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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #6062
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,305 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    What's the point in a disclaimer when the governments have indemnified the vaccine manufacturers already to facilitate a faster rollout?

    Saves the Government having to pay out in the event of adverse reactions,


  • #6063
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,354 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Professor Liam Fanning, immunologist, laying out the blunt truth on Prime Time: "We have become risk adverse. If you were concerned about the potential risk of side effects with panadol, you wouldn't take it all."
    Why drive, tucked into a steak or even get out of the bed in the morning. The risk of harm is present however minuscule, we do it anyway without second thought. And a virtually non-existent risk of blood clotting in the wider population is an acceptable one, common sense must prevail and the vaccination programme continue apace.

    Maybe .
    But the other side of that is if the rest of the Western world decided to stop giving a vaccine , how would the Irish public react to being told " hey it's a very low risk , take it " ?
    Wouldn't be long before there would be an outcry .

    Also as said before , big difference in a medication with known side effects at this stage like Panadol and a vaccine that is just going through real world trials .
    Surprised at that doctor saying such silly thing on the radio , bet his patients are filled with trust in him after that !

    As Dr Crowley, Haemotologist , has reiterated today , we are relying on reporting of side effects so everyone knows all the risks before they take the vaccines .
    It is the only way to ensure that the rollout is safe and to safeguard against vaccine hesitancy .
    If they come back and say , " look we feel that under the age of 40 should not take this vaccine , but those over 40 can have it , but as long as they read the information about the risks and sign a waiver " , it would be different as people will be giving INFORMED consent .

    Edit . Heard Dr Fanning going on about Panadol side effects on TV there but he talked about it with reference to the high risks associated with Covid in the over 60s ...context is everything !


  • #6064
    RGS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭RGS


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    What's the point in a disclaimer when the governments have indemnified the vaccine manufacturers already to facilitate a faster rollout?

    With the NIAC recommendation the government indemnity to AZ may not stand up in court as the vaccine was issued outside the NIAC protocols.


  • #6065
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    If they come back and say , " look we feel that under the age of 40 should not take this vaccine , but those over 40 can have it , but as long as they read the information about the risks and sign a waiver " , it would be different as people will be giving INFORMED consent .
    I suspect this is a case where too much information is clouding the message.

    I presume the strategy is to only administer it to low-risk groups while more information is gathered as to the possible causes of the clots, and advice may change in the coming weeks.

    I know I suggested a waiver myself, but I also know you can't give someone something dangerous on matter what they sign. Where the government perhaps need to assist with is the definition of what "dangerous" is - wheel the attorney general out of the sideshows in the high court and back to look into vaccine safety.


  • #6066
    NIAC Fanboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭NIAC Fanboy


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    There’s a lot and I mean a lot of people who’ve become far too comfortable with this horror show. The mood is changing amongst the general public now.
    I always blame Nphet as they do advise the restrictions but it’s the government fault in the main as they fûcked up Xmas and will now only follow what Nphet say and to hell with the all the small businesses that’ll will be damaged for now and possibly forever.

    We’ve come accustomed to the blame game and numbed by restrictions. The vaccines had/have given us hope but this abundance of caution crap will be to the detriment of the people and we could quite possibly see more people dying or getting sersiouly I’ll due to this and thus lead us into continuing lockdown!

    Far too many people in this country, including many on here, are no longer capable of seeing the wood from the trees

    abundance of caution
    stillbirths linked to covid
    the next X weeks are crucial
    new variants
    70% more transmissible
    this is now a new virus

    The list is endless, yet people just lap it up without challenging the narrative.


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  • #6067
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,030 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    Isn't the next review supposed to be the start of May? Are we really keeping non essential retail closed for another 4 weeks when we have less than 200 people in hospital?

    When you hear Glynns comments it is even worse.

    Deaths are soon going to flatline same as they did last summer, but they are going to keep society locked down to protect against a 4th wave, ignoring the fact that even their criminally slow vaccine rollout will have all the vulnerable vaccinated by the time that any 4th wave would even have arrived.

