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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #5762
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Gael23 wrote: »
    NPHET threatening a 4th wave https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0412/1209513-nphet-committee-risk/

    ...if people increase their close contacts.

    Ronan Glynn said all of this last Thursday, as well as saying that people have been keeping their contacts low so any cases aren’t spreading as much. That’s not unreasonable is it? I’d love to see any evidence you have that suggests otherwise

    Literally nothing to see here. It’s RTE scaring people as per usual. This is why I urge people to actually watch the briefings and you can actually hear what has been said and not rely on the media cherry-picking whatever they think sounds the best for their headlines.


  • #5763
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Afraid of losing the limelight

    Attention seeking egotists at this stage.

    Whipping up fear again I see.

    They’re appearing before the Oireachtas Health Committee. What do you want them to do? Say everything is grand?

    The real doom mongers are those who are hell bent to deny and come up with these wild conspiracy theories.


  • #5764
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 203 (down from 223 last night)
    ICU 46 (down from 50 last night - 1 death)

    Last Monday
    Total 263
    ICU 55


  • #5765
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Good numbers thankfully

    Hopefully we'll hit under 200 shortly


  • #5766
    RGS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭RGS


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 203 (down from 223 last night)
    ICU 46 (down from 50 last night - 1 death)

    Last Monday
    Total 263
    ICU 55

    And glynn still on about 4th waves, cant ease restrictions.
    Is there any thing other than zero covid cases, zero covid ICU that will make glynn allow the country re open.


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  • #5767
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭Polar101


    RGS wrote: »
    Is there any thing other than zero covid cases, zero covid ICU that will make glynn allow the country re open.

    Yes. Vaccines.


  • #5768
    nocoverart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    Polar101 wrote: »
    Yes. Vaccines.

    But, but variants...


  • #5769
    ruth123456
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭ruth123456


    What is R number now?


  • #5770
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    ruth123456 wrote: »
    What is R number now?

    Good question. I'd bet 0.6-0.8


  • #5771
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Good question. I'd bet 0.6-0.8

    Next week it will be 1.1. Correlation with schools.


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  • #5772
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    RGS wrote: »
    And glynn still on about 4th waves, cant ease restrictions.
    Is there any thing other than zero covid cases, zero covid ICU that will make glynn allow the country re open.

    It’s not up to Ronan Glynn when the country reopens.

    Seriously, how people continue to peddle that nonsense and let the government away with throwing NPHET under the bus is beyond me.

    Fools. Every single one of you made a fool of by this government.


  • #5773
    Batattackrat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Batattackrat


    Faugheen wrote: »
    It’s not up to Ronan Glynn when the country reopens.

    Seriously, how people continue to peddle that nonsense and let the government away with throwing NPHET under the bus is beyond me.

    Fools. Every single one of you made a fool of by this government.

    They don't have a pair of balls between them.

    Cowards the lot of them.


  • #5774
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    We'll be under 200 in hospital by tomorrow evening all going well and we're under 50 in ICU now.

    Even with plateauing case numbers in recent weeks, we've had hospital and ICU numbers continue to decline.

    It's highly unlikely that any increase in cases unless there's an absolute explosion will have any major impact on hospital figures.

    We do have wiggle room with restrictions heading into May.

    We'd likely be able to open up some bit in May had there been a focus on regional issues in recent weeks.

    With this "new virus" that Varadkar said would never let us get below 500 cases per day, we're now averaging well below that.

    Kilkenny has an incidence rate of 15.12 per 100k. On a national level, if we had that, it would be equal to 50 cases per day in the whole country. Why is Level 5 able to produce this level of incidence in Kilkenny but not in Offaly? Offaly now has 19 times as much cases as Kilkenny despite being under the same restrictions for the last 3 months.


  • #5775
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,320 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    marno21 wrote: »
    We'll be under 200 in hospital by tomorrow evening all going well and we're under 50 in ICU now.

    Even with plateauing case numbers in recent weeks, we've had hospital and ICU numbers continue to decline.

    It's highly unlikely that any increase in cases unless there's an absolute explosion will have any major impact on hospital figures.

    We do have wiggle room with restrictions heading into May.

    We'd likely be able to open up some bit in May had there been a focus on regional issues in recent weeks.

    With this "new virus" that Varadkar said would never let us get below 500 cases per day, we're now averaging well below that.

    Kilkenny has an incidence rate of 15.12 per 100k. On a national level, if we had that, it would be equal to 50 cases per day in the whole country. Why is Level 5 able to produce this level of incidence in Kilkenny but not in Offaly? Offaly now has 19 times as much cases as Kilkenny despite being under the same restrictions for the last 3 months.

