Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

Turtwig · 15-04-2021 11:21AM

Klonker wrote: »

I don't think NIAC should of based their decision on current covid rates in the country. Its like them saying we'd rather longer restrictions than the risk of the AZ vaccine and that shouldn't be their decision to make.

They kind of have to. Raind has already addressed this.

I'd just like to add a link from university of Cambridge for the uk one. It's not our situation. It's similar though and provides a nice illustration on why disease incidence rates matter.

https://wintoncentre.maths.cam.ac.uk/news/communicating-potential-benefits-and-harms-astra-zeneca-covid-19-vaccine/?utm_source=Nature+Briefing&utm_campaign=3d2a836a8c-briefing-dy-20210409&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c9dfd39373-3d2a836a8c-43539745

Well worth the time to read imo.

Russman · 15-04-2021 11:22AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Incidentally I know someone who refused it because they were booked into the Aviva, a 3 hour round trip.

I'd crawl for 3 hours to a vaccination centre to get a shot !

muddypuppy · 15-04-2021 11:22AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Yeah it’s great, vaccinating the health care workers and a lot of the old/vulnerable in this country has made a difference already .Great to see . Shows what these vaccines are capable of especially once we get the masses are done.

Oh absolutely, not trying to claim that vaccines don't work. Just that it's easy to see the effect of a small amount of well placed vaccinations, since there is no huge difference between us and the UK in cases/hospitalizations drop, but there is in number of jabs given. And also that it's hard to see the proper effect (outside of studies) until you open back up, since lockdown will bring the cases down with or without the vaccines.

is_that_so · 15-04-2021 11:25AM

Russman wrote: »

I'd crawl for 3 hours to a vaccination centre to get a shot !

Given there's another centre about 20 minutes away, it's bad planning.

lukas8888 · 15-04-2021 11:28AM

Logged on to vaccination portal just after 10, 1050 ahead of me estimated waiting time to register 12 minutes.Logged off and back again at 11,no queque not even a seconds delay registered all details no problems in a couple of minutes.I am of the opinion as i posted last night that the take up for Astra on the portal is going to be very low of the order of fifty to sixty % of the eligible cohorts

titan18 · 15-04-2021 11:29AM

is_that_so wrote: »

There's really no evidence this is going to happen beyond your speculation. As someone posted earlier they were in queue of 900 or so to register so there is an appetite for vaccination, any vaccination. Incidentally I know someone who refused it because they were booked into the Aviva, a 3 hour round trip.

Possibly but anecdotally I know of a good few who are considering refusing it though at this stage. If the amount I know is repeated across the country, well have a lot refusing it.

I still think best thing the government can do is have Martin take it live on air. He's in that age group and imo it would assure a lot of people of its safety. It's better than having Varadkar threaten people anyway imo.

vienne86 · 15-04-2021 11:31AM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Can 67 year olds register today? I know it says Saturday but wondering if it actually stops you.

I wonder when the system will generate the appointments. You would imagine they will start today for appointments next week?

Why don't you just try...?

morebarn · 15-04-2021 11:36AM

titan18 wrote: »

Might not be new on the dont want a particular vaccine then back of the queue but the decision for it to only be used on one particular age group is (I mean logically if it's not safe for someone who's 59, why is it safe for a 60 year old and they messed up as at the start it wasn't safe for anyone over 70). Add then that other countries are going no it's not safe for our 60 year olds, like Denmark, and I'm amazed how anyone doesn't see why people would be getting skeptical of the AZ vaccine. It being the cheapest one and all the issues around manufacturing doesn't help either.

The stick approach only works if they don't have mass refusals. If something like 20% of the 60s (and i don't know what the percentage will be but there definitely will be people refusing it) then the government has an issue as how do you leave that many people who are a higher risk unvaccinated and vaccinate less risky people instead.

Never mind, that basically threatening that one particular age group to take it or else you wait and take your chances with covid has to be legally dubious that someone is giving their consent properly.

Yes I’m 69 and I agree so much.
I have registered online this morning however, as I feel I might not be called by my GP or hospital consultant.

My husband is a few months older and yesterday received his second Pffizer vaccine. Obviously we are delighted; but really this arbitrary cut off that at 70 he can’t have Astra and yet I am ok to get it, doesn’t sit well with me.

I have Rheumatoid Arthritis and as a result I use a Biological injection so my immune system is very compromised.
But my GP is cutting off vaccines at 70 so I have no guarantee there. On his Facebook page he recommended all younger patients to use online registration.
On inquiring from the practice nurse I was told that in May they will be doing Group 4 and Group 7. All at high risk and very high risk. As she said”looking into a crystal ball” she couldn’t reassure me that I would be called. But there was also a chance my Consultant might call me.
Neither could be guaranteed

So I’m just making sure by registering online.

I should add that those two Groups my GP will do in May will all be with Astra, as the nurse confirmed that.

Meanwhile my sister just informs me that her friend who is a very capable and well functioning person, aged 58 but has a BiPolar Disorder., was phoned by HSE and got her Pffizer jab yesterday!
My sister has same condition and her friend told her to contact HSE and request it now!

