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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #5822
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    In total we were due to get 800,000 AZ doses in Q2. 200,000 of these would be needed for second doses to people who got AZ in Q1. We have about 500,000 people aged 60 to 69.

    So, this leaves us with about 100,000 doses of AZ which we won't use in Q2. This doesn't massively change what we can do by June.

    My big worry now is the J&J vaccine. If this has similar blood cost issues, that will be put a massive hole in our plans.


  • #5823
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Vicxas wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/varadkar-astrazeneca-5408026-Apr2021/

    And here comes Leo, laying the groundwork for screwing us over.

    Do you remember at the start of January people were getting sneered at for having scepticism regarding the vaccine rollout, how despite its importance there were already signs that it would be far slower than acceptable?

    Well here we are, targets missed every step of the way, coming up on 4 months gone and now the kites are flying to tell us May and June will be lost as well, which actually means July and August a write off.

    The apologists will line up to tell us that "actually..." but stockholm syndrome aside, I think most people realise at this stage that our government is dangerously incompetent.


  • #5824
    RGS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭RGS


    timmyntc wrote: »
    Then why last October, when the govt ignored NPHET advice - did NPHET go over the govts heads and straight to the media?

    If they are a purely advisory body then it should end there, but they clearly are not.
    NPHET attempted to strongarm the government into doing what they wanted. It was clear as day



    Just to edit your post


    NPHET did not attempt to strong arm the government they did strong arm the government.


  • #5825
    jams100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭jams100


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    That's actually decent for a Sunday

    Sunday before was (+3,763)

    Piss poor imo. We were constantly told in Jan and Feb that it was all about Q2!, It was Q2 this, Q2 that, I know its still early in Q2 but it looks like they are going to miss the targets once again. We're just being strung along


  • #5826
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    In total we were due to get 800,000 AZ doses in Q2. 200,000 of these would be needed for second doses to people who got AZ in Q1. We have about 500,000 people aged 60 to 69.

    So, this leaves us with about 100,000 doses of AZ which we won't use in Q2. This doesn't massively change what we can do by June.

    My big worry now is the J&J vaccine. If this has similar blood cost issues, that will be put a massive hole in our plans.

    Yes J&J is the real joker

    We need the 605,000 doses to be 605,000 fully vaccinated people

    If NIAC have the same advice as AZ it's going to be a disaster


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  • #5827
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,910 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    bucketybuck wrote:
    The apologists will line up to tell us that "actually..." but stockholm syndrome aside, I think most people realise at this stage that our government is dangerously incompetent.
    Both this government and the last one, made up mainly of the same two parties, have shown how incompetent they are. And the leader of the other big party has shown how incompetent she is by attending funerals and contracting covid through lack of responsibility.
    We need a new political party made up of intelligent people with a history of actually working for a living and not a career of looking after their public image.


  • #5828
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    Do you remember at the start of January people were getting sneered at for having scepticism regarding the vaccine rollout, how despite its importance there were already signs that it would be far slower than acceptable?

    Well here we are, targets missed every step of the way, coming up on 4 months gone and now the kites are flying to tell us May and June will be lost as well, which actually means July and August a write off.

    The apologists will line up to tell us that "actually..." but stockholm syndrome aside, I think most people realise at this stage that our government is dangerously incompetent.

    Who in the Dáil would provide better Covid-19 leadership?


  • #5829
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Yes J&J is the real joker

    We need the 605,000 doses to be 605,000 fully vaccinated people

    If NIAC have the same advice as AZ it's going to be a disaster

    Yep. The incidences of blood clot issues on J&J does seem lower at the moment, based on US data anyway.

    We really need to be a bit innovative at this stage - like somewhat widening the dose interval on Pfizer. Even making this 6 or 8 weeks would make a big difference.

    People will not accept being unable to have a normal enough summer (like last summer).


  • #5830
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Have the US not already given out millions of J&J doses?


  • #5831
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Based on what I’ve seen around this phrase in relation to AstraZeneca and the reopening of society, I wouldn’t be surprised to wake up some morning soon to the news that all speed limits have been reduced to 60km/h due to an “abundance of caution”.

    I was driving yesterday morning. I started the journey with the news from Liverpool. Excited people in the pub, relieved hairdresser, relieved staff at Chester Zoo. Followed by really positive Luke O’Neill. Then I flicked to Radio 1 where Sam McConkey was telling us that we won’t have crowds at events for 3-5 years.

    It’s no wonder morale in this country is absolutely ****ed. It’s also no wonder that almost everyone I know my age is ready to pack up and leave when it’s possible. Another Fianna Fáil government seeing tens of thousands of young people heading straight for the airport.