    Cowardly ****s, each and every one of them. The vulnerable are vaccinated, we all know the risks, they need to take their ****ing boots off our necks and let us live.


  • #6068
    NIAC Fanboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭NIAC Fanboy


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    When you hear Glynns comments it is even worse.

    Deaths are soon going to flatline same as they did last summer, but they are going to keep society locked down to protect against a 4th wave, ignoring the fact that even their criminally slow vaccine rollout will have all the vulnerable vaccinated by the time that any 4th wave would even have arrived.

    Cowardly ****s, each and every one of them. The vulnerable are vaccinated, we all know the risks, they need to take their ****ing boots off our necks and let us live.

    And when a report came out that outdoor transmission was vastly lower than indoor transmission NPHET went straight into bat with the media to pour cold water on it.


  • #6069
    NIAC Fanboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭NIAC Fanboy


    Ireland’s deputy chief medical officer has urged parents of schoolchildren not organise playdates

    Lets not forget this gem. No other government carries on with this boll*x.


  • #6070
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,354 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    hmmm wrote: »
    I suspect this is a case where too much information is clouding the message.

    I presume the strategy is to only administer it to low-risk groups while more information is gathered as to the possible causes of the clots, and advice may change in the coming weeks.

    I know I suggested a waiver myself, but I also know you can't give someone something dangerous on matter what they sign. Where the government perhaps need to assist with is the definition of what "dangerous" is - wheel the attorney general out of the sideshows in the high court and back to look into vaccine safety.

    Yes agreed .
    It will most probably end up with a' refinement of the age groups' rather than a waiver .
    This is too new a situation to expect people to weigh up the ins and outs of what could be a potential danger or not when the pressure is on everyone to get vaccinated and out of this asap !
    In fact it might even come down to the government being sued for continuing to give a vaccine to people ' under duress ' ..I hear this in people posting here who just want a jab , any jab , to get out of the situation we are in.


  • #6071
    Boggerman12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭Boggerman12


    Reeling in the yrs started back the other nite .the arrival of the imf.that’s what’s needed now.this country to lose the ability to borrow money which in turn would end this **** show.there are not enough of us who believe in the ott response to this whole pandemic and the negativity even when there is the slimmest bit of good news.
    The new buzz phrase of abundance of caution can be added to the other bull**** phrases like hold firm and we’re all in this together.fighting Irish.....my arse


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  • #6072
    manofwisdom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭manofwisdom


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 189 (down from 203 last night)
    ICU 47 (up from 46 last night - 0 deaths)

    Lowest daily 8pm total hospital number since 9th Oct (187)

    Lowest between peak of second and third wave was 12th Dec (192)


    Last Tuesday
    Total 220
    ICU 58

    Great progress long may it continue.


  • #6073
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    NIAC Fanboy wrote: »
    And when a report came out that outdoor transmission was vastly lower than indoor transmission NPHET went straight into bat with the media to pour cold water on it.

    While it's obvious outdoor transmission is vastly lower than indoor, they had to pour cold water on it as they know how nonexistant our contract tracing is. That data came from reports where almost everything is lumped in as household transmission because actual source of infection is rarely traced accurately. This leaves other transmissions as vastly undercounted, including outdoor transmission.


  • #6074
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    NPHET: Any increase in socialisation over next few weeks could lead to a fourth wave of the virus. This situation is volatile.

    Also NPHET: Schools are safe settings. It’s ok for over 1 million people to congregate indoors.

    Who do you think is getting blamed when the numbers increase? The play dates and garden meetings...


  • #6075
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    Great news on the numbers again, really is a joy to see them tumbling week on week. There only going one way now between vaccines and level 5.


  • #6076
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,354 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    NIAC Fanboy wrote: »
    Ireland’s deputy chief medical officer has urged parents of schoolchildren not organise playdates

    Lets not forget this gem. No other government carries on with this boll*x.

