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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #6152
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Aside from the interminable doom and gloom:

    1.1 million doses of vaccine administered.

    Does that figure include both doses?


  • #6153
    ddarcy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭ddarcy


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Does that figure include both doses?

    Yes. The Covid app says:
    First dose: 758k
    Second dose: 317k

    Numbers through the 12th.

    So 758k have received at least one dose (~15%) of the population


  • #6154
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,376 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    ddarcy wrote: »
    Yes. The Covid app says:
    First dose: 758k
    Second dose: 317k

    Numbers through the 12th.

    So 758k have received at least one dose (~15%) of the population

    Feels so slow,halfway through April and still no significant ramp up,not withstanding the issues with AZ and J&J yesterday


  • #6155
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Aside from the interminable doom and gloom:

    1.1 million doses of vaccine administered.

    Three posts later:
    giveitholly wrote: »
    Feels so slow,halfway through April and still no significant ramp up,not withstanding the issues with AZ and J&J yesterday

    ...and we're already back to the doom and gloom.


  • #6156
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,376 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    ...and we're already back to the doom and gloom.

    Not trying to be gloomy but the figures the last two days don't inspire confidence,it always seems to be next week when we see the ramp up,Could you honestly see 860k vaccines being administered in April even if AZ hadn't been stopped for under 60s and there was no pause on J&J


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  • #6157
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,471 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Not trying to be gloomy but the figures the last two days don't inspire confidence,it always seems to be next week when we see the ramp up,Could you honestly see 860k vaccines being administered in April even if AZ hadn't been stopped for under 60s and there was no pause on J&J

    J&J is insignificant numbers this month.

    AZ will get going again next week with the over 65s.

    Will we hit 180k this week, nope because of the stop. Probably over 100k next week depending on the logicistical changes needed.


  • #6158
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    ddarcy wrote: »
    Yes. The Covid app says:
    First dose: 758k
    Second dose: 317k

    Numbers through the 12th.

    So 758k have received at least one dose (~15%) of the population


    That's 758 with first dose and approx 250,000 already had it....Would it be fair to say 1 million already have some type of protection?? Or maybe not?


  • #6159
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,484 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    That's 758 with first dose and approx 250,000 already had it....Would it be fair to say 1 million already have some type of protection?? Or maybe not?

    Not. 758k have at least one dose.


  • #6160
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Walk in testing centre starting in Dunmanway



    https://www.corkcoco.ie/en/news/covid-19-test-asymptomatic-people-now-available-dunmanway-centre?fbclid=IwAR3hVTdDdwS8K2_DzJj5lMeIby0UwQCEcaZHQv_8QeTzaybicPtpRvx94QI


  • #6161
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Despite the low levels of the South African variant in UK it's growing quite quickly. We might get a lot more data on how effective AZ vaccine is against it given the number of people innoculated there with that vaccine. South African cancelled their order of AZ and didn't use the doses they had based on clinical trial data that showed it didn't stop mild or moderate in a youngish trial participants. No evidence on hospitalisations or death as didn't occur in either arm of trial.


    B.1.351 is a successful lineage in South Africa and is becoming successful internationally, including in Europe. It remains at a low prevalence in England.
    Monitoring is required as lockdown eases and the vaccinated population increases.

    There is increasingly robust laboratory data supporting antigenic distance between B.1.351 and older viruses,
    and there is clinical trial evidence of a reduction in vaccine efficacy relating to infection,
    but insufficient evidence to assess any impact on prevention of severe disease or death.

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    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/975742/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_8_England.pdf


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  • #6162
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    Lumen wrote: »
    Not. 758k have at least one dose.


    I mean like 250,000 have antibodies as they already have gotten it and have some type of protection.....Hence a million....No???


  • #6163
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,484 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    I mean like 250,000 have antibodies as they already have gotten it and have some type of protection.....Hence a million....No???

    Ah, gotcha. More like 200k, since post-infection immunity only lasts about six months.

    Although there are another cohort of people who've been infected but haven't been a confirmed case. Dunno what level of immunity they have though.


  • #6164
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    Lumen wrote: »
    Ah, gotcha. More like 200k, since post-infection immunity only lasts about six months.

    Although there are another cohort of people who've been infected but haven't been a confirmed case. Dunno what level of immunity they have though.


    Yeah defo not saying my figures are exact science - far from it....


