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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #5462
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Faugheen wrote: »
    • Lowest daily number since mid-December.
    • Lowest number of new hospitalisations since November

    Both figures from the so-called doomsday master Ronan Glynn.

    Wait a minute, its as if he wants reasons for this to end and not the other way around like some conspiracy nuts here would have you believe.

    It would help if he would stop talking about 'a degree of normality' and start saying 'full normality'. And it would also help if there was a level 0 in the 'living with covid plan'. His 'a degree of normality' sounds like the still heavily restricted level 1, the lowest level in the plan.


  • #5463
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    is_that_so wrote: »
    That's a dog chasing its tail! They want everyone to be vaccinated but apparently they can be infected afterwards anyway.

    Yes, if they play this card too hard, as a justification for MHQ, it will definitely impact vaccination take up


  • #5464
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 513 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    prunudo wrote: »
    The over cautious approach continues, lets focus on all the negative possibilities, never open the economy again and hope for the best.
    Someone started a thread about 2021 being a right off, I was foolishly optimistic and said no it will be fine. Yet here we are, 3 ½ months in and they're still finding stories to scare us with, variants of concern being the new buzz word.
    The rate we're going, 2022 will be a right off too if those pulling the strings had their way.

    The ''variants of concern'' is not the issue to which I was pointing. It is that the variants are being carried by fully vaccinated people. Which leads to many questions including the obvious one about why people are clamouring for vaccine passports. A negative PCR test result is better than a vaccine passport if preventing virus travelling or spreading in venues is what people intend. Easy cheap on the spot covid tests are better at stopping viral spread.

    People can reject the implications all they want and I understand, because all of this is a very unpleasant adventure in our lifetimes - I will unfollow now just to avoid seeing the sneering - but the implications are clear and vaccination is not the get out of jail card people are blindly hoping it will be. I was just linking to the info.


  • #5465
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,440 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Good news.

    https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1381269321171800066

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #5466
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    I kind of read that article a bit different to others...My thoughts were ‘We could have saved ourselves so much hassle/bother if we started quarantining earlier - even in January! How many other cases came through the airports previous. Not saying it would have solved everything but upsetting seeing this. Yet they still talk about outside and try dismiss the fact that outside basically is super low risk’...They were more my thoughts...
    I think it's more of a defence of the rules they came up, which may now need to be changed, quietly.


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  • #5467
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    They are always under constant review.


  • #5468
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I think it's more of a defence of the rules they came up, which may now need to be changed, quietly.

    So can you clarify? What do you mean?


  • #5469
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The ''variants of concern'' is not the issue to which I was pointing. It is that the variants are being carried by fully vaccinated people. Which leads to many questions including the obvious one about why people are clamouring for vaccine passports. A negative PCR test result is better than a vaccine passport if preventing virus travelling or spreading in venues is what people intend. Easy cheap on the spot covid tests are better at stopping viral spread.

    People can reject the implications all they want and I understand, because all of this is a very unpleasant adventure in our lifetimes - I will unfollow now just to avoid seeing the sneering - but the implications are clear and vaccination is not the get out of jail card people are blindly hoping it will be. I was just linking to the info.
    There is currently a complete obsession by NPHET with VOCs and that will remain. Number are falling anyway, my own feeling is that walk-ins are having an impact. In time rapid tests will have to play a bigger part. The DoH needs to take a good look at the sloppy messaging that is in that article. The claims they are making now against letting fully vaccinated people go free are the exact opposite of what they are using to persuade people to get vaccinated.


  • #5470
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    normanoffside wrote: »
    The numbers given are those in Hospital with Covid 19, so surely you would have to assume they do include those who acquired it in Hospital?

    There's 2 figures being recorded on the dashboard.
    Covid admissions and new covid cases confirmed in hospital.
    On the hpsc reports, it just states number hospitalised. There's no way to confirm which figure that is related to (admissions/covid cases in hospital)


  • #5471
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    So can you clarify? What do you mean?

    I think they are covering their asses on the parts of the Act they wrote that now seem to be causing problems. In time IMO they will quietly change the regulations around MHQ.


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  • #5472
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Any county breakdown released?


  • #5473
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    is_that_so wrote: »
    There is currently a complete obsession by NPHET with VOCs and that will remain. Number are falling anyway, my own feeling is that walk-ins are having an impact. In time rapid tests will have to play a bigger part. The DoH needs to take a good look at the sloppy messaging that is in that article. The claims they are making now against letting fully vaccinated people go free are the exact opposite of what they are using to persuade people to get vaccinated.

    Indeed. If there is no tangible benefit to me of getting vaccinated, I will not get vaccinated at this stage.


  • #5474
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Good news.

    https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1381269321171800066

    Exactly what you want to see the day before the big reopening. Great progress in the UK


  • #5475
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Indeed. If there is no tangible benefit to me of getting vaccinated, I will not get vaccinated at this stage.

    What about the benefits to those around you ?


  • #5476
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Indeed. If there is no tangible benefit to me of getting vaccinated, I will not get vaccinated at this stage.

