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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #5852
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    They are the same type of vaccines too aren't they? Bit offputting, despite low risk.

    Yes that's the worry with J&J

    Was listening to RTE radio yesterday

    If J&J runs into same issues and gets same NIAC advice as AZ then that's 35% of total Q2 doses restricted to a 10 Yr cohort from 60-69


  • #5853
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Yes that's the worry with J&J

    Was listening to RTE radio yesterday

    If J&J runs into same issues and gets same NIAC advice as AZ then that's 35% of total Q2 doses restricted to a 10 Yr cohort from 60-69

    US is now pausing it FFS.

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1381926749597020161?s=20


  • #5854
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    US is now pausing it FFS.

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1381926749597020161?s=20

    Meanwhile UK opens up vaccinations to all over 45s - moderna and AZ.


  • #5855
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,628 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    US is now pausing it FFS.

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1381926749597020161?s=20

    Well, thats that then. See you all in 2022


  • #5856
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Maybe we should trade with the UK then. They take our AZ in exchange for giving us their Pfizer on a 1.5:1 basis.


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  • #5857
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Meanwhile UK opens up vaccinations to all over 45s - moderna and AZ.

    Is this is a good thing?

    Surely if there are risks reported with a vaccine, it is good practice to pause while they are investigated fully.


  • #5858
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    US is now pausing it FFS.

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1381926749597020161?s=20

    Up to each state what they want to do.

    The CDC review is tomorrow, expect it to be short lived to be honest.

    Based on the events seen so far in the doses given the likelihood of such events here given the number of J&J expected would be quite frankly negligible. Certainly looks like a lower risk than AZ to start with.

    Let's see where it goes, EMA have been looking at it since last week. It's 1 shot, I highly doubt it gets restricted because of that


  • #5859
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Summer 2021 is gone.


  • #5860
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Up to each state what they want to do.

    The CDC review is tomorrow, expect it to be short lived to be honest.

    Based on the events seen so far in the doses given the likelihood of such events here given the number of J&J expected would be quite frankly negligible. Certainly looks like a lower risk than AZ to start with.

    Let's see where it goes, EMA have been looking at it since last week. It's 1 shot, I highly doubt it gets restricted because of that

    Yeah hopefully. It really is "an abundance of caution" so they may well declare the tiny risk worth it overall. It's like the opposite of winning the lottery in terms of probability.


  • #5861
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    landofthetree wrote: »
    Summer 2021 is gone.

    That's awful for you. Beautiful day here. Think I'll drive to the beach for a walk.


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  • #5862
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,178 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Is this is a good thing?

    Surely if there are risks reported with a vaccine, it is good practice to pause while they are investigated fully.


    Yes and no. Its a balance of risks. It seems as if this clot issue does exist, but at such a low level that the damage caused by COVID in the weeks that this delays things, is higher than just allowing the odd clot to happen as a known, justifiable side effect.


  • #5863
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Probably 1-2 weeks Pfizer supply in Q3.

    Very optimistic to think that will hapoen.


  • #5864
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Chris_5339762 wrote: »
    Yes and no. Its a balance of risks. It seems as if this clot issue does exist, but at such a low level that the damage caused by COVID in the weeks that this delays things, is higher than just allowing the odd clot to happen as a known, justifiable side effect.

    Agreed. But it doesn't look like they are approaching this from a "save thousands of lives, cause small number of deaths" logic. Rather, that the small number of deaths be prevented, even if that reduces lives saved.


  • #5865
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,027 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    marno21 wrote: »
    Wall to wall ads on the radio encouraging people to meet outdoors. Outdoor pints. Outdoor gatherings. Anything indoors with a mask on. The reopening they’ve done should be fairly safe if people stick to the rules.
    Over here we have TV ads shaming people for the heinous crime of being friendly to somebody in the work canteen, or giving a lift to an old woman with shopping. Images of empty canteens interposed with images of people in ICU beds.

    It is a ****ing disgrace what the media is doing in this country, which I guess makes them a good match to the governing bodies.
    seamus wrote: »
    Maybe we should trade with the UK then. They take our AZ in exchange for giving us their Pfizer on a 1.5:1 basis.

    That would involve Michael Martin actually getting off his arse and doing something proactive.


  • #5866
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Chris_5339762 wrote: »
    Yes and no. Its a balance of risks. It seems as if this clot issue does exist, but at such a low level that the damage caused by COVID in the weeks that this delays things, is higher than just allowing the odd clot to happen as a known, justifiable side effect.

    It's not a balance of risks though. if it were, we wouldnt have such tough restrictions domestically in the first place.

    We have long since abandoned the concept of acceptable risks. So its no surprise to see vaccines getting cancelled due to a tiny percentage of blood clots.
    Just as we quarantine fully vaccinated people because a tiny percentage MAY carry covid. Its completely bonkers


  • #5867
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yeah hopefully. It really is "an abundance of caution" so they may well declare the tiny risk worth it overall. It's like the opposite of winning the lottery in terms of probability.

    Yeah I've just done some rough numbers so far and the AZ risk on current numbers is higher than J&J.


  • #5868
    shamco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭shamco


    Why cant the government advise people on the risk of taking the vaccine and leave the decision on the individual to take it or not. This blanket ban on a large cohort of people is crazy.


  • #5869
    .42.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭.42.


    Is there a % Breakdown of Blood clotting by Gender?