I just despair sometimes.

I’m very thankful to be getting any vaccine

I have been very supportive of all the measures since last year.

But I’m tired of it all now.

crossman47 · 15-04-2021 11:36AM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Can 67 year olds register today? I know it says Saturday but wondering if it actually stops you.

I wonder when the system will generate the appointments. You would imagine they will start today for appointments next week?

Any good reason you can't wait? Why not go along with the system?

iamwhoiam · 15-04-2021 11:37AM

You are specifically asked not too and leave it to 69 year olds today .

lbj666 · 15-04-2021 11:38AM

titan18 wrote: »

Possibly but anecdotally I know of a good few who are considering refusing it though at this stage. If the amount I know is repeated across the country, well have a lot refusing it.

I still think best thing the government can do is have Martin take it live on air. He's in that age group and imo it would assure a lot of people of its safety. It's better than having Varadkar threaten people anyway imo.

Let him just get it in his own time, bring a camera if need be but don't make a big deal of it, any hint of it being a publicity stunt can be counterproductive.

stephenjmcd · 15-04-2021 11:39AM

9,500 registered in the first hour according to the HSE.

9,000 online, 500 by phone.

crossman47 · 15-04-2021 11:41AM

morebarn wrote: »

Yes I’m 69 and I agree so much.
I have registered online this morning however, as I feel I might not be called by my GP or hospital consultant.

My husband is a few months older and yesterday received his second Pffizer vaccine. Obviously we are delighted; but really this arbitrary cut off that at 70 he can’t have Astra and yet I am ok to get it, doesn’t sit well with me.

I have Rheumatoid Arthritis and as a result I use a Biological injection so my immune system is very compromised.
But my GP is cutting off vaccines at 70 so I have no guarantee there. On his Facebook page he recommended all younger patients to use online registration.
On inquiring from the practice nurse I was told that in May they will be doing Group 4 and Group 7. All at high risk and very high risk. As she said”looking into a crystal ball” she couldn’t reassure me that I would be called. But there was also a chance my Consultant might call me.
Neither could be guaranteed

So I’m just making sure by registering online.

I should add that those two Groups my GP will do in May will all be with Astra, as the nurse confirmed that.

Meanwhile my sister just informs me that her friend who is a very capable and well functioning person, aged 58 but has a BiPolar Disorder., was phoned by HSE and got her Pffizer jab yesterday!
My sister has same condition and her friend told her to contact HSE and request it now!

I just despair sometimes.

I’m very thankful to be getting any vaccine

I have been very supportive of all the measures since last year.

But I’m tired of it all now.

You really should go ahead and get the AZ if thats whats offered. Its far, far better than risking Covid. Best of luck.

ACitizenErased · 15-04-2021 11:41AM

Per Census 2016, there's roughly 40k aged 69 so 9500 is actually really good in the first hour.

Hurrache · 15-04-2021 11:42AM

lukas8888 wrote: »

Logged on to vaccination portal just after 10, 1050 ahead of me estimated waiting time to register 12 minutes.Logged off and back again at 11,no queque not even a seconds delay registered all details no problems in a couple of minutes.I am of the opinion as i posted last night that the take up for Astra on the portal is going to be very low of the order of fifty to sixty % of the eligible cohorts

No quite sure you understand how any system works. Just because you weren't put in a virtual queue doesn't mean there weren't a load of other people registering.

The queue only kicks in when the processing capacity is reached, it doesn't just do one person at a time.

titan18 · 15-04-2021 11:43AM

lbj666 wrote: »

Let him just get it in his own time, bring a camera if need be but don't make a big deal of it, any hint of it being a publicity stunt can be counterproductive.

I disagree. I think it will make people feel a lot safer on AZ if he took it, and he's in the age group, so medically it's deemed safe for him. It might get a lot of potential refusals to be willing to take it.

josip · 15-04-2021 11:43AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1382631973739491328?s=21

Surprised at Luke O'Neill retweeting the Spectator.
Wouldn't the Spectator data have had a medical origin that he could have used instead?

crossman47 · 15-04-2021 11:44AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

9,500 registered in the first hour according to the HSE.

9,000 online, 500 by phone.

About one quarter of 69 year olds. Good going.

ACitizenErased · 15-04-2021 11:44AM

titan18 wrote: »

I disagree. I think it will make people feel a lot safer on AZ if he took it, and he's in the age group, so medically it's deemed safe for him. It might get a lot of potential refusals to be willing to take it.

It's not his turn. Current group is all those aged 65-69. Up to 64 is age-based after group 7.

Stark · 15-04-2021 11:46AM

josip wrote: »

Surprised at Luke O'Neill retweeting the Spectator.
Wouldn't the Spectator data have had medical origin that he could have used instead?

"Good news everyone, the Tory policy is working wonderfully!".

15-04-2021 11:47AM

Russman wrote: »

I'd crawl for 3 hours to a vaccination centre to get a shot !