    Would you take a vaccine that's proven safe?


  • #5477
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    What about the benefits to those around you ?

    Their vaccines should help them. If someone doesn't want to take the vaccine, leave them at it. I'll be taking it and so will most people, let the odd few who aren't do what they want.


  • #5478
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    Anyone else think they are not going to relax much here in May????!!! Despite figures/evidence/science?

    Feel like they are set on certain dates and they won’t budge....Like the could easily bring forward the 26th of April to the 19th for example for outdoor sports yet not a chance this will happen...


  • #5479
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    Would you take a vaccine that's proven safe?
    Proven safe is not quite as nailed down as you imagine although I believe the poster was responding to the DoH stuff today on people being fully vaccinated.


  • #5480
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    Anyone else think they are not going to relax much here in May????!!! Despite figures/evidence/science?

    Feel like they are set on certain dates and they won’t budge....Like the could easily bring forward the 26th of April to the 19th for example for outdoor sports yet not a chance this will happen...

    We live in a country in the most severe level of lockdown with 20% of our population vaccinated. And the most vulnerable at that.

    The only country to close construction this year.
    The only country that has imposed travel restrictions on its citizens for 7 months now.

    Nothing will be brought forward. They’ll probably still be reluctant to open pubs when everyone is vaccinated.


  • #5481
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,695 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    303 cases 2 deaths RIP

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



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  • #5482
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    Anyone else think they are not going to relax much here in May????!!! Despite figures/evidence/science?

    Feel like they are set on certain dates and they won’t budge....Like the could easily bring forward the 26th of April to the 19th for example for outdoor sports yet not a chance this will happen...
    The vaccine supply is substantially increasing beginning from about now. I'm not expecting any major changes in May unfortunately, but as we approach 50-60% vaccinated that should change (maybe June-ish).


  • #5483
    XsApollo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    theballz wrote: »
    Listened to McWilliams this week. The stats he referenced re our ICU capacity per 100,000 people was terrifying and is ultimately the driver behind the heavy lockdown we have over the last year.

    5 ICU beds per 100,000 people in Ireland (same as Mexico) vs 39 ICU beds per 100,000 people in Germany yet we have one of the best funded health systems in the world?

    The HSE needs a major reform post covid. Paul Reid (as great as a job he has done) needs to go and we need an experienced CEO who has managed such a reform in the past to do it. Stephen Donnelly also has no idea what he’s doing and is one of the most disingenuous politician I’ve ever seen.

    Last year people had a sense of togetherness and hope, now it’s frustration and anger.

    You can’t reform a system that won’t let you reform it.
    They will all go on strike if anything is changed.
    The only solution from the people in the system is for the government to pump more money in to the system.
    There are plenty of people in the health system that do amazing work and should be rewarded more generously than they are, there is also a serious amount of waste that needs to be cut, any attempt at reform is met with negativity, like a lot of the public services in this country.
    For the money we spend we should have one of the best health systems in the world, it really should be disbanded and built from the ground up but that will never happen.


  • #5484
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,477 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We live in a country in the most severe level of lockdown with 20% of our population vaccinated.

    We have only around 7% of the population fully vaccinated, and some of those are waiting for the second dose to take effect.


  • #5485
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We live in a country in the most severe level of lockdown with 20% of our population vaccinated. And the most vulnerable at that.

    The only country to close construction this year.
    The only country that has imposed travel restrictions on its citizens for 7 months now.

    Nothing will be brought forward. They’ll probably still be reluctant to open pubs when everyone is vaccinated.
    Not to cast any doubt on your assertions, but have you something resembling a reference for that 20% figure?


  • #5486
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Not to cast any doubt on your assertions, but have you something resembling a reference for that 20% figure?

    It's based on the adult population, 1 in 5 adults have received a first dose.


  • #5487
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,477 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Someone in my family is in their late sixties and undergoing chemotherapy, and has only just received their first dose.

    The reality is that there are a decent number of such vulnerable people who won't be protected by their second dose until the end of May, and are relying on close support from younger relatives and friends who haven't been vaccinated.

    That's why the situation is still precarious. I am optimistic that at the end of May we'll be out of the woods, and then for the most part the remaining unvaccinated people (like me) can take precautions to protect themselves as they see fit whilst most things open back up.

    It's "only" another six weeks ish.


  • #5488
    Bigly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 ✭Bigly


    When do the single shot vaccines come into play?


  • #5489
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Bigly wrote: »
    When do the single shot vaccines come into play?
    When we get the second J&J batch, so probably next month. It is quite likely the first batch of 40K will be used for Travellers, Roma and homeless.


  • #5490
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Bigly wrote: »
    When do the single shot vaccines come into play?

    First delivery of j&j is due on the week of 19 April afaik.

    That said it wont be choice which vaccine you get.


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  • #5491
    Steve012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Steve012


    is_that_so wrote: »
    When we get the second J&J batch, so probably next month. It is quite likely the first batch of 40K will be used for Travellers, Roma and homeless.

    Did you hear that from somewhere, about the first batch?


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