Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

sporina · 13-04-2021 11:04AM

anyone know what the breakdown in %'s is of the various vaccines that have been administered in Ireland to date?

Necro · 13-04-2021 11:08AM

patnor1011 do not post in this thread again

ceegee · 13-04-2021 11:16AM

sporina wrote: »

anyone know what the breakdown in %'s is of the various vaccines that have been administered in Ireland to date?

Pfizer 73.3%
AZ 22.1%
Moderna 4.5%

ACitizenErased · 13-04-2021 11:30AM

“He (Chair of the IMO's GP committee Dr Denis McCauley) said that it was likely that between 200,000 to 400,000 AstraZeneca vaccines out of a total supply of 3.9 million would go unused as a result of the decision.”
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0413/1209594-astrazeneca-reaction/

hmmm · 13-04-2021 11:34AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

“He (Chair of the IMO's GP committee Dr Denis McCauley) said that it was likely that between 200,000 to 400,000 AstraZeneca vaccines out of a total supply of 3.9 million would go unused as a result of the decision.”
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0413/1209594-astrazeneca-reaction/

This must not be allowed to happen.

It's not a "safe" decision in my opinion - it's certainly an extremely cautious decision if your concern is solely the safety of the vaccine. There also has to be consideration of the costs of lockdowns & the increased risk to the hundreds of thousands who could get the vaccine and instead may get Covid.

13-04-2021 11:36AM

Leo said on the radio this morning that the AZ doses would not go to waste, between the 200k second doses required and the half a million 60-69s who will need two doses.

KrustyUCC · 13-04-2021 11:38AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

“He (Chair of the IMO's GP committee Dr Denis McCauley) said that it was likely that between 200,000 to 400,000 AstraZeneca vaccines out of a total supply of 3.9 million would go unused as a result of the decision.”
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0413/1209594-astrazeneca-reaction/

Potentially 100,000 - 200,000 fully vaccinated people not being done over an abundance of caution

Bloody disastrous decision from NIAC

Hurrache · 13-04-2021 11:39AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Potentially 100,000 - 200,000 fully vaccinated people not being done over an abundance of caution

Bloody disastrous decision from NIAC

But they will be vaccinated. And this whole 'only in Ireland' joke is some amount of nonsense.

Stark · 13-04-2021 11:40AM

He said it is important to highlight that if AstraZeneca was the only vaccine available, the advice on the use of it would not have been changed.

"Good news everyone! Covid's not so bad after all!".

odyssey06 · 13-04-2021 11:44AM

hmmm wrote: »

This must not be allowed to happen.

It's not a "safe" decision in my opinion - it's certainly an extremely cautious decision if your concern is solely the safety of the vaccine. There also has to be consideration of the costs of lockdowns & the increased risk to the hundreds of thousands who could get the vaccine and instead may get Covid.

A very low bar has been set for the level of acceptable risk.
What happens if the J&J vaccine has same risk?
How many months would that delay vaccination of the under 60s?

People in their 20s, 30s, 40s at the bottom of the queue should be able to make an informed decision and sign up for MVCs offering AZ or J&J to get vaccinated more quickly.

Gael23 · 13-04-2021 11:44AM

Looks to me like anyone who has received 1st AZ dose will be getting a second one.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0413/1209594-astrazeneca-reaction/

TomOnBoard · 13-04-2021 11:44AM

Le Bruise wrote: »

It's unreal!

I haven't posted much the last week or so as I got a bit of 'COVID fatigue' constantly trying to stay up to date with everything. Decided to pop back in for a gander just as the news started to break about Astra. God bless the sane and measured posters who have stuck around to battle the influx of conspiracy/anti-vax stuff!

What I'm seeing is a resident Vaccine Rah! Rah! Taliban on here making limited attempts at listening to genuine questions/doubts/challenges to the perceived wisdom because they have become so battle weary from the constant insurgency attacks by the 'off the wall' anti-vaxxers. But, I don't believe that most of the commentary has been anti-vaxx per se; an awful lot has been focused on AZ, and concerns/confusion that has arisen. There was a huge amount of unhelpful criticism yesterday that created waaay more heat than light! Sensible informed thinking was a casualty, as was NIAC, Fergal Bowers, NPHET among others.

It serves no useful purpose, and indeed misses a great opportunity, when resources like this forum descend into bear-pit territory and one daren't enter the fray due to the trigger-happy snipers on both sides. As one poster described it yesterday, by evening it had become a cock-fight!

:mad:

ixoy · 13-04-2021 11:47AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Bloody disastrous decision from NIAC

Did NPHET have to implement it? NIAC recommend it from their health view but NPHET are tasked with a bigger picture view which should include mortality and sickness projection for not using the vaccine. That's, from my understanding, what they do that NIAC aren't responsible for.

KrustyUCC · 13-04-2021 11:48AM

Hurrache wrote: »

But they will be vaccinated. And this whole 'only in Ireland' joke is some amount of nonsense.

Yes but when will they be vaccinated?