    Because they are Offaly bad :D


  • #5776
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Because they are Offaly bad :D

    :D


  • #5777
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,588 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Of course they are

    The next 6 weeks is vital

    Just hold on a little longer

    Then rinse and repeat at the end of June

    This isn't a reasonable analysis, by the end of June three quarters of people will have had a vaccine shot and circumstances will be much better, not perfect, but better.


  • #5778
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,220 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    This isn't a reasonable analysis, by the end of June three quarters of people will have had a vaccine shot and circumstances will be much better, not perfect, but better.

    Problem is, Nphet don't seem to appreciate this. They have shifted their approach from dealing with the current situation to what may or not happen in the future. We are in a far better place than we were in early February or March yet given the positive circumstances they are painfully slow at opening up businesses and society.
    Hospital numbers are on a constant decline and vaccinations albeit slowly are rising yet both nphet, niac and the government seem to be blinded by fear with a glacial pace of reopening and even more conservative than last year.


  • #5779
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    prunudo wrote: »
    Problem is, Nphet don't seem to appreciate this. They have shifted their approach from dealing with the current situation to what may or not happen in the future. We are in a far better place than we were in early February or March yet given the positive circumstances they are painfully slow at opening up businesses and society.
    Hospital numbers are on a constant decline and vaccinations albeit slowly are rising yet both nphet, niac and the government seem to be blinded by fear with a glacial pace of reopening and even more conservative than last year.

    They are most likely looking at what is happening in most other countries after opening up too much too soon and dont want to repeat those mistakes. Have a look at what the situation is globally.
    Apart from the highly vaccinated UK and Israel it's not great. Its terrible actually and getting worse.


  • #5780
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 513 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Apparently zero covid was laughably impossible because of it's such a big old world, but vaccination is the silver bullet in spite of it's still being such a big old world. :confused:
    2.2% of the world have been fully vaccinated so far. Only 97.8% to quickly squeeze in before the 'booster shots for variants' round.


  • #5781
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    prunudo wrote: »
    Problem is, Nphet don't seem to appreciate this. They have shifted their approach from dealing with the current situation to what may or not happen in the future. We are in a far better place than we were in early February or March yet given the positive circumstances they are painfully slow at opening up businesses and society.
    Hospital numbers are on a constant decline and vaccinations albeit slowly are rising yet both nphet, niac and the government seem to be blinded by fear with a glacial pace of reopening and even more conservative than last year.

    Do you agree that opening too fast has a highly likely chance to lead to an increase in close contacts, which have been remaining steady for a few weeks now?

    The people likely to mix in larger numbers are those who haven’t had a vaccine. That’s a fact.

    Ronan Glynn said all of this last Thursday, yet people who don’t actually watch the briefings have no idea of any context as to why these statements are being made.

    If NPHET weren’t overly conservative then it wouldn’t be doing it’s job. The government is supposed to balance out its recommendations with the potential impact on the economy and society.

    There is a committee of all the top civil servants that is supposed to analyse all of this, as well as a Cabinet Sub-Committee made up of the Taoiseach, Tanaiste and the ministers for health, finance, public expenditure and transport.

    Who exactly is doing their jobs here, and who isn’t?

    The people who aren’t doing their jobs are the ones who are getting the vitriol compared to what’s thrown at those who are doing their jobs.


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  • #5782
    opinionated3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Faugheen wrote: »
    It’s not up to Ronan Glynn when the country reopens.

    Seriously, how people continue to peddle that nonsense and let the government away with throwing NPHET under the bus is beyond me.

    Fools. Every single one of you made a fool of by this government.

    But aren't the government taking their cue from nphet right now? Which is lockdown!


  • #5783
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 513 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Going to Lanzarote on yer holliers, Christmas 2026

    Official : Vaccine passport, please
    You : There you go, mam. :)
    Official : Sorry sir but this record is incomplete. :mad:
    You : :confused: But I have had 37 shots of vaccine.
    Official : I am afraid you are not up to date with the Shanghai variant, the Toronto twist nor have you had the Bengal booster. :eek: ¡No pasarán! today, baby!


  • #5784
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,220 ✭✭✭prunudo


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    They are most likely looking at what is happening in most other countries after opening up too much too soon and dont want to repeat those mistakes. Have a look at what the situation is globally.
    Apart from the highly vaccinated UK and Israel it's not great. Its terrible actually and getting worse.

