK are ignoring him.

I think you believe that any type of restriction is a lockdown. News for ya - not so.

It really does sound like you believe all the world governments have come together simply in order to keep us locked up forever. How about we see what actually pans out before going into believing in a new world order ok?

Silentcorner · 15-04-2021 01:59PM

gozunda wrote: »

Well according to that article the UK are ignoring him.

I think you believe that any type of restriction is a lockdown. News for ya - not so.

It really does sound like you believe all the world governments have come together simply in order to keep us locked up forever. How about we see what actually pans out before going into believing in a new world order ok?

I think that is savvy advice.

We all need to keep an open mind...but that mean's all of us.

15-04-2021 01:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Article 1:

Atricle 2

And the rest is the spectator and express attempting foment rage in their brexiteer constituency

Unless we "overhaul our economic structures and do capitalism differently", whatever that means, climate lockdowns will be required, according to the author. The point is that climate change lockdowns are being written about and floated. Lockdowns can be, and probably will be, used for other reasons.

Do you think it's strange that the World Economic Forum tweeted that lockdowns were improving city life?

15-04-2021 02:01PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Could you imagine trying to sell climate change lockdowns to the American’s :pac:

I think they'd be supported. It'd be about 60:40 or 70:30 in favour, I think. Fear is a very powerful weapon that the media can push.

Micky 32 · 15-04-2021 02:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think they'd be supported. It'd be about 60:40 or 70:30 in favour, I think. Fear is a very powerful weapon that the media can push.

Not a chance. Americans love their freedoms. They never even had proper lockdowns for the pandemic.

timmyntc · 15-04-2021 02:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think they'd be supported. It'd be about 60:40 or 70:30 in favour, I think. Fear is a very powerful weapon that the media can push.

Not a notion they would!
Americans value their freedoms far too much - even the most liberal of Americans would not give up their SUV and their ability to drive everywhere for the sake of the climate.

If they cant agree on gun control which actively leads to people dying every year, not a notion they would agree to restricting far more of their rights based on something they cannot tangibly experience.

LineOfBeauty · 15-04-2021 02:06PM

For Northern Ireland on their post June 1st return of indoor licensed and unlicensed premises, do people think that's caveated with things like limited capacity and table service, or just a straight up return to normal?

PTH2009 · 15-04-2021 02:07PM

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

For Northern Ireland on their post June 1st return of indoor licensed and unlicensed premises, do people think that's caveated with things like limited capacity and table service, or just a straight up return to normal?

Unlicensed premises ? I imagine there for members of certain groups and would not be the jolly places you'd expect

gozunda · 15-04-2021 02:09PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

More like "but but... the pandemic!" from some really.A pandemic which makes a very small number in this country sick, and even fewer that die (both of which are an extremely good thing), and we have now almost fully vaccinated the most vulnerable yet some continue to persist with the notion that there's a deadly plague out there."But... case numbers!" is another one that's used - ever hear the phrase "a difference that makes no difference, IS no difference", because for the majority of people in this country that's what being a case means to them. Many don't even realise they have Covid unless told by a test.Again... 13 months on, less than 5000 deaths in a population of 4.9 million. There were more deaths in a single quarter last year from cancer, dementia and other causes than there have from Covid overall.
Hospitals NOT overrun and only a handful in ICU now, and a year's worth of data and experience with Covid yet the messaging is the same as it was in the early phases last year when we knew nothing about this virus.I genuinely do not understand why some continue to deny the above or for what reasons. It's either a refusal to back down at this stage for fear of losing face, or because they personally are somehow benefitting (saving money WFH, enjoying the extra time with family etc).
If it's because they genuinely believe that Covid is still the deadly killer it was feared to be in February/March 2020 then frankly that just doesn't stack up with the actual data, and they really should turn off RTE and the daily NPHET scaremongering at this stage.When the real extent of the damage that has been done to the economy, employment, communities and mental health comes to light, coupled with the inevitable scandals around the decisions that have been made, and of course the return to austerity to pay for it all, I wonder if they'll still be thinking it was all worth it.

Chst - I only posted three lines :pac:

Yes there is a global PANDEMIC going on atm.

But anyway from all that - what you're saying is that the restrictions are working and we have successfully kept down both the overall rate of infection and the number of deaths. Great stuff and agreed both of which are an extremely good thing!

