Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

faceman · 14-04-2021 12:27AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Not really how it works considering it's a right as defined by the united nations in regards human displacement.

indeed. Course the mother then declared it a false positive and people just blindly believed her.

Don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story Niner

https://www.independent.ie/news/covid-tests-on-two-mothers-who-travelled-to-dubai-have-returned-negative-results-40281331.html

is_that_so · 14-04-2021 08:36AM

Jack1985 wrote: »

Yep, it's painful for everyone concerned and each country having different policies makes it a mess, a centralised EU approach can't arrive quick enough.

The EU have no competency here, it's up to individual countries and we are the only ones doing it. Not sure quite what you're angling for here TBH. but it looks very like a permanent plan. Bear in mind that the hotel regime has produced 10 positive cases so far.

Alast · 14-04-2021 08:44AM

is_that_so wrote: »

The EU have no competency here, it's up to individual countries and we are the only ones doing it. Not sure quite what you're angling for here TBH. but it looks very like a permanent plan. Bear in mind that the hotel regime has produced 10 positive cases so far.

10 cases over 3(?) weeks vs 400+ cases every day in the "wild"

is_that_so · 14-04-2021 08:47AM

Alast wrote: »

10 cases over 3(?) weeks vs 400+ cases every day in the "wild"

Indeed and those in quarantine could be at risk when they leave. There are skewed priorities at work but legislation will pass very easily when there are no dissenting voices against it.

14-04-2021 08:58AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Not really how it works considering it's a right as defined by the united nations in regards human displacement.

When faced with inconvenient information like "right to return" you lie and misrepresent.

Feria40 · 14-04-2021 09:58AM

There is a poll on the Journal this morning asking if the government should cap the number of arrivals into the country.

Unbelievably 65% say yes.

I don't know what so say

a_squirrelman · 14-04-2021 10:03AM

Feria40 wrote: »

There is a poll on the Journal this morning asking if the government should cap the number of arrivals into the country.

Unbelievably 65% say yes.

I don't know what so say

People have totally lost their minds.

Beechwoodspark · 14-04-2021 10:04AM

a_squirrelman wrote: »

People have totally lost their minds.

People just want the virus under control

If that’s losing our minds, well, maybe it’s warranted at this stage

muddypuppy · 14-04-2021 10:09AM

Feria40 wrote: »

There is a poll on the Journal this morning asking if the government should cap the number of arrivals into the country.

Unbelievably 65% say yes.

I don't know what so say

There is already a cap in place. They might not call it a cap, but airlines are not supposed to let you board without a MHQ reservation, so the cap is how many rooms are left.

Economics101 · 14-04-2021 10:11AM

People will always jump agree with nice-sounding but fundamentally daft and unimplementable proposals. They never think of all the legal, logistical and other aspects.

Lmkrnr · 14-04-2021 10:13AM

People who want to travel need to fight back. Closing the borders somewhat is a year to late. The government got it wrong, spectacularly wrong. Now they are making it up as they go along using Nephet as the shield.

a_squirrelman · 14-04-2021 10:14AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

People just want the virus under control

If that’s losing our minds, well, maybe it’s warranted at this stage

Then people need to look closer to home. There is a huge amount of people not following rules in Ireland. But as usual it's easier to point fingers at someone else.

Someone posted earlier about the TEN cases found from travel, but yeah ignore the 400 per day in the community.

Cue the usual responses: "covid didn't just magically get here" "christmas something something UK"

14-04-2021 10:16AM

Feria40 wrote: »

There is a poll on the Journal this morning asking if the government should cap the number of arrivals into the country.

Unbelievably 65% say yes.

I don't know what so say

It's The Journal, I'm surprised it's not 95%.

14-04-2021 10:17AM

Jack1985 wrote: »

Sorry that's actually not the case. The Indepedent confirmed it was a false-positive.

https://www.independent.ie/news/covid-tests-on-two-mothers-who-travelled-to-dubai-have-returned-negative-results-40281331.html

If you test positive in MHQ your stay increases from 10 to 20 to days. They were both negative.

faceman wrote: »

Don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story Niner

https://www.independent.ie/news/covid-tests-on-two-mothers-who-travelled-to-dubai-have-returned-negative-results-40281331.html

Indeed. It's almost like there's no way for it to be denied by anyone including the hse isn't it?

Lucky that.

is_that_so · 14-04-2021 10:17AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

People just want the virus under control

If that’s losing our minds, well, maybe it’s warranted at this stage

As has been the case throughout this they are looking at scapegoats for the continued restrictions. As usual one element of the strategy is not going to be the answer. Travel might seed cases assuming people do not follow protocols but nowhere near as much as the daily reports of far more risky behaviour within the community that is driving cases. Break the transmissions in the community and the very odd case from travel is going to have very little impact.

14-04-2021 10:19AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

When faced with inconvenient information like "right to return" you lie and misrepresent.

Excuse me?

I have spoken in detail about right to return on more then one occasion.

Perhaps you should look beyond a wiki entry that you scanned

munchkin_utd · 14-04-2021 10:20AM

Alast wrote: »

10 cases over 3(?) weeks vs 400+ cases every day in the "wild"

yep, approx 5500 to 6000 cases in Ireland in the past fortnight , any of which could be the legendary "seed" of a super spreader event.

But of course that wont happen because the variant barely spreads in Ireland as irish people have a secret skill in not being able to spread the virus.