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  • #5832
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Perspective is important too. If somebody dies due to clotting as a result of a vaccine then that is a terrible tragedy. Yet, as things stand, you are more likely to die from thrombosis as a result of long distance flying than from a Covid-19 vaccine.


  • #5833
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Both this government and the last one, made up mainly of the same two parties, have shown how incompetent they are. And the leader of the other big party has shown how incompetent she is by attending funerals and contracting covid through lack of responsibility.
    We need a new political party made up of intelligent people with a history of actually working for a living and not a career of looking after their public image.

    The problem with politics is... the salary attracts idiots. Because, any competent person can easily make that money in the private sector... and more without the constant criticism from the general public.

    So you are left with people that are too stupid to make it in private industry and also love the limelight.


  • #5834
    celt262
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭celt262


    marno21 wrote: »

    It’s no wonder morale in this country is absolutely ****ed. It’s also no wonder that almost everyone I know my age is ready to pack up and leave when it’s possible. Another Fianna Fáil government seeing tens of thousands of young people heading straight for the airport.

    Where are they thinking of going?


  • #5835
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Perspective is important too. If somebody dies due to clotting as a result of a vaccine then that is a terrible tragedy. Yet, as things stand, you are more likely to die from thrombosis as a result of long distance flying than from a Covid-19 vaccine.
    These stats vary considerably depending on age and gender.

    And at the end of the day, this isn't a long-haul flight, it's a vaccine which is being supplied in the context of something that is necessary for everyone to take.

    If we were saying that everyone in the country was being asked to make two long-haul flights this year in order to end the pandemic, then the issue of DVT would indeed come up.


  • #5836
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    NIAC and NPHET are utterly conservative and use the abundance of caution as a stick to beat us with!
    We’re into our 14th month of this and the light at this supposed tunnel is getting darker by the day!!


  • #5837
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    marno21 wrote: »
    I was driving yesterday morning. I started the journey with the news from Liverpool. Excited people in the pub, relieved hairdresser, relieved staff at Chester Zoo. Followed by really positive Luke O’Neill. Then I flicked to Radio 1 where Sam McConkey was telling us that we won’t have crowds at events for 3-5 years.
    Time will tell how this goes.

    What I saw were videos of streets and pubs jammed with people who were mostly unvaccinated; be that completely or partially.

    One might say it's morale-boosting, but it's also a massive gamble. They've heralded in the unofficial restart of the highest-risk activities (house parties), at a time when the majority of the population are not yet vaccinated.

    Morale won't be so high if they're back to 10,000 cases a day in 4 weeks time.


  • #5838
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    seamus wrote: »
    Time will tell how this goes.

    What I saw were videos of streets and pubs jammed with people who were mostly unvaccinated; be that completely or partially.

    One might say it's morale-boosting, but it's also a massive gamble. They've heralded in the unofficial restart of the highest-risk activities (house parties), at a time when the majority of the population are not yet vaccinated.

    Morale won't be so high if they're back to 10,000 cases a day in 4 weeks time.

    The UK have taken the grown up approach of acknowledging cases will increase, people will continue to die but vaccination effect should stop hospitals from being overwhelmed and life will go on.


  • #5839
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    seamus wrote: »
    Time will tell how this goes.

    What I saw were videos of streets and pubs jammed with people who were mostly unvaccinated; be that completely or partially.

    One might say it's morale-boosting, but it's also a massive gamble. They've heralded in the unofficial restart of the highest-risk activities (house parties), at a time when the majority of the population are not yet vaccinated.

    Morale won't be so high if they're back to 10,000 cases a day in 4 weeks time.

    Their vaccine rollout also seems to be slowing/levelling out?


  • #5840
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    seamus wrote: »
    Time will tell how this goes.

    What I saw were videos of streets and pubs jammed with people who were mostly unvaccinated; be that completely or partially.

    One might say it's morale-boosting, but it's also a massive gamble. They've heralded in the unofficial restart of the highest-risk activities (house parties), at a time when the majority of the population are not yet vaccinated.

    Morale won't be so high if they're back to 10,000 cases a day in 4 weeks time.

    They seem to be willing to accept 10,000 cases per day though with the level of vaccination they have. Cases will rise as they open up but if the vaccines reduce transmission and significantly reduce hospitalisations/ICU/deaths I don’t see any issues.

    Wall to wall ads on the radio encouraging people to meet outdoors. Outdoor pints. Outdoor gatherings. Anything indoors with a mask on. The reopening they’ve done should be fairly safe if people stick to the rules.


  • #5841
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,477 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Their vaccine rollout also seems to be slowing/levelling out?

    That's largely a function of second doses. Look at the rate of doses administered.

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  • #5842
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Lumen wrote: »
    That's largely a function of second doses. Look at the rate of doses administered.

    image.png

    It will be interesting to see how the 12 week plan levels out in the end, all the talk about how quickly they are handling roll out etc... if this is the start of second doses it seems like their overall progress will look much slower for the next 3 months?