    Maybe trying to be too positive :)


  • #6165
    kleiner feigling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭kleiner feigling


    Lumen wrote: »
    Ah, gotcha. More like 200k, since post-infection immunity only lasts about six months.

    Although there are another cohort of people who've been infected but haven't been a confirmed case. Dunno what level of immunity they have though.

    It'll be interesting to see how immunity holds up over time (natural and vaccine-induced).
    Its scary to think that the vulnerable who've been vaccinated recently might not have great protection come winter.
    Much like the flu, I think we'll have to get used to covid being a normal part of life that we manage with an annual vaccination program for those who need the protection.


  • #6166
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,644 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    CoronaBlocker wrote: »
    Most of us were never at risk at all.


    Most were never at risk of death.
    Long Covid is a significant cause of chronic illness and one third of people who get Covid have some psychiatric and neurological effects.

    Large numbers of cases would mean significant illness in the population even if nobody died.

    None if this is necessary if people will just stall the ball for few weeks until the vaccinations are completed.


  • #6167
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Lumen wrote: »
    Ah, gotcha. More like 200k, since post-infection immunity only lasts about six months.

    Although there are another cohort of people who've been infected but haven't been a confirmed case. Dunno what level of immunity they have though.


    Post-infection anti-bodies may last six months but post infection immunity is a different thing. In the Singapore sars covid 1 reactive T cells were found in SARS patients 17 years after infection.

    I think there was three times the amount of infection in the general population compared to those that actually were reported as testing positive when a wider cohort was tested. Those tests were done in the first wave in Dublin and Sligo.

    In parts of Dublin in the covid walk-in test centers around 6% were testing positive.


  • #6168
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,302 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1382303376159997952


  • #6169
    Herb Powell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    Most were never at risk of death.
    Long Covid is a significant cause of chronic illness and one third of people who get Covid have some psychiatric and neurological effects.

    Large numbers of cases would mean significant illness in the population even if nobody died.

    None if this is necessary if people will just stall the ball for few weeks until the vaccinations are completed.

    Really not as simple as that now is it? It's been just a few weeks for how long now? To be clear I'm not hopping on the "open it all up" bandwagon and I know full well the situation is unfortunately precarious, but that just feels like cheapening people's experience of how tough this is to maintain. As if it's a fuccking moral failing en masse or something


  • #6170
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 543 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Despite the low levels of the South African variant in UK it's growing quite quickly. We might get a lot more data on how effective AZ vaccine is against it given the number of people innoculated there with that vaccine. South African cancelled their order of AZ and didn't use the doses they had based on clinical trial data that showed it didn't stop mild or moderate in a youngish trial participants. No evidence on hospitalisations or death as didn't occur in either arm of trial. ]

    Not really. B.1.351 has been pretty stable in the UK for a quite a while now.

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    According to SAGE most of the cases are linked with travel. There doesn't seem to be significant growth in the community.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/977097/S1179_SAGE_85_Meeting.pdf

    Looking at Europe you can see over half of all cases of B.1.351 and P.1 are in France and Turkey. Even so they're either stable or declining across the continent. That doesn't say that won't change in future but as it stands neither variant seems to be gaining ground.

    https://twitter.com/EvilDoctorK/status/1380551074218643456?s=20


  • #6171
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,629 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Eod100 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1382303376159997952

    Pfizer to the rescue again!


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  • #6172
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,236 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    Most were never at risk of death.
    Long Covid is a significant cause of chronic illness and one third of people who get Covid have some psychiatric and neurological effects.

    Large numbers of cases would mean significant illness in the population even if nobody died.

    None if this is necessary if people will just stall the ball for few weeks until the vaccinations are completed.

    Can you bottle some of that optimism that you have and share it around to the rest of us please.


  • #6173
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    seamus wrote: »
    In other news, the official number of people in hospital this morning is 192.

    This is a phenomenal number.

    Why? Because hospital numbers have only been lower than 192, once in the last six months.

    And this number will continue dropping this week.

    Last nights 187 was the lowest 8pm figure since 9th October


  • #6174
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Hardyn wrote: »
    Not really. B.1.351 has been pretty stable in the UK for a quite a while now.

