Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Donald Trump wrote: »

Who gives a shite what the lawyers say.


No locked doors and no agents of the state monitoring them directly or preventing egress.


Private security do not have any power to detain you.

They are the lawyers representing the State. If it's not detention why didn't the State argue that?

Should there be any exceptions?

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/irfu-and-government-in-talks-to-save-irelands-womens-six-nations-clash-against-france-and-champions-cup-40300909.html

Donald Trump wrote: »

What difference does it make what they call it?


Maybe they should rename it to "fluffy bunny love and joy camp"


I don't see the point in arguing semantics.


If they left the hotel, they would have been asked to return by the Gardai. I can't remember what they call it. They explain/ask/educate/whatever before arrest.


If they had refused to return, the Gardai would not have forced them back to the hotel. Instead they would have been arrested and brought to the barracks and placed on remand.

A massive difference. Calling it detention means it comes under the remit of Article 40.4.2 of the Constitution which has now led to the two detainees being released and a High Court enquiry into their detention. If they argued it wasn't a detention then it wouldn't be before the court as a Constitutional matter. You don't seem to understand what's at play here.

corkonion wrote: »

I don’t believe that people that are fully vaccinated and pass 2 covid tests should be detained at all. Or people coming from covid free countries like New Zealand simply because their connecting flight was in Doha.

I understand. But unfortunately the public health experts have to make their decisions based on these silly things called science and facts, rather than what random posters on boards.ie believe.

If they are very serious about the variants, which I have always had no problem with, then these should have been attempted to be contained properly. There have been cases of both variants here before the MHQ, but these were allowed to wander around just like the UK one, no doubt the numbers they are quoting now about the amount of variant cases spread from these initial cases. Are they afraid because they'd be detaining a whole lot of Irish people? Foreigners are easier facebook group fodder. Britain were literally chasing cases around villages there.

This and the lack of transparency on why some countries are and aren't added to the MHQ, these embarrassing latest cases and no inkling of a basic roadmap other than cheap sound bytes displays a half assed approach that they wrap up in a 'serious' ribbon by adding a load of countries rapidly. Some see the ribbon and not the mess underneath, and are chuffed by that.

Apoapsis Rex wrote: »

The court cases are dropped, so why would they be removed?

The cases are being heard tomorrow.

Edit:
The Times say they are released pending court hearings
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/two-travellers-from-israel-released-from-mandatory-hotel-quarantine-1.4534430#.YHMRpHql10U.twitter


RTE says the court cases have been dropped
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0411/1209125-court-quarantine/

Keep all new variants out. Remember Christmas? How can anyone seriously argue against restrictions unless they are involved in aviation.

jellies wrote: »

The whole thing is a fiasco and poorly thought out. But hardly fair if sports teams are exempt and hard cases (funerals, visits to sick relatives etc.) are not.

It will be harder for them to get an exception for sports than for a local lockdown.

When there is a local lockdown, the essential travel (or work related travel) is allowed. So it is really a matter of explaining that professional sports is more important than sports as a leisure, or any leisure outdoor activity, they are higher on the priority list so they get an exemption, fair enough.

For MHQ, for them to get an exemption, that means you judge on the reason for travel and not only country of origin and vaccines. Any other reason more essential than professional sports should also be allowed if they allow sport. So funerals, wedding, any other business related travel. It would be hard to swallow to give them an exemption if traveling for a funeral does not get any.
And if there is a positive test in their team (they are public figures so it will be known) in the following week, that is a disaster

saabsaab wrote: »

Keep all new variants out. Remember Christmas? How can anyone seriously argue against restrictions unless they are involved in aviation.

How will these restrictions keep new variants out while the border with NI is open, connectivity to the UK does not involve quarantine, Ro-Ro drivers are not quarantined etc. ?

daydorunrun wrote: »

I was wondering about that- will truck driver’s arriving at Rosslare and Dublin have to spend 2 weeks in MHQ?

Nope. Here is the exemptions list from citizensinformation.ie. They are not even tested as far as I know.

The exceptions are:

People travelling for urgent medical reasons
People arriving who have a mandatory legal obligation, for example, an arrest warrant or an extradition order
Gardaí or defence forces carrying out their duties
Diplomats or elected representatives carrying out essential functions
International transport workers who hold Annex 3 certificate and are carrying out their duties as drivers of a heavy goods vehicle
Airline pilots or aircrew, maritime master or maritime crew carrying out their duties
Members of the Oireachtas (Irish parliament) or the European Parliament carrying out their duties

kerrylad1 wrote: »

Just to show how much of a joke this all is.Dropped off a few groceries their,to my old lad.Home from what some here call his "jollies" in lanza last saturday.He could have jogged around limerick licking everyone last 8 days.Not 1 call or text, to check up on him.Yet they were willing to detain people with negative pcr tests and fully jabbed,from visiting dying relatives.What the hell is going on?

Given your paragraph above, and ignoring your oul' fella's unusual penchant for jogging around and licking people, how can you not understand the need for centralized managed facilities for arrivals from countries which are high risk?




Whatever about jogging around and licking people in general, I definitely wouldn't be doing it to Limerick people. If you selected a random Limerick person to lick, you'd be lucky if they only had scabies. Allegedly.






(Collison brothers. If you are reading this, you can send me a few quid. I'm only joking. I won't mention stab city or anything)

Donald Trump wrote: »

I don't think there will be exemptions. Or that there should be. I mean for sports.


Was there not a recent story about a rugby player for a French team who went back to SA to get his pilots licence or something and then couldn't come to Ireland to play a match?


If they want the match to go ahead, they could try to have it played elsewhere.

Yes this did happen to the SA international player Rynhardt Elstadt who plays club rugby for toulouse, he had to miss the Munster V Toulouse game because he went back to South Africa last week

On a related note, it seems Leinsters game against La Rochelle could be called off and the South African involvement in the rainbow cup could be in jeopardy for the same reason

Tazz T wrote: »

or countless other industries affected by lockdowns

obviously not yours

/and just to repeat ad infinitum the restrictions will never keep variants out - they are pointless/

The virus affects everyone.