I would recommend walking, cycling, public transport or the car, but each to their own. :P

josip · 15-04-2021 11:48AM

titan18 wrote: »

Might not be new on the dont want a particular vaccine then back of the queue but the decision for it to only be used on one particular age group is (I mean logically if it's not safe for someone who's 59, why is it safe for a 60 year old and they messed up as at the start it wasn't safe for anyone over 70). Add then that other countries are going no it's not safe for our 60 year olds, like Denmark, and I'm amazed how anyone doesn't see why people would be getting skeptical of the AZ vaccine. It being the cheapest one and all the issues around manufacturing doesn't help either.

You've got to have thresholds and cutoff points somewhere.
Why is it ok to drive at 120 on a motorway in Ireland, but not 121. But 130 is ok in some other countries.
Why can someone who is 18 years old and 0 days vote, but someone who is 17 years and 364 days old can't?
....
We've accepted these cutoff points in our lives for generations.

sd1999 · 15-04-2021 11:48AM

morebarn wrote: »

Yes I’m 69 and I agree so much.
I have registered online this morning however, as I feel I might not be called by my GP or hospital consultant.

My husband is a few months older and yesterday received his second Pffizer vaccine. Obviously we are delighted; but really this arbitrary cut off that at 70 he can’t have Astra and yet I am ok to get it, doesn’t sit well with me.

I have Rheumatoid Arthritis and as a result I use a Biological injection so my immune system is very compromised.
But my GP is cutting off vaccines at 70 so I have no guarantee there. On his Facebook page he recommended all younger patients to use online registration.
On inquiring from the practice nurse I was told that in May they will be doing Group 4 and Group 7. All at high risk and very high risk. As she said”looking into a crystal ball” she couldn’t reassure me that I would be called. But there was also a chance my Consultant might call me.
Neither could be guaranteed

So I’m just making sure by registering online.

I should add that those two Groups my GP will do in May will all be with Astra, as the nurse confirmed that.

Meanwhile my sister just informs me that her friend who is a very capable and well functioning person, aged 58 but has a BiPolar Disorder., was phoned by HSE and got her Pffizer jab yesterday!
My sister has same condition and her friend told her to contact HSE and request it now!

I just despair sometimes.

I’m very thankful to be getting any vaccine

I have been very supportive of all the measures since last year.

But I’m tired of it all now.

The cuttoff may seem arbritrary but there needs to be a definitve cut off point. For instance if people who were 69 said "Well we're only a year younger than the cut off so an exception should be made for us". Then people who are 68 say "Well we're only a year younger than all those 69 year olds who just got Pfizer" and the cycle keeps going down. On a human level, yes the cut-offs do seem a bit ridiculous but they're the only way to do it on an administrative level. Same argument for BMI regarding Cohort 4 and 7. If you're BMI is 40 you're in 4 but if it's 39 your in 7. There's very little material difference and both are pretty much at the same risk but the cut off needs to be there. In these cases there will always be people on the edge of either side and it is unfortunate but there's not much that can be done.

trellheim · 15-04-2021 11:50AM

Last week was a new high for vaccinations - 135,333 shots completed.

Previous high 129546 the week before, and 126,000 odd the week before that. lets see where we go.

is_that_so · 15-04-2021 11:50AM

sd1999 wrote: »

The cuttoff may seem arbritrary but there needs to be a definitve cut off point. For instance if people who were 69 said "Well we're only a year younger than the cut off so an exception should be made for us". Then people who are 68 say "Well we're only a year younger than all those 69 year olds who just got Pfizer" and the cycle keeps going down. On a human level, yes the cut-offs do seem a bit ridiculous but they're the only way to do it on an administrative level. Same argument for BMI regarding Cohort 4 and 7. If you're BMI is 40 you're in 4 but if it's 39 your in 7. There's very little material difference and both are pretty much at the same risk but the cut off needs to be there. In these cases there will always be people on the edge of either side and it is unfortunate but there's not much that can be done.

I would have thought the thinking would be more "When am I getting A vaccine?"!

is_that_so · 15-04-2021 11:51AM

trellheim wrote: »

Last week was a new high for vaccinations - 135,333 shots completed.

Previous high 129546 the week before, and 126,000 odd the week before that. lets see where we go.

Too much good news - some people may need to go lie down!

sd1999 · 15-04-2021 11:52AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's not his turn. Current group is all those aged 65-69. Up to 64 is age-based after group 7.

I suppose he could confirm that when his time comes, he'll be getting AZ?

trellheim · 15-04-2021 11:52AM

there's not much that can be done

bull. Phone them up and keep phoning people, be the squeaky wheel.

ACitizenErased · 15-04-2021 11:52AM

sd1999 wrote: »

I suppose he could confirm that when his time comes, he'll be getting AZ?

He doesn't get a choice so he'll get what he's given on the day

Hurrache · 15-04-2021 11:52AM

sd1999 wrote: »

I suppose he could confirm that when his time comes, he'll be getting AZ?

He doesn't get a choice.

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