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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #5612
    Normal One
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭Normal One


    Stheno wrote: »
    Agree on this. Veradkar stating back in January that there would need to be less than 50in ICU for any major easing may come back to haunt them.

    Must go see if I can find a link to that being reported

    He said it here

    https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-the-hard-shoulder/leo-varadkar-icu-numbers-to-be-below-50-before-we-reopen


  • #5613
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    kleiner feigling wrote: »
    You make some fair points, and I agree that the emergency measures were initially necessary - but I can't get behind the forced closure of businesses since Christmas.
    With the vaccine rollout and greater knowledge overall, I just don't think its proportionate for the Government to potentially use the same reactive measures as they have done to date. Most of the measures simply don't makes sense (eg regarding outdoor activity/movement).
    I've definitely lost confidence in their competency to manage this situation when they keep resorting to extremely strict lockdowns.

    That's OK... Just think back to December and remember what happened,how fast it happened, how many people died and how long it took to come to some level of control again. That puts my mind at ease about the lockdown policy and the cautious approach to reopening.

    Today is day one of a potential re-set.... lets see how the two week incubation and breakout period goes first, before we call for further relaxations.


  • #5614
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    That's OK... Just think back to December and remember what happened,how fast it happened, how many people died and how long it took to come to some level of control again. That puts my mind at ease about the lockdown policy and the cautious approach to reopening.

    Today is day one of a potential re-set.... lets see how the two week incubation and breakout period goes first, before we call for further relaxations.

    That’s when the disease was peaking during respiratory illness season though.

    A third of a year has passed since then.


  • #5615
    RGS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭RGS


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    That's OK... Just think back to December and remember what happened,how fast it happened, how many people died and how long it took to come to some level of control again. That puts my mind at ease about the lockdown policy and the cautious approach to reopening.

    Today is day one of a potential re-set.... lets see how the two week incubation and breakout period goes first, before we call for further relaxations.



    This is not December. We have vaccinated HCWS and a lot of the vulnerable.


    December happen because of a number of factors, a 6 week lockdown from early October thanks to NPHET, a 3 week Christmas window, Leo told us we would be locked down in January.


    Our easing of restrictions are far too slow.
    Plenty of things could open successfully now--Outdoor not contact sports, kids training, click and collect, Hairdressers and barbers.
    In May we should have outdoor dining open, adult sport training, kids competitive sports and after June bank holiday all hotels should be open.


  • #5616
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kleiner feigling wrote: »
    I'd urge everyone here to please write to your TDs ahead of the June vote to extend Part 3 of the Health Act (which facilitated the draconian rules around business closures, fines, and the 2k, 5k restrictions etc.)

    The site below gives TD contact details and sample letters you can use/amend as you see fit.
    I for one do not want to see these government powers extended any further.
    We are all well aware of where the risks lie and how to protect ourselves at this stage, and it is time for businesses to be allowed to reopen safely.

    https://ichr.ie/proposed-extension-of-part-3-of-the-health/

    Will do.

    For me it’s not about ditching the whole concept. It’s about allowing nuance, re vaccinations of individuals, and the vaccination status of countries, certain essential travel, and a clear set of criteria for countries going on and off. It’s true that we don’t want people flying in on tourist visas from Brazil. But at the same time we need to facilitate life going on in a highly family and professionally interconnected country


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  • #5617
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    kleiner feigling wrote: »
    .
    We are all well aware of where the risks lie and how to protect ourselves at this stage

    12 months, 3 successive waves, thousands of hospitalisations and deaths says otherwise.


  • #5618
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    kleiner feigling wrote: »
    I'd urge everyone here to please write to your TDs ahead of the June vote to extend Part 3 of the Health Act (which facilitated the draconian rules around business closures, fines, and the 2k, 5k restrictions etc.)

    The site below gives TD contact details and sample letters you can use/amend as you see fit.
    I for one do not want to see these government powers extended any further.
    We are all well aware of where the risks lie and how to protect ourselves at this stage, and it is time for businesses to be allowed to reopen safely.

    https://ichr.ie/proposed-extension-of-part-3-of-the-health/

    Brilliant, thanks for posting that. Emails sent.


  • #5619
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Turtwig wrote: »
    12 months, 3 successive waves, thousands of hospitalisations and deaths says otherwise.

