Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

prunudo wrote: »

Was anything of interest said at the briefing?

Cross-posting from Vaccine thread:

From watching the conference it seems there may be provision for those under 60 to take AZ vaccine still, once they accept the risk as outlined to them individually, relative to their age group, that was my interpretation anyway. Presumably a waiver like that of which was previously alluded to in this thread would have to be devised in such an eventuality.

They also stated this decision was being made out of abundance of caution and is tied in to the current epidemiological situation i.e. if rates of Covid were higher, they would have in all likelihood have gone lower in terms of age recommendation to take AZ vaccine, weighing up the current risk of getting Covid relative to the age groups and risk of this rare severe adverse reaction to taking AZ vaccine and working off the relative data available to them currently


ETA: first point may only happen in a situation where there is a shortage of other vaccines and a surplus of the AZ one, with risks of taking this for under 60 age cohort made clear on individual level depending on their age range.

The AZ decision will push back any kind of normal Summer in Ireland this year. Young people have a longer queue to get a vaccine.

caveat emptor wrote: »

They also made the point that there are other severe outcomes from the disease not including death which may make the low risk of the clotting event worth it in the younger group...

Any chance you could make all those pictures a bit smaller???????:)

alentejo wrote: »

The AZ decision will push back any kind of normal Summer in Ireland this year. Young people have a longer queue to get a vaccine.

Could we open pop up vaccination centres instead of pop up testing centres and allow people to take the AZ vaccine if they sign a waiver and weigh up the risks themselves?

RedPaddyX wrote: »

Listening to David McWilliams podcast earlier - some very interesting stats, eg

- Ireland has lowest old people demographic in Europe, ie our vulnerable pop is way lower
- we spend the most per head of population on our health service. Yet still have by far lowest number of ICU beds per pop.
- we have locked down for longer than nearly every other country (231days vs 41days in Denmark for example)

In other words our handling of this has been a disaster/poor. And our health service is grossly mismanaged. And we’ve also destroyed - continue to even further destroy our economy.

https://overcast.fm/+SE4yimgo0

The first and last point of the three predated the pandemic.
The middle one re lockdown is valid .
One would expect an economist to be concerned about the economy , as one would expect public health to be concerned about infected cases .
No surprise David McWilliams has something to say .

Discussion on Claire Byrne is a rerun from April 2020 right?

podgeandrodge wrote: »

France said under 55s who received a first injection of the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine should be given a jab from a different producer for their second dose, a ruling affecting more than 500,000 people

Is this how vaccines work? Is there any grounds to suggest that this works?

This mixing of different vaccines increases my hesitancy ten fold, is it now a pick and mix at the cinema?.

Goldengirl wrote: »

The first and last point of the three predated the pandemic.
The middle one re lockdown is valid .
One would expect an economist to be concerned about the economy , as one would expect public health to be concerned about infected cases .
No surprise David McWilliams has something to say .

Just listen to the first 15min of the podcast and you’ll get the context. The basic message is our results of handling the pandemic are much poorer than they should have been despite doing much further damage to our economy. The extreme damage being caused to multiple sectors of economy (small business ecosystem, aviation, tourism, multinationals) is detrimental.

RedPaddyX wrote: »

Just listen to the first 15min of the podcast and you’ll get the context. The basic message is our results of handling the pandemic are much poorer than they should have been despite doing much further damage to our economy. The extreme damage being caused to multiple sectors of economy (small business ecosystem, aviation, tourism, multinationals) is detrimental.

I will but can't promise to agree with Mr McWilliams

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

No what France are doing has not been sanctioned, they are taking a risk from what I can see.

Kingston Mills tonight saying not a risk as such as both will give immunity , but outside of regulations alright and would be difficult to work out immunity being given .
Might be better !
But then effectively ditching AZ which will result on pressure on other supplies.
There has been discussion about just one dose of Pfizer for example witha later booster , for example , as one dose gives such good immunity .

Gael23 wrote: »

NPHET threatening a 4th wave https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0412/1209513-nphet-committee-risk/

Why?

Gael23 wrote: »

NPHET threatening a 4th wave https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0412/1209513-nphet-committee-risk/

Of course they are

The next 6 weeks is vital

Just hold on a little longer

Then rinse and repeat at the end of June

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Of course they are

The next 6 weeks is vital

Just hold on a little longer

Then rinse and repeat at the end of June

Rinse repeat July, August, September and so on.

I wonder how Irish jealousy of England's situation manifest itself in the next few weeks.

hotmail.com wrote: »

I wonder how Irish jealousy of England's situation manifest itself in the next few weeks.

If there’s no considerable give in May there’s going to be problems