Its the lads off the plane are the problem, tourists, maurading about the place .... even if the numbers (and logic that closed hotels or inter country travel bans) suggest otherwise.

timmyntc · 14-04-2021 10:20AM

Feria40 wrote: »

There is a poll on the Journal this morning asking if the government should cap the number of arrivals into the country.

Unbelievably 65% say yes.

I don't know what so say

85% or something thought we should take the apple tax money too

Just wait until the courts rule against MHQ - should be fun

is_that_so · 14-04-2021 10:22AM

Lmkrnr wrote: »

People who want to travel need to fight back. Closing the borders somewhat is a year to late. The government got it wrong, spectacularly wrong. Now they are making it up as they go along using Nephet as the shield.

The argument for a long time last year was that it was a very low number travelling and that the positivity rates were so low. Community behaviour is and always has been the big problem. Also it is clear there is only one political entity who do not agree with the MHQ and they ran the country until July.

faceman · 14-04-2021 10:24AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

People just want the virus under control

If that’s losing our minds, well, maybe it’s warranted at this stage

Hahahahahahahaha. Hilarious.

As documented in research in China, we now have unprecedented levels of non compliance with covid rules. Travel is going to become worse. There’s already “underground” travel operators offering Irish travellers way to get around the rules getting to Ireland.

hotmail.com · 14-04-2021 10:28AM

Feria40 wrote: »

There is a poll on the Journal this morning asking if the government should cap the number of arrivals into the country.

Unbelievably 65% say yes.

I don't know what so say

Typical Irish, they support it until their own family are affected by it.

Beechwoodspark · 14-04-2021 10:34AM

is_that_so wrote: »

As has been the case throughout this they are looking at scapegoats for the continued restrictions. As usual one element of the strategy is not going to be the answer. Travel might seed cases assuming people do not follow protocols but nowhere near as much as the daily reports of far more risky behaviour within the community that is driving cases. Break the transmissions in the community and the very odd case from travel is going to have very little impact.

Travel is a huge part of the problem though

I can’t emphasise this enough

Ppl are sick of getting the r rate down only to see it rise from travel cases imported into the state.

Often from non essential travel.

It is infuriating.

We need to get that turned off or down to a manageable trickle

hotel quarantine addresses that but probably doesn’t go far enough.

14-04-2021 10:34AM

Feria40 wrote: »

There is a poll on the Journal this morning asking if the government should cap the number of arrivals into the country.

Unbelievably 65% say yes.

I don't know what so say

Your first mistake was reading the journal

Your second was admitting it

is_that_so · 14-04-2021 10:39AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Travel is a huge part of the problem though

I can’t emphasise this enough

Ppl are sick of getting the r rate down only to see it rise from travel cases imported into the state.

Often from non essential travel.

It is infuriating.

We need to get that turned off or down to a manageable trickle

hotel quarantine addresses that but probably doesn’t go far enough.

Even if you lock borders it still gets in and we are not an isolated rock in the South Pacific. So-called bad behaviour is what spreads it and continues to spread it.

Corholio · 14-04-2021 10:40AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Travel is part of the problem though

Ppl are sick of getting the r rate down only to see it rise from travel cases imported into the state.

Often from non essential travel.

It is infuriating.

We need to get that turned off or down to a manageable trickle

hotel quarantine addresses that but probably doesn’t go far enough.

The R rate rose only because of travel cases!? That's bonkers. Cases are created from transmission, not from individuals travelling. Only the initial entry can be blamed on travel. The R rate is the result of transmission, lots of reasons for increased transmission which upped the rate.

But Irish people good......travellers bad right?

Beechwoodspark · 14-04-2021 10:41AM

Corholio wrote: »

The R rate rose only because of travel cases!? That's bonkers. Cases are created from transmission, not from individuals travelling. Only the initial entry can be blamed on travel. The R rate is the result of transmission, lots of reasons for increased transmission which upped the rate.

But Irish people good......travellers bad right?

I don’t blame travel solely, far from it. But I acknowledge travel is a big problem in importing in new cases and spreading it. We are only fooling ourselves denying that

Corholio · 14-04-2021 10:46AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I don’t blame travel solely, far from it. But I acknowledge travel is a big problem in importing in new cases and spreading it

But transmission is much, much more of a factor. New 'cases' can be created and multiplied in a very short time with recklessness in every day settings.

Red Silurian · 14-04-2021 10:48AM

Corholio wrote: »

But transmission is much, much more of a factor. New 'cases' can be created and multiplied in a very short time with recklessness in every day settings.

We have controls on community transmission through national lockdowns though, are you suggesting we shouldn't be attempting to control infection from abroad?

Corholio · 14-04-2021 10:55AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

We have controls on community transmission through national lockdowns though, are you suggesting we shouldn't be attempting to control infection from abroad?

The initial point argued was that the R rate rose because of travel. I never said we shouldn't be attempting, but you very well know that.

From someone who said the only thing that stressed you in the last year was the rugby, you seem quite bothered about the whole thing.

Red Silurian · 14-04-2021 11:14AM

Corholio wrote: »

The initial point argued was that the R rate rose because of travel. I never said we shouldn't be attempting, but you very well know that.

From someone who said the only thing that stressed you in the last year was the rugby, you seem quite bothered about the whole thing.

So you agree with quarantine then?

Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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