    Are you seriously trying to say that we don't know where the risks are in relation to covid? Seriously?

    Honestly, this crap is a ****ing religion to some people.


  • #5620
    [Deleted User]
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    bucketybuck wrote: »
    Are you seriously trying to say that we don't know where the risks are in relation to covid? Seriously?

    Honestly, this crap is a ****ing religion to some people.

    The risks apply to a tiny proportion of the population, as another poster outlined all nuance is out the window. Effectively burning down the house to flush out a rodent (copyright attributed to Facehugger99 before a miserable pedant cries foul). Lockdown an incredibly blunt tool that has negatively impacted the livelihoods of a half million people, mine included. Those at genuine risk are nearly vaccinated, rest of younger and healthy populace have been mercilessly punished for too long and this needs to stop now.


  • #5621
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    Are you seriously trying to say that we don't know where the risks are in relation to covid? Seriously?

    Honestly, this crap is a ****ing religion to some people.

    Yep.
    As a society we have collectively failed over and over at controlling it. I prefer looking at results over beliefs. (The opposite of religion.) The results so far indicate to me that not everyone understands the risks as well as the post I was replying to was claiming.

    This is not the same btw as saying nobody understands the risk. There is also an element too of understanding them and ignoring them. There's a balance to everything.

    I just feel the results to date suggest we're not as good as we claim to be at understanding and managing risk when it comes to covid. If we were we wouldnt have had to ensure a long drawn shtty year.


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  • #5622
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    Turtwig wrote: »
    Yep.
    As a society we have collectively failed over and over at controlling it. I prefer looking at results over beliefs. (The opposite of religion.) The results so far indicate to me that not everyone understands the risks as well as the post I was replying to was claiming.

    This is not the same btw as saying nobody understands the risk. There is also an element too of understanding them and ignoring them. There's a balance to everything.

    I just feel the results to date suggest we're not as good as we claim to be at understanding and managing risk when it comes to covid. If we were we wouldnt have had to ensure a long drawn shtty year.

    We understand the risk.

    There is a possibility of getting sick when you step outside the door.

    Even if you don’t, you’ll likely get sick eventually anyways.


  • #5623
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,930 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The risks apply to a tiny proportion of the population, as another poster outlined all nuance is out the window. Effectively burning down the house to flush out a rodent (copyright attributed to Facehugger99 before a miserable pedant cries foul). Lockdown an incredibly blunt tool that has negatively impacted the livelihoods of a half million people, mine included. Those at genuine risk are nearly vaccinated, rest of younger and healthy populace have been mercilessly punished for too long and this needs to stop now.

    I've not been vaccinated yet, I'm in the 'At Risk' category, there's a heap of us to be done yet.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #5624
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Has there been any more news on booking your vaccine online for the 65 to 69 age group? I heard last week that it was being brought forward to this week but nothing since.


  • #5625
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Turtwig wrote: »
    I just feel the results to date suggest we're not as good as we claim to be at understanding and managing risk when it comes to covid. If we were we wouldnt have had to ensure a long drawn shtty year.
    Ah, you are one of those who blame the people for what happened as opposed to a government response that wasn't fit for purpose.

    "The beatings will continue until employee morale improves" used to be a joke, strange to see some people actually using it seriously.


  • #5626
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    Has there been any more news on booking your vaccine online for the 65 to 69 age group? I heard last week that it was being brought forward to this week but nothing since.

    Meanwhile up North if you are over 40 you can book a vaccine for tomorrow.


  • #5627
    vienne86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,076 ✭✭✭✭vienne86


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    Has there been any more news on booking your vaccine online for the 65 to 69 age group? I heard last week that it was being brought forward to this week but nothing since.

    Not yet - they'll wait for NIAC to report on AstraZeneca before they say anything further about vaccine rollout.


  • #5628
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,562 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    Are you seriously trying to say that we don't know where the risks are in relation to covid? Seriously?

    You still have people saying restaurants and gyms are safe and low-risk environments for Covid. So yes, society as a whole doesn't seem to know where the risks are in relation to Covid.


  • #5629
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Amirani wrote: »
    You still have people saying restaurants and gyms are safe and low-risk environments for Covid. So yes, society as a whole doesn't seem to know where the risks are in relation to Covid.

    For most of us they can be both safe and high risk for covid.