So why would you like us to return to the **** show of rapidly rising rate of infections that happened here post Christmas 2020 - when even despite a huge increase in healtcare resources - Hospitals were struggling to cope or when in January alone we had more than 1,000 deaths and 100,000 covid cases recorded?

And yes we now have vaccinations. But until we get people vaccinated then the risk remains - as we are now clearly seeing with Germany and France seeing rapid rises in the number of new cases and their healthcare services taking the brunt.

I too genuinely do not understand why some continue to deny the above or for what reasons. It's either a refusal to back down at this stage for fear of losing face, or because they personally are somehow benefitting from denying reality.

More importantly dont take what the media and more importantly social media says as gospel.

LineOfBeauty · 15-04-2021 02:10PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Unlicensed premises ? I imagine there for members of certain groups and would not be the jolly places you'd expect

I've no idea what they are, just used the terminology from the text

"Licensed and unlicensed premises can operate indoors."

But who knows, might be fun

15-04-2021 02:11PM

timmyntc wrote: »

Not a notion they would!
Americans value their freedoms far too much - even the most liberal of Americans would not give up their SUV and their ability to drive everywhere for the sake of the climate.

If they cant agree on gun control which actively leads to people dying every year, not a notion they would agree to restricting far more of their rights based on something they cannot tangibly experience.

But I don't say widely supported. I think it'd be split along party lines, but maybe a bit higher, around 60:40 as opposed to 50:50, which is what the divide in the country seems to be, i.e. half Republican and half Democrat. And I don't think the power of fear can be underestimated.

But I think it's definitely true that support for them would be higher in Europe than in the US, although curiously enough there seems to have been more pushback against lockdowns and restrictions in Europe than in the US. There haven't been that many large protests in the US. I thought there would have been. There have been protests, but they've been fairly small.

15-04-2021 02:12PM

gozunda wrote: »

Well according to that article the UK are ignoring him.

I think you believe that any type of restriction is a lockdown. News for ya - not so.

It really does sound like you believe all the world governments have come together simply in order to keep us locked up forever. How about we see what actually pans out before going into believing in a new world order ok?

You're right that it's best to wait and see. We'll have a better idea in a few months time.

15-04-2021 02:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Unless we "overhaul our economic structures and do capitalism differently", whatever that means, climate lockdowns will be required, according to the author. The point is that climate change lockdowns are being written about and floated. Lockdowns can be, and probably will be, used for other reasons.

Do you think it's strange that the World Economic Forum tweeted that lockdowns were improving city life?

Come off it. They are basically saying big game changing changes are possible should we need them as evidenced by lockdown, and we probably will need some game changing changes to the way we live to combat climate change. This will be through technology if we prioritise it however if we dont act now more extreme action may be needed at some point

TomSweeney · 15-04-2021 02:44PM

Graham wrote: »

Nice to see some good news

Easing restrictions in May 'on track', says Tánaiste

A return to Level 3 restrictions in May would be a step in the right direction.

I'm sure many will be interested to see if this includes;

Restaurants and cafes (including bars or pubs serving food or wet pubs) may remain open for take-away and delivery and outdoor dining or service to an absolute maximum of 15 people.

Quoting this as I think it's the only post by you I've ever thanked !
I might print it and frame it.

Good news either way

ceadaoin. · 15-04-2021 02:49PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But I think it's definitely true that support for them would be higher in Europe than in the US, although curiously enough there seems to have been more pushback against lockdowns and restrictions in Europe than in the US. There haven't been that many large protests in the US. I thought there would have been. There have been protests, but they've been fairly small.

Most of the US hasn't been under any restrictions for months now. Even the places that were, aside from the business closures, nothing was enforced. People were still meeting up the whole time, could travel anywhere they wanted etc . I'm sure things would have been very different if curfews and travel limits were being policed, like in the EU.

darem93 · 15-04-2021 02:51PM

I don't think I'll bother with beer gardens in the North in May because no doubt they'll be all booked up, but indoor pubs in June sounds very promising.

One of the perks of living right beside the border.

Graham · 15-04-2021 03:10PM

TomSweeney wrote: »

Quoting this as I think it's the only post by you I've ever thanked !
I might print it and frame it.

Good news either way

Exactly, we're seeing some really positive movements over the last few weeks with the prospect of more to come.

