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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #5552
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The impression you get is that an appeal will just be rejected out of hand. The system needs to be challenged for legality and robustness.

    To be honest, that appears to be a common tactic in dealing with government departments. Reject appeals to filter out the less determined, only the really determined will go on to take their appeal to a higher level or ultimately take their case to court before finally succeeding.


  • #5553
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,436 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Interesting from the IT today

    Donnelly queries exclusion from department tweets
    Simon Carswell
    Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly queried why he was not being mentioned in tweets posted on the Department of Health’s Twitter feed, internal department records show.

    She questioned him on that very article - at one point he couldn’t get the words out!


  • #5554
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Interesting from the IT today

    Donnelly queries exclusion from department tweets
    Simon Carswell
    Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly queried why he was not being mentioned in tweets posted on the Department of Health’s Twitter feed, internal department records show.

    Was quite funny listening to him stumble through that question on morning Ireland


  • #5555
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Hard to justify Golf as essential.
    But then if you allow it, based on it being outdoors and played solo, then they have to allow a whole lot of outdoor solo activities:
    Kayaking
    Surfing
    Paddle boarding
    Horseback riding
    Archery
    Scuba diving
    Fishing
    Windsurfing
    Sailing
    Diving
    etc...

    Or is golf allowed as as it on private property?
    So 2 guys meeting up in a garden with 2 hurleys, a flag, a flaggan of cider and a hole dug out can be classed as golf.... once they use a gold ball of course.
    Once something is allowed, then it's always up for bending the rules etc....

    For the greater good, who really gives a **** about golf?
    We've been at this over a year, not every question should be about whether something is 'essential' or not. Its utter nonsense. People searching for reasons to not allow an activity, it should be the opposite.

    Golf should never have been stopped. If you think otherwise you've completely lost sight of what the virus is. We should be stopping activities because they're risky, not because it looks bad, not because it raises questions about other activities, not because of who it effects.

    But hey, apparently golf is only a risky activity in Ireland.


  • #5556
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    Did he say if it was safe to get back on a trampoline from today?


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  • #5557
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Big day re. easing restrictions in the UK today.

    Wish them well.


  • #5558
    JDxtra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    leahyl wrote: »
    Being totally caught out now by Mary Wilson - he’s stumbling over his words.

    He's totally out of his depth.

    The Minister for Health should not care about what tweets he is/isn't mentioned - especially at the height of the pandemic back in January.


  • #5559
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Not 100% effective. More to come.

    That's some serious crystal ball stuff..

    We don't know if a variants becomes one of concern and evades vaccines. It hasn't happened yet and there have been thousands of variants. It might happen, who knows.

    What is being understood more now is that antibodies aren't the only thing fighting infection. T-cells stay around long after antibodies wane and they do a job to fight the virus too, and not exclusively with any one variant.

    To say otherwise and predict the future is a waste of mental energy imo.


  • #5560
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    JDxtra wrote: »
    He's totally out of his depth.

    The Minister for Health should not care about what tweets he is/isn't mentioned - especially at the height of the pandemic back in January.

    Good point about timing particularly. Article in question https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/stephen-donnelly-queries-why-his-department-s-tweets-don-t-mention-him-1.4534536?mode=amp


  • #5561
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,303 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Hard to justify Golf as essential.
    But then if you allow it, based on it being outdoors and played solo, then they have to allow a whole lot of outdoor solo activities:
    Kayaking
    Surfing
    Paddle boarding
    Horseback riding
    Archery
    Scuba diving
    Fishing
    Windsurfing
    Sailing
    Diving
    etc...

    Or is golf allowed as as it on private property?
    So 2 guys meeting up in a garden with 2 hurleys, a flag, a flaggan of cider and a hole dug out can be classed as golf.... once they use a gold ball of course.
    Once something is allowed, then it's always up for bending the rules etc....

    For the greater good, who really gives a **** about golf?

    Where have you been. Most of those other activities have been ongoing within your 5km and now further afield. You could always fish, kayak, wind surf etc...


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  • #5562
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Kiith wrote: »
    Yeah, it'd be terrible if people were allowed to do outdoor activities that pose practically no risk to anyone :rolleyes:
    This has been one long morality exercise in Ireland. Other countries seem to have had much more emphasis on science and risk, but we've outdone ourselves with trying to find someone/something to blame.

    I think it's because our restrictions were relatively lightly enforced, which meant the government were relying on public opinion to enforce them. Much of that opinion is poorly educated about where the risks are, and keep trying for zero risk in the areas they target instead of risk reduction.