    We are approaching 4 months since non essential retail, hairdressing and many sports training was allowed. We have only just been given the go ahead to meet family or friends but not in our own gardens. They are so conservative its ridiculous. For the life of me I can't see how click and collect isn't allowed.
    We should have started easing on March 5th, not full on open hospitality but there should have been a gentle easing.
    And lets not forget, what is happening in Europe is what we were dealing with at the start of the year.


  • #5785
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,477 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    But aren't the government taking their cue from nphet right now? Which is lockdown!

    The government are choosing to take their cue from NPHET.

    You can't expect public health professionals to advocate for disease and death. It would be like your doctor advising you to drink alcohol or snort coke.

    Who passes the lockdown legislation? Not NPHET.


  • #5786
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    But aren't the government taking their cue from nphet right now? Which is lockdown!

    Exactly! And they are hiding behind them and pointing the finger at them as if NPHET call the shots, when they don’t!

    When things are going well, the government opens up and takes all credit. When it’s going badly, they say they have to follow the public health advice with zero responsibility for ignoring NPHET for the guts of a year!!

    Your post literally proved my point. I’m blue in the face trying to make this point and people (Doctor Jimbob aside, to be fair) refuse to listen because it doesn’t line up with their thinking.

    The media is playing a role in this as well. They’re painting NPHET as the decision-makers when they aren’t!


  • #5787
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,220 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Do you agree that opening too fast has a highly likely chance to lead to an increase in close contacts, which have been remaining steady for a few weeks now?

    The people likely to mix in larger numbers are those who haven’t had a vaccine. That’s a fact.

    Ronan Glynn said all of this last Thursday, yet people who don’t actually watch the briefings have no idea of any context as to why these statements are being made.

    If NPHET weren’t overly conservative then it wouldn’t be doing it’s job. The government is supposed to balance out its recommendations with the potential impact on the economy and society.

    There is a committee of all the top civil servants that is supposed to analyse all of this, as well as a Cabinet Sub-Committee made up of the Taoiseach, Tanaiste and the ministers for health, finance, public expenditure and transport.

    Who exactly is doing their jobs here, and who isn’t?

    The people who aren’t doing their jobs are the ones who are getting the vitriol compared to what’s thrown at those who are doing their jobs.

    Opening up too fast, don't make me laugh.


  • #5788
    Golfman64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    prunudo wrote: »
    We are approaching 4 months since non essential retail, hairdressing and many sports training was allowed. We have only just been given the go ahead to meet family or friends but not in our own gardens. They are so conservative its ridiculous. For the life of me I can't see how click and collect isn't allowed.
    We should have started easing on March 5th, not full on open hospitality but there should have been a gentle easing.
    And lets not forget, what is happening in Europe is what we were dealing with at the start of the year.

    It’s complete insanity - the most conservative lockdown, the most conservative reopening, the most conservative approach to the economy, the most conservative approach to vaccines. We urgently need a government with a semblance of a spine to get us out of this loop of doom and misery!

    No one is suggesting a full and immediate reopening while we have only 20% of the population with their first dose but to continue to have outside sports, click/collect, outdoor dining and other low risk activities closed is laughable.


  • #5789
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    prunudo wrote: »
    Opening up too fast, don't make me laugh.

    Cherry-picked a statement and used it to misrepresent what was being said.

    No response to the question I actually asked, which shows you are truly out of your depth when the facts are spelt out for you.


  • #5790
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    prunudo wrote: »
    We are approaching 4 months since non essential retail, hairdressing and many sports training was allowed. We have only just been given the go ahead to meet family or friends but not in our own gardens. They are so conservative its ridiculous. For the life of me I can't see how click and collect isn't allowed.
    We should have started easing on March 5th, not full on open hospitality but there should have been a gentle easing.
    And lets not forget, what is happening in Europe is what we were dealing with at the start of the year.

    They are not allowing click and collect in case some of us are bold and pop in to our friend for coffee on the way back .Or can any one enlighten me of any other reason ?
    They are not allowing us buy shoes and get the childrens feet properly for some reason only known to them .
    They are not allowing people meet in gardens in case were are silly billys and move indoors when we need to pee .
    Treating people like bold children is the massive mistake they make so that people loose the will and do exactly what they think is best anyway .
    I will be meeting my friend in my garden where we are safer than a small bench in a packed park and feck NPHET because I am an adult who knows my own risks and where i am safer .,


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  • #5791
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,302 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I will be meeting my friend in my garden where we are safer than a small bench in a packed park and hump them because I am an adult who knows my own risks and where i am safer .,

    At least take precautions.


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