Case numbers down
R0 down
Hospitalisations down
ICU occupancy down
Restrictions eased
Restrictions to be reduced further over the coming weeks
MHQ for high risk passengers
Vaccination program trundling along and gathering momentum.

There is an unfortunate downside though. All of this good news is quite distressing for some of the doom and gloom merchants and their permanent lockdown rhetoric

PTH2009 · 15-04-2021 03:11PM

Graham wrote: »

Exactly, we're seeing some really positive movements over the last few weeks with the prospect of more to come.

Case numbers down
R0 down
Hospitalisations down
ICU occupancy down
Restrictions eased
Restrictions to be reduced further over the coming weeks
MHQ for high risk passengers
Vaccination program trundling along and gathering momentum.

There is an unfortunate downside though. All of this good news is quite distressing for some of the doom and gloom merchants and their permanent lockdown rhetoric

A lot of the doom and gloom is not always here it's in the media with some influential names spouting on about this and that into 2022 etc

Silentcorner · 15-04-2021 03:17PM

Graham wrote: »

Exactly, we're seeing some really positive movements over the last few weeks with the prospect of more to come.

Case numbers down
R0 down
Hospitalisations down
ICU occupancy down
Restrictions eased
Restrictions to be reduced further over the coming weeks
MHQ for high risk passengers
Vaccination program trundling along and gathering momentum.

There is an unfortunate downside though. All of this good news is quite distressing for some of the doom and gloom merchants and their permanent lockdown rhetoric

Most of which was predicted here two and a half months ago by many posters....but remember the variant scare...that has kept us in level 5 till now...as predicted that was nonsense too.

Graham · 15-04-2021 03:18PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

A lot of the doom and gloom is not always here it's in the media with some influential names spouting on about this and that into 2022 etc

No doubt some of it is. We certainly see much of the negative news posted in this thread with great enthusiasm.

I suspect some struggle to separate the opinion based 'news' from the factual.

retalivity · 15-04-2021 03:29PM

Hotel booked in Belfast for the weekend of May 14th, thank fcuk.
Imagine, eating at a restaurant. From a plate! Can't wait.

arccosh · 15-04-2021 03:33PM

retalivity wrote: »

Hotel booked in Belfast for the weekend of May 14th, thank fcuk.
Imagine, eating at a restaurant. From a plate! Can't wait.

I'm sorry you lost your plates during lockdown

dalyboy · 15-04-2021 03:38PM

retalivity wrote: »

Hotel booked in Belfast for the weekend of May 14th, thank fcuk.
Imagine, eating at a restaurant. From a plate! Can't wait.

I can’t wait to purchase a coffee in an actual CUP instead of those stupid paper take away cups.

Graham · 15-04-2021 03:38PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

remember the variant scare...

Actually that's more good news, thanks.

I guess one of the benefits of the restrictions is new variants haven't really impacted us here outside of the increased transmissibility of the UK variant.

Long may that last.

15-04-2021 03:39PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Most of the US hasn't been under any restrictions for months now. Even the places that were, aside from the business closures, nothing was enforced. People were still meeting up the whole time, could travel anywhere they wanted etc . I'm sure things would have been very different if curfews and travel limits were being policed, like in the EU.

Yes, it's not really good to compare the US with Europe since the restrictions here have been a lot more draconian and have lasted a lot longer.

And, of course, there were states that never had any restrictions.

15-04-2021 03:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Come off it. They are basically saying big game changing changes are possible should we need them as evidenced by lockdown, and we probably will need some game changing changes to the way we live to combat climate change. This will be through technology if we prioritise it however if we dont act now more extreme action may be needed at some point

I don't know. I think they're sowing the seeds for climate lockdowns. The big question for me is whether or not they'd be (widely) supported in Europe. And so many predictions have been made about climate change that have never come to pass: https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

But that's for another thread. Back on topic.

Silentcorner · 15-04-2021 03:43PM

Graham wrote: »

Actually that's more good news, thanks.

I guess one of the benefits of the restrictions is new variants haven't really impacted us here outside of the increased transmissibility of the UK variant.

Long may that last.

Or maybe the UK variant was just more transmissible at a time when viral infections are more transmissible...we'd have been in the same boat now if we went into level 3 at the start of Feb, we should be looking at dropping all restrictions (bar perhaps mass gatherings) as we are now out of our flu season where we were most vulnerable to viral surges...but here we are in level 5.

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