  • #5843
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    marno21 wrote: »
    They seem to be willing to accept 10,000 cases per day though with the level of vaccination they have. Cases will rise as they open up but if the vaccines reduce transmission and significantly reduce hospitalisations/ICU/deaths I don’t see any issues.
    10,000 cases is a bad number, but it's just the start.

    Problem is when you get to 25k+ cases/day then your fatalities start ratcheting up anyway; in younger people.

    Yes, the goal is protect the most vulnerable, but when you get into huge numbers of infected, a small chance of death turns into a lot of actual deaths.

    It's a gamble. Their easing of restrictions has a considerable amount of finger-crossing going on, not solid data. Less than 50% of the population has received one dose and only 11% are fully vaccinated.


  • #5844
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    We really need to start working towards an opt in system for vaccine roll out where people can decide personally if the risk of infection is worse than the risk of complication. No point in warehousing vaccine at this point.

    I heard a doctor on the radio today saying NIAC changed the guidance on AZ because of a significant risk of complication. Later in the same conversation they listed numbers- one in a million can cause death due to clotting! How 1/1,000,000 significant when the rest of the non covid testing and treatment in out hospital for things like cancer are partially shut down and possibly missing hundred and thousands of early detection which WILL save lives. It is scandalous.

    The Covid Tribunal will go on for many years when it gets to the courts.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • #5845
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    "Dr McCauley told RTÉ's Today with Claire Byrne it was likely that between 200,000 to 400,000 AstraZeneca vaccines out of a total supply of 3.9 million would go unused as a result of the decision."

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0413/1209594-astrazeneca-reaction/

    200,000 to 400,000 doses is 100,000 - 200,000 fully vaccinated people

    We cannot afford to waste that much precious vaccine over NIACs abundance of caution

    That hole in vaccination program will result in longer restrictions too


  • #5846
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,910 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    FFS, people going on about how low the risk is.
    If they can find out specifically who is vulnerable then people will be willing to take it. Until that time you'll see lots avoid AZ.


  • #5847
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Yes J&J is the real joker

    We need the 605,000 doses to be 605,000 fully vaccinated people

    If NIAC have the same advice as AZ it's going to be a disaster

    They are the same type of vaccines too aren't they? Bit offputting, despite low risk.


  • #5848
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,587 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    prunudo wrote: »
    Problem is, Nphet don't seem to appreciate this. They have shifted their approach from dealing with the current situation to what may or not happen in the future. We are in a far better place than we were in early February or March yet given the positive circumstances they are painfully slow at opening up businesses and society.
    Hospital numbers are on a constant decline and vaccinations albeit slowly are rising yet both nphet, niac and the government seem to be blinded by fear with a glacial pace of reopening and even more conservative than last year.


    I don't see any point in having a big surge of cases now, with unpredictable effects. We will get out of this because of the vaccines and a slow and steady approach which does not have to be reversed makes a lot of sense.


  • #5849
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    seamus wrote: »
    These stats vary considerably depending on age and gender.

    And at the end of the day, this isn't a long-haul flight, it's a vaccine which is being supplied in the context of something that is necessary for everyone to take.

    If we were saying that everyone in the country was being asked to make two long-haul flights this year in order to end the pandemic, then the issue of DVT would indeed come up.

    As it happens, gender is now being questioned as a factor given the cohorts who were vaccinated first. My point about the long haul flight is simply to show how rare a blood clotting event is when taking a vaccine. Similar examples could be made with contraceptive pills.


  • #5850
    [Deleted User]
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    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    "Dr McCauley told RTÉ's Today with Claire Byrne it was likely that between 200,000 to 400,000 AstraZeneca vaccines out of a total supply of 3.9 million would go unused as a result of the decision."

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0413/1209594-astrazeneca-reaction/

    200,000 to 400,000 doses is 100,000 - 200,000 fully vaccinated people

    We cannot afford to waste that much precious vaccine over NIACs abundance of caution

    That hole in vaccination program will result in longer restrictions too

    Probably 1-2 weeks Pfizer supply in Q3.


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  • #5851
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    "Dr McCauley told RTÉ's Today with Claire Byrne it was likely that between 200,000 to 400,000 AstraZeneca vaccines out of a total supply of 3.9 million would go unused as a result of the decision."

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0413/1209594-astrazeneca-reaction/

    200,000 to 400,000 doses is 100,000 - 200,000 fully vaccinated people

    We cannot afford to waste that much precious vaccine over NIACs abundance of caution

    That hole in vaccination program will result in longer restrictions too

    Perhaps they should offer those AZ vaccines to anyone who wants to take a chance with blood clotting. I'd take it if offered.


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