    Of course there's a risk with anything (e.g. people stupidly deciding to car-share on the way to an outdoor activity), but those risks are relatively low and are given far too much prominence. I knew myself we had reached that point when media and social media lit up with outrage at people going for a hike on the side of a mountain, I can't think of much which represents less of a risk.

    We have the same thing now with MHQ. RTE blasting out headlines about how three outbreaks (out of 385) could be traced back to plane travel. Nevermind all the other outbreaks, the entire attention of the country is focused on the morally deficient people who are travelling and demand zero risk (e.g. serious talk about detaining people who are both vaccinated and recently tested in case they are carrying the virus).


  • #5563
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Not 100% effective. More to come.
    Against death and serious illness they are. There are now at least 750,000 variants so yes of course there will be more but that doesn't mean a new VUI will automatically become a VOC. TBH hard to see here whether you welcome them or are using them as an opportunity to defend our ongoing approach.


  • #5564
    RGS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭RGS


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Hard to justify Golf as essential.
    But then if you allow it, based on it being outdoors and played solo, then they have to allow a whole lot of outdoor solo activities:
    Kayaking
    Surfing
    Paddle boarding
    Horseback riding
    Archery
    Scuba diving
    Fishing
    Windsurfing
    Sailing
    Diving
    etc...

    Or is golf allowed as as it on private property?
    So 2 guys meeting up in a garden with 2 hurleys, a flag, a flaggan of cider and a hole dug out can be classed as golf.... once they use a gold ball of course.
    Once something is allowed, then it's always up for bending the rules etc....

    For the greater good, who really gives a **** about golf?


    Nothing to stop any one doing most of the activities you mention as most of the activities take place in public places. Horseriding schools I presume are closed.
    Golf and Tennis take place in enclosed private properties so easy to keep closed. That's the main reason golf and tennis are mentioned by posters. They are specifically prohibited.


  • #5565
    RGS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭RGS


    JDxtra wrote: »
    He's totally out of his depth.

    The Minister for Health should not care about what tweets he is/isn't mentioned - especially at the height of the pandemic back in January.



    100% agree. To complain about the number of mentions he is getting in tweets is childish and IMO shows a total immaturity.


    More worried about how many times Harris is mentioned in tweets than dealing with our health problems.


  • #5566
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    Donnelly used an interesting phrase on Morning Ireland regarding the vaccines - something along the lines of "80% of people will be in a position to be offered the vaccine"

    Up to now I've only heard "offered the vaccine". Is this a watering down of the target? Will they open up the booking portal at the end of June and therefore you are "in a position to be offered"


  • #5567
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,303 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Not 100% effective. More to come.

    They were never 100%.


  • #5568
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,303 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    Donnelly used an interesting phrase on Morning Ireland regarding the vaccines - something along the lines of "80% of people will be in a position to be offered the vaccine"

    Up to now I've only heard "offered the vaccine". Is this a watering down of the target? Will they open up the booking portal at the end of June and therefore you are "in a position to be offered"

    You're over thinking it.


  • #5569
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    Donnelly used an interesting phrase on Morning Ireland regarding the vaccines - something along the lines of "80% of people will be in a position to be offered the vaccine"

    Up to now I've only heard "offered the vaccine". Is this a watering down of the target? Will they open up the booking portal at the end of June and therefore you are "in a position to be offered"
    The portal is flagged to be available in the next couple of weeks, first to the 65-69 group. That Donnelly comment is just what they hope and the big number is aimed at giving people hope. It's still largely only first shots.


  • #5570
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    Donnelly used an interesting phrase on Morning Ireland regarding the vaccines - something along the lines of "80% of people will be in a position to be offered the vaccine"

    Up to now I've only heard "offered the vaccine". Is this a watering down of the target? Will they open up the booking portal at the end of June and therefore you are "in a position to be offered"
    Yes, and I don't think that's any secret. There will be people who will book themselves in during June and won't get it till early July, and they'll be counted in the 80%.

    But there's nothing more nefarious than that. I've seen hysterics claim that they will "offer" vaccines that they don't have and people won't get vaccinated till October.

    Which is nonsense.

    They use the word "offered" for the simple reason that they can't force people to take it. If they say "80% will be vaccinated" and they miss that target because people don't take the vaccine, then they'll be dragged over hot coals. If they "offer" it to 80% and only 70% take it up then they can say they hit their target.