    EykBTm0XEAQRj8z?format=jpg&name=small

    According to SAGE most of the cases are linked with travel. There doesn't seem to be significant growth in the community.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/977097/S1179_SAGE_85_Meeting.pdf

    Looking at Europe you can see over half of all cases of B.1.351 and P.1 are in France and Turkey. Even so they're either stable or declining across the continent. That doesn't say that won't change in future but as it stands neither variant seems to be gaining ground in Europe.
    https://twitter.com/EvilDoctorK/status/1380551074218643456?s=20


    Sure that makes sense. Numbers are low also. They were stable under restrictions but will be one to watch as they are open now albeit in a limited way.

    Non pharmaceutical intervention are being lifted now so we will find out I guess. The assumption is the vaccines will prevent spread. If their major vaccine doesn't prevent spread of this variant it will quickly become dominant.

    I take your point though.


  • #6175
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    Most were never at risk of death.
    Long Covid is a significant cause of chronic illness and one third of people who get Covid have some psychiatric and neurological effects.

    Large numbers of cases would mean significant illness in the population even if nobody died.

    None if this is necessary if people will just stall the ball for few weeks until the vaccinations are completed.

    Sounds like goalposts shifting. So now it’s not just about deaths and avoiding hospitals getting overwhelmed... we need to stop sickness.

    Do you have any source to back up that large numbers of the population would be significantly sick without dying? Everyone I know that caught Covid recovered very quickly. And I know of a few clusters.

    Also, it’s really not a few weeks is it? It’s a few months added onto the last year.


  • #6176
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    Most were never at risk of death.
    Long Covid is a significant cause of chronic illness and one third of people who get Covid have some psychiatric and neurological effects.

    Large numbers of cases would mean significant illness in the population even if nobody died.

    None if this is necessary if people will just stall the ball for few weeks until the vaccinations are completed.

    Overkill to wait until vaccinations are completed. Once the elderly and truly vulnerable are done, which surely has to be soon at this rate, we need to get cracking on undoing the incredible self harm we’ve inflicted. Psychiatric effects of covid can get in the queue behind the psychiatric effects of a year in lockdown.


  • #6177
    h2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭h2005


    seamus wrote: »
    In other news, the official number of people in hospital this morning is 192.

    This is a phenomenal number.

    Why? Because hospital numbers have only been lower than 192, once in the last six months.

    And this number will continue dropping this week.

    Is there a way to see total hospital numbers (not just Covid). It would be interesting to see what the numbers were in 2019 for today.


  • #6178
    Hellrazer
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,094 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Charles Babbage wrote: »

    None if this is necessary if people will just stall the ball for few weeks until the vaccinations are completed.

    Jesus youre being very optimistic if you think it will be a few "weeks" before the vaccinations are completed - we`ll be luck if theyre completed in 2021 at all.


  • #6179
    External Association
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭External Association


    I think it would be a good idea to close down all Covid threads for a week and see how it went.

    It might be useful in helping a very small percentage of the population forget about it for a while and begin adaptation to a post Covid world.

    It has become an obsession. Practically every angle done to death. Wash your hands, social distance, do the right things but mentally move on to progress something else in your life.

    The litany of posters banned from here. It's a thread of one upmanship, tension and negativity. If anyone says well what are you doing here, it's my second post here.


  • #6180
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    External Association wrote: »
    I think it would be a good idea to close down all Covid threads for a week and see how it went.

    It might be useful in helping a very small percentage of the population forget about it for a while and begin adaptation to a post Covid world.

    It has become an obsession. Practically every angle done to death. Wash your hands, social distance, do the right things but mentally move on to progress something else in your life.

    The litany of posters banned from here. It's a thread of one upmanship, tension and negativity. If anyone says well what are you doing here, it's my second post here.

    Thanks for the laugh, brightened up my day no end. If you find these threads contrary to your liking, there are other fora on this site to frequent. Just a thought, mind.


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  • #6181
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,484 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Post-infection anti-bodies may last six months but post infection immunity is a different thing. In the Singapore sars covid 1 reactive T cells were found in SARS patients 17 years after infection.

    I think there was three times the amount of infection in the general population compared to those that actually were reported as testing positive when a wider cohort was tested. Those tests were done in the first wave in Dublin and Sligo.

    In parts of Dublin in the covid walk-in test centers around 6% were testing positive.

    I wrote immunity and I meant immunity :pac:

    There was a study done of COVID reinfections. The median period between infections was about six months.

    Stats is hard so it's not necessarily the case that median reinfection period = average immunity period but it'll do for boards.


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