  • #5630
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Amirani wrote: »
    You still have people saying restaurants and gyms are safe and low-risk environments for Covid. So yes, society as a whole doesn't seem to know where the risks are in relation to Covid.

    What utter guff. No, "some people saying" does not equal "society as a whole".


  • #5631
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    Ah, you are one of those who blame the people for what happened as opposed to a government response that wasn't fit for purpose.

    "The beatings will continue until employee morale improves" used to be a joke, strange to see some people actually using it seriously.

    One of those?
    Everything is so much easier to dismiss when you can cast it into a group.

    Blame? I'm not attributing blame to anyone, leaders or ordinary individuals. The government's performance and our own public health teams left a lot to be desired. But blame?

    As far as I'm concerned it's the viruses fault. Except that's inanimate so no real blame there.

    It's really harsh to blame people for something they've no experience of. No expectations to go by. So many sources of anxiety, fear, stress and uncertainty to contend with. Blame is rarely the way to go. Certainly not here. Everyone got landed in a shtty situation. The vast majority I believe tried their best. Even where there have been disagreements people by and large have still wanted the same outcomes.


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  • #5632
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    Amirani wrote: »
    You still have people saying restaurants and gyms are safe and low-risk environments for Covid. So yes, society as a whole doesn't seem to know where the risks are in relation to Covid.

    Or maybe people just accept the risk. I’ve heard the survival rate isn’t too bad.


  • #5633
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,286 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    NIAC to recommend restriction of AstraZeneca vaccine to over-60s

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0412/1209247-coronavirus-vaccine-ireland/


  • #5634
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Ouch

    That's a big blow to the vaccination program


  • #5635
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Amirani wrote: »
    You still have people saying restaurants and gyms are safe and low-risk environments for Covid. So yes, society as a whole doesn't seem to know where the risks are in relation to Covid.

    well consider the minister for education states that schools are safe and yet many outbreaks are linked to schools, no matter how many times you bleat "they brought it from home to school"...I hadn't heard of any newsworthy GYM outbreaks anyway. looking back over the last year, the GOVT et al dont know the risks either, Golfgate..neither do RTE the mouthpiece for a pandemic..

    What do you expect when people are told not to visit parents or even go in their gardens and yet Ryan tubridy had a Session last Friday night with singing, and all without masks... it's not that they don't know, they're gone past caring.


  • #5636
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,302 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Ouch

    That's a big blow to the vaccination program

    Not really. They can just use the supplies of the AZ vaccine on that age group and free up the others for the younger ages.


  • #5637
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Not really. They can just use the supplies of the AZ vaccine on that age group and free up the others for the younger ages.

    they'll run out of that age group reasonably quickly


  • #5638
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Ouch

    That's a big blow to the vaccination program

    Would almost make you think the disease isn’t so bad if we can afford to be that choosy over the vaccine


  • #5639
    Dunmoreroader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭Dunmoreroader


    Here's the Gov.ie Travel restrictions from today;

    "People are required to stay at home except for travel for work, education or other essential purposes. From 12 April, you can travel within your own county or within 20km of your home if crossing county boundaries."

    So is that 20km driving or 20km as the crow flies?
    E.g. Waterford city to Hook Head Co. Wexford is less than 20km as the crow flies but 30km getting the Passage East-Ballyhack ferry and 50km if you have to drive up through New Ross.


  • #5640
    alentejo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 969 ✭✭✭alentejo


    Eod100 wrote: »
    NIAC to recommend restriction of AstraZeneca vaccine to over-60s

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0412/1209247-coronavirus-vaccine-ireland/

    Well - You can now push back the adult population being vaccinated until the end of October!

    I suspect more people will die of covid that the blood clots associated with AZ


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  • #5641
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    Dunmoreroader wrote: »
    Here's the Gov.ie Travel restrictions from today;

    "People are required to stay at home except for travel for work, education or other essential purposes. From 12 April, you can travel within your own county or within 20km of your home if crossing county boundaries."

    So is that 20km driving or 20km as the crow flies?
    E.g. Waterford city to Hook Head Co. Wexford is less than 20km as the crow flies but 30km getting the Passage East-Ballyhack ferry and 50km if you have to drive up through New Ross.

    It’s literally always been the radius from your home, ever since the start of this whole thing. Whether 2km, 5km or 20km


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