  • #5870
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    shamco wrote: »
    Why cant the government advise people on the risk of mixing outdoors and leave the decision on the individual to take it or not. This blanket ban on a large cohort of people is crazy.

    FYP ;)


  • #5871
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gas stuff altogether, now EXTRA.IE know what NPHET are saying to GOVT apparently before they say it!!

    Is this an april fools joke belated or something?


    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/health/medical/nphet-to-outline-length-of-further-restrictions-as-they-warn-oireachtas-of-possible-fourth-wave/ar-BB1fB2V7?li=BBr5HCU

    Dr Glynn’s opening statement to the Oireachtas committee will say: ‘All of this means that we can be hopeful of a return to better and more normal times.

    ‘However, while significant progress is being made in controlling the disease and in rolling out vaccines, we still have a high level of infection, we are dealing with a much more transmissible virus than last year, and the absolute number of people fully protected through vaccination remains low.’

    Dr Glynn will go on to say that these factors mean that a ‘considerable risk’ of a ‘further wave of infection’ remains in Ireland ‘if public health restrictions are eased too quickly’.


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  • #5872
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    rusty cole wrote: »
    gas stuff altogether, now EXTRA.IE know what NPHET are saying to GOVT apparently before they say it!!

    Is this an april fools joke belated or something?


    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/health/medical/nphet-to-outline-length-of-further-restrictions-as-they-warn-oireachtas-of-possible-fourth-wave/ar-BB1fB2V7?li=BBr5HCU

    Dr Glynn’s opening statement to the Oireachtas committee will say: ‘All of this means that we can be hopeful of a return to better and more normal times.

    ‘However, while significant progress is being made in controlling the disease and in rolling out vaccines, we still have a high level of infection, we are dealing with a much more transmissible virus than last year, and the absolute number of people fully protected through vaccination remains low.’

    Dr Glynn will go on to say that these factors mean that a ‘considerable risk’ of a ‘further wave of infection’ remains in Ireland ‘if public health restrictions are eased too quickly’.

    This is different.

    This is in front of the Oireachtas Health Committee. It’s a cross-party committee and all guests are asked to submit an opening statement usually 24 hours before the meeting. This is then circulated to politicians and media organisations who ask for it by the committee clerks.

    Again, getting in a rage and trying to whip people up into a frenzy when you clearly don’t know how protocols work.

    People need to actually calm the f*ck down.


  • #5873
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Essentially we’ve locked down for a year now while waiting on vaccines so people don’t get sick.

    Now we won’t use the bloody things in case a tiny number get a blood clot.

    All of this while we ask healthy people to get tested and see if they are sick...

    Never thought I’d wish for a huge financial crisis but I fear money is the only thing that will bring us back to reality.


  • #5874
    mightyreds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,893 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    Faugheen wrote: »
    This is different.

    This is in front of the Oireachtas Health Committee. It’s a cross-party committee and all guests are asked to submit an opening statement usually 24 hours before the meeting. This is then circulated to politicians and media organisations who ask for it by the committee clerks.

    Again, getting in a rage and trying to whip people up into a frenzy when you clearly don’t know how protocols work.

    People need to actually calm the f*ck down.


    Think some people have been out of work for 13 months now (not me just to add), they are struggling to pay their bills, mortgage etc.

    I think 13 months of high stress and remaining calm is a bit too much to ask.


  • #5875
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    mightyreds wrote: »
    Think some people have been out of work for 13 months now (not me just to add), they are struggling to pay their bills, mortgage etc.

    I think 13 months of high stress and remaining calm is a bit too much to ask.

    So it’s ok to whip people up into a frenzy by posted false and misleading information?

    Sorry but there is no excuse whatsoever for that. I get people are frustrated but potentially being out of work doesn’t give them a pass for posting something which is completely and utterly false and stating it as a fact.


  • #5876
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,283 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    https://twitter.com/michellehtweet/status/1381943043230666753?s=19


  • #5877
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    This abundance of caution is positively reckless.


  • #5878
    E mac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭E mac


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Essentially we’ve locked down for a year now while waiting on vaccines so people don’t get sick.

    Now we won’t use the bloody things in case a tiny number get a blood clot.

    All of this while we ask healthy people to get tested and see if they are sick...

    Never thought I’d wish for a huge financial crisis but I fear money is the only thing that will bring us back to reality.

    That’s what I’ve been saying it will take financial ruin before government will have to open up society


  • #5879
    Golfman64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Essentially we’ve locked down for a year now while waiting on vaccines so people don’t get sick.

    Now we won’t use the bloody things in case a tiny number get a blood clot.

    All of this while we ask healthy people to get tested and see if they are sick...

    Never thought I’d wish for a huge financial crisis but I fear money is the only thing that will bring us back to reality.

    Agreed. Restricting a vaccine on the basis of a few in a million chance of a severe complication tells us all we need to know about the risk of Covid to those under 60. Once the over 60’s are vaccinated there is no reason for major restrictions.


  • #5880
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Eod100 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/michellehtweet/status/1381943043230666753?s=19

    I think this is an important clarification that he has made, which makes any domestic vaccine benefit ideas all the more pointless given how short-lived they'd be.


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  • #5881
    aidoh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭aidoh


    Faugheen wrote: »
    So it’s ok to whip people up into a frenzy by posted false and misleading information?

    Sorry but there is no excuse whatsoever for that. I get people are frustrated but potentially being out of work doesn’t give them a pass for posting something which is completely and utterly false and stating it as a fact.

    Sounds like only you've been whipped into a frenzy mo chara.


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