    Gem indeed!
    Difference between NPHET and government ?
    Not the same but don't let facts get in the way of the narrative , as you said in a previous post there :pac:


  • #6077
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    NIAC Fanboy wrote: »
    Far too many people in this country, including many on here, are no longer capable of seeing the wood from the trees

    abundance of caution
    stillbirths linked to covid
    the next X weeks are crucial
    new variants
    70% more transmissible
    this is now a new virus

    The list is endless, yet people just lap it up without challenging the narrative.

    I genuinely wonder where the breaking point for the Irish people lies.
    Given that it took 800 years to rid ourselves of the British rule, I am not optimistic of seeing any mass civil disobedience within the next 5 years of Covid.


  • #6078
    Snooker Loopy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    Danno wrote: »
    I genuinely wonder where the breaking point for the Irish people lies.
    Given that it took 800 years to rid ourselves of the British rule, I am not optimistic of seeing any mass civil disobedience within the next 5 years of Covid.

    British colonial rule
    Apartheid
    The Nazis
    Stalin

    I'd say we've more than covered the hysterical comparison bingo now?

    Incidentally, I see the new Covid denier du jour Aisling O'Loughlin is unironically quoting Goebbels.

    Not really a good idea to quote the actual master of Nazi propaganda if you want to win over sensible people.

    I suppose one could reasonably say O'Loughlin has no intention whatsoever of winning over sensible people and is merely out to grift her way onto the grifting gravy train.


  • #6079
    NIAC Fanboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭NIAC Fanboy


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Gem indeed!
    Difference between NPHET and government ?
    Not the same but don't let facts get in the way of the narrative , as you said in a previous post there :pac:

    I am referring to a government giving a medical advisor the stage to drone on about children meeting friends.

    But you knew that.

    Can you name any other country in the world where this kind of effort at micromanaging of society during covid happens?


  • #6080
    nocoverart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    Great news on the numbers again, really is a joy to see them tumbling week on week. There only going one way now between vaccines and level 5.

    Sing it to me, Dickie. Spit on me, Dickie.


  • #6081
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Professor Liam Fanning, immunologist, laying out the blunt truth on Prime Time: "We have become risk adverse. If you were concerned about the potential risk of side effects with panadol, you wouldn't take it all."
    Why drive, tucked into a steak or even get out of the bed in the morning. The risk of harm is present however minuscule, we do it anyway without second thought. And a virtually non-existent risk of blood clotting in the wider population is an acceptable one, common sense must prevail and the vaccination programme continue apace.

    This decision by NIAC is the biggest own goal yet in this pandemic. Why 60? Could they not have just said 50? They'd still have been very cautious like they want to be and it would just be as randomly picked as the 60 age limit was.

    If they did pick 50, it would make the vaccine rollout changes easier tenfold while still being cautious. I also think if it was 50-69 for AZ vaccine they wouldn't feel nearly as singled out as the 60-69 group feel now. I actually don't blame them for being annoyed. People older get the 'better' vaccines and the people younger get the 'safer' vaccines, I can understand them thinking that it's like nobody cares if something happens to them, either a cloth or severe covid.

    And the odd thing is when Karina Butler was explaining NIACs decision on radio shows today she kept mentioning the decision was partly due to supply of other vaccines. Well what if the same thing is decided with J&J? Will they change the age for both then to 50-69? How will the 50-59 group feel then. First basically telling them it's not worth the risk for them to use this vaccine and then to change their mind because we have a bunch of 'riskier' vaccines left over. It hardly helps with the confidence in the vaccines.


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  • #6082
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    NIAC Fanboy wrote: »
    And when a report came out that outdoor transmission was vastly lower than indoor transmission NPHET went straight into bat with the media to pour cold water on it.

    They didn't pour cold water on outdoor transmission at all.

    Ronan Glynn said outdoors is 85 times more safer than indoors, but said the data in that report came from the HSE's clusters reports, which relies on contact tracing two days back which is unwholely inadequte and unreliable data.

    Also, they didn't 'go to bat with the media', Colm Henry and Ronan Glynn were both asked questions about it and responded.

    Seriously you are just full of lies today. They're not even good lies, they're exceptionally sh*t and although there are enough people here to catch you out on those lies there are also plenty that will read that and want the pitchforks out without doing an ounce of research.