Not on schedule which puts rest of society behind in easing of restrictions

NIAC was twice as cautious as UK

5 years more cautious than France and Belgium

Same as some other countries yes so not just Ireland

NIAC had other ootions and choose the most restrictive cautious one though

KrustyUCC · 13-04-2021 11:49AM

ixoy wrote: »

Did NPHET have to implement it? NIAC recommend it from their health view but NPHET are tasked with a bigger picture view which should include mortality and sickness projection for not using the vaccine. That's, from my understanding, what they do that NIAC aren't responsible for.

My impression is that NPHET and HSE had to go with NIAC advice but I might be wrong

13-04-2021 11:50AM

UK doesn't have the scope to be cautious, they are too reliant on AZ. We're not.

Boulevardier · 13-04-2021 11:50AM

Does anyone know when the vaccination portal for the 65-69 age group opens?

Originally there was talk of it opening on Monday 19th April. Then there were mentions of it opening sooner, i.e. this week. However, I am seeing no information in the news at the moment.

Also, once the portal does open, will dates be available in age order, eg. people aged 69 first, then those aged 68, etc.?

Widescreen · 13-04-2021 11:52AM

Will our politicians, who are in the 60-69 age category with no underlying conditions therefore be getting the AstraZeneca vaccine?

If not hopefully the vaccinators will tip off the media in due course.

Boris took it no problem. Our guys should do it publically to boost the program. If they don't people will get even more wary of taking it.

Hurrache · 13-04-2021 11:53AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yes but when will they be vaccinated?

Not on schedule which puts rest of society behind in easing of restrictions

NIAC was twice as cautious as UK

5 years more cautious than France and Belgium

Same as some other countries yes so not just Ireland

NIAC had other ootions and choose the most restrictive cautious one though

AZ account for about a fifth of our vaccine pool, Those next on the list will simply be rescheduled for one of the others pretty quickly. It's not like vaccinations are stopping completely.

Wolf359f · 13-04-2021 11:54AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

“He (Chair of the IMO's GP committee Dr Denis McCauley) said that it was likely that between 200,000 to 400,000 AstraZeneca vaccines out of a total supply of 3.9 million would go unused as a result of the decision.”
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0413/1209594-astrazeneca-reaction/

So potentially that 200k shortfall would be made up within 1 week in July by a single delivery of Pfizer.
Meaning obviously a delay to that end of June target, but not a disaster.

13-04-2021 11:55AM

Stark wrote: »

"Good news everyone! Covid's not so bad after all!".

No, its "we can get an even safer vaccine to everyone with only a couple of weeks delay so lets divert the least impacted by covid to the alternative vaccines until we know more about this vaccine".

If AZ was the only vaccine or we were still having thousands of cases per day it would be a different decision.

DaSilva · 13-04-2021 11:55AM

I can't understand what is going on, one of my parents was due to be vaccinated today with AZ, in their late 60s, and it was cancelled upon arrival!

What a joke

13-04-2021 11:56AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yes but when will they be vaccinated?

Not on schedule which puts rest of society behind in easing of restrictions

NIAC was twice as cautious as UK

5 years more cautious than France and Belgium

Same as some other countries yes so not just Ireland

NIAC had other ootions and choose the most restrictive cautious one though

Some have chosen not to use it at all

ebbsy · 13-04-2021 11:57AM

Get the North involved in rolling out the vaccine down here.

That would ensure a constant supply until the job is done, and a level of competence suitable to completing the task at hand.

I have friends with lung cancer/throat cancer/nerve disease who have not got the jab yet.

We need proper direction.

Hurrache · 13-04-2021 11:57AM

DaSilva wrote: »

I can't understand what is going on, one of my parents was due to be vaccinated today with AZ, in their late 60s, and it was cancelled upon arrival!

It was cancelled yesterday, did they not get an alert or see it on the media?

KrustyUCC · 13-04-2021 11:58AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Some have chosen not to use it at all

That's very foolish

The rewards outweigh the risks of using the vaccine

ACitizenErased · 13-04-2021 11:58AM

DaSilva wrote: »

I can't understand what is going on, one of my parents was due to be vaccinated today with AZ, in their late 60s, and it was cancelled upon arrival!

What a joke

HSE issued a statement yesterday that all of today's appointments were cancelled, it was all over the news

titan18 · 13-04-2021 11:58AM

Widescreen wrote: »

Will our politicians, who are in the 60-69 age category with no underlying conditions therefore be getting the AstraZeneca vaccine?

If not hopefully the vaccinators will tip off the media in due course.

Boris took it no problem. Our guys should do it publically to boost the program. If they don't people will get even more wary of taking it.

Ya, if Martin (whos 60) went up and took it on TV, that would do a good bit for positivity to it.

13-04-2021 11:59AM

DaSilva wrote: »

I can't understand what is going on, one of my parents was due to be vaccinated today with AZ, in their late 60s, and it was cancelled upon arrival!

What a joke

If that location are moving from Pfizer to AZ its not a joke that it was delayed to allow the switch

Hurrache · 13-04-2021 11:59AM

ebbsy wrote: »

Get the North involved in rolling out the vaccine down here.

That would ensure a constant supply until the job is done, and a level of competence suitable to completing the task at hand.

I have friends with lung cancer/throat cancer/nerve disease who have not got the jab yet.

We need proper direction.

Are you still pushing this drivel?

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