  • #5571
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    seamus wrote: »
    Yes, and I don't think that's any secret. There will be people who will book themselves in during June and won't get it till early July, and they'll be counted in the 80%.

    But there's nothing more nefarious than that. I've seen hysterics claim that they will "offer" vaccines that they don't have and people won't get vaccinated till October.

    Which is nonsense.

    They use the word "offered" for the simple reason that they can't force people to take it. If they say "80% will be vaccinated" and they miss that target because people don't take the vaccine, then they'll be dragged over hot coals. If they "offer" it to 80% and only 70% take it up then they can say they hit their target.

    Yeah but what about the "in a position to be". These guys choose their words carefully


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  • #5572
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    I know it's easy to give out about everything government ministers do but surely this latest nonsense shows the man isn't up to the job? This happened in January- our overall peak of covid to date. You would think that our minister for health would have his hands full with that, but no, he's combing through tweets to see how often he's mentioned and throwing a strop because Simon Harris is mentioned more.
    It bothers him because Twitter is his chosen medium whereas Harris will have a chat with a three legged dog. He's also too eager to please and to make an impression. A lot of the "tough" decisions have his worldview all over them.


  • #5573
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Hard to justify Golf as essential.
    But then if you allow it, based on it being outdoors and played solo, then they have to allow a whole lot of outdoor solo activities:
    Kayaking
    Surfing
    Paddle boarding
    Horseback riding
    Archery
    Scuba diving
    Fishing
    Windsurfing
    Sailing
    Diving
    etc...

    Or is golf allowed as as it on private property?
    So 2 guys meeting up in a garden with 2 hurleys, a flag, a flaggan of cider and a hole dug out can be classed as golf.... once they use a gold ball of course.
    Once something is allowed, then it's always up for bending the rules etc....

    For the greater good, who really gives a **** about golf?

    None of these things should have ever been closed to begin with.


  • #5574
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    celt262 wrote: »
    Anyone hear anything about a convoy of travellers landing down to Pfizer demanding the vaccine ? Just got a video send to me of loads of caravans and vehicles pulling up outside a factory.

    https://twitter.com/DDemom1/status/1381342797656117261


  • #5575
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Hard to justify Golf as essential.
    But then if you allow it, based on it being outdoors and played solo, then they have to allow a whole lot of outdoor solo activities:
    Kayaking
    Surfing
    Paddle boarding
    Horseback riding
    Archery
    Scuba diving
    Fishing
    Windsurfing
    Sailing
    Diving
    etc...

    Or is golf allowed as as it on private property?
    So 2 guys meeting up in a garden with 2 hurleys, a flag, a flaggan of cider and a hole dug out can be classed as golf.... once they use a gold ball of course.
    Once something is allowed, then it's always up for bending the rules etc....

    For the greater good, who really gives a **** about golf?

    scuba diving was allowed with one other person within your 5km (otherwise your cft insurance was invalid) apart form golf /tennis or where you need club facilities. the only limit was the 5km and the households .

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #5576
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    mloc123 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/DDemom1/status/1381342797656117261

    Wrong vaccine company for them, very likely they'll be getting J&J when it arrives in the next week or so.


  • #5577
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    mloc123 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/DDemom1/status/1381342797656117261


    Robin Wellfare? ummmhh.


  • #5578
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Wrong vaccine company for them, very likely they'll be getting J&J when it arrives in the next week or so.

    the comments are funny that pfizer dont make the vaccine in Ireland !

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #5579
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,706 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Hard to justify Golf as essential.
    But then if you allow it, based on it being outdoors and played solo, then they have to allow a whole lot of outdoor solo activities:
    Kayaking
    Surfing
    Paddle boarding
    Horseback riding
    Archery
    Scuba diving
    Fishing
    Windsurfing
    Sailing
    Diving
    etc...

    Or is golf allowed as as it on private property?
    So 2 guys meeting up in a garden with 2 hurleys, a flag, a flaggan of cider and a hole dug out can be classed as golf.... once they use a gold ball of course.
    Once something is allowed, then it's always up for bending the rules etc....

    For the greater good, who really gives a **** about golf?

    I have been fishing and kayaking all winter long!

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #5580
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ednwireland wrote: »
    the comments are funny that pfizer dont make the vaccine in Ireland !
    Indeed.


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  • #5581
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,629 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Oh Here we go....

    Israel study says SA variant can "bypass" the Pfizer vaccine to a certain extent.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/israeli-study-finds-south-african-variant-can-evade-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-5407089-Apr2021/


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