    Is it any wonder this forum has gone to absolute **** when people are allowed to just post lies and misinformation in a bid to cause anger among very frustrated people.


  • #6083
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Also for a comparison to today.

    13th April last year was the first date the daily 8pm hospital report was released.

    Hospital numbers 8pm 13/04/2020
    Total 879
    ICU 144


  • #6084
    NIAC Fanboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭NIAC Fanboy


    Faugheen wrote: »

    Ronan Glynn said outdoors is 85 times more safer than indoors, but said the data in that report came from the HSE's clusters reports, which relies on contact tracing two days back which is unwholely inadequte and unreliable data.


    So Ronan Glynn came out and said that the HSE's own reports are, to use layman's language "crocks of sh1t" ?

    If that's not pouring cold water on it I don't know what is.


  • #6085
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Also for a comparison to today.

    13th April last year was the first date the daily 8pm hospital report was released.

    Hospital numbers 8pm 13/04/2020
    Total 879
    ICU 144

    Really??? Are you sure??? I didn’t think we had those numbers in lockdown 1...We had 879 in April last year 4 weeks in?? Damn! My memory is bad - era the last year is a blur....That means we are doing INCREDIBLY well so!

    I thought there was a big story about us reaching 100 in hospital in Jan...Or maybe that was a 1,000....It was described as a watershed moment so to speak...


  • #6086
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,629 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    NIAC are considering upping the Pfizer and moderna second dose interval to 12 weeks to account for the AZ shortfall apparently.


  • #6087
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Vicxas wrote: »
    NIAC are considering upping the Pfizer and moderna second dose interval to 12 weeks to account for the AZ shortfall apparently.

    Thats all well and good, but please don't tie the opening of society to vaccine rollout or implement vaccine passports. I understand its a supply issue but we are being held in lockdown due to pharmaceutical companies over promising.


  • #6088
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,478 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    NIAC Fanboy wrote: »
    I am referring to a government giving a medical advisor the stage to drone on about children meeting friends.

    But you knew that.

    Can you name any other country in the world where this kind of effort at micromanaging of society during covid happens?

    This from Germany looks much the same...

    https://m.dw.com/en/covid-has-a-dramatic-impact-on-children/a-56459428


  • #6089
    NIAC Fanboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭NIAC Fanboy


    Faugheen wrote: »
    That is not what I said and that is not what he said.

    Can't help lying can you? You should get help for that.

    If you knew anything about contact tracing then you would know that those reports are unreliable because it only traces where disease was spread, not where it originated.

    I don't know why I bother. You don't listen, you don't want any facts, you attribute quotes to people that weren't said and on top of all that, you are a compulsive bullsh*tter who completely ignores when people call you out on your lying.

    You aren't even discussing in good faith. It's just lie after lie after lie after lie.

    The only bullsh1tter is you.

    NPHET described the report as misleading. So they dumbed down its relevance.

    In lay man's language they poured cold water on it.

    As soon as you don't get your way you retort to calling everyboby somebody else says a lie.

    Very Donald Trump of you. Just start shouting abuse at people for saying something you don't like.


  • #6090
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    prunudo wrote: »
    Thats all well and good, but please don't tie the opening of society to vaccine rollout or implement vaccine passports. I understand its a supply issue but we are being held in lockdown due to pharmaceutical companies over promising.

    So don't open up society until we have a critical mass or allow those vaccinated to live some form of a normal life? I don't see why we wouldn't allow those who are vaccinated to live a life somewhat more free. I won't be vaccinated for a long time but I won't begrudge those who are or feel that they should wait for me to join the party before they have a drink.


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  • #6091
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    NIAC Fanboy wrote: »
    The only bullsh1tter is you.

    NPHET described the report as misleading. So they dumbed down its relevance.

    In lay man's language they poured cold water on it.

    As soon as you don't get your way you retort to calling everyboby somebody else says a lie.

    Very Donald Trump of you. Just start shouting abuse at people for saying something you don't like.

    Don't insult the layman with your nonsense, the layman is miles above the quality of your posting and your "layman" terms.


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