Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Donald Trump · 11-04-2021 02:57PM

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Fair enough. What about the islands of Bonaire who haven’t had a COVID case in 2021. What variants should we be afraid of there?

Getting to there and back would mean transiting through the Netherlands who are not on our red list.

I don't know much about Bonaire other than it is a great place to go for diving.

The US CDC lists it as very high for Covid:
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/covid-4/coronavirus-bonaire

Donald Trump · 11-04-2021 02:58PM

zebastein wrote: »

I like how people argue that it is not a detention centre, but all media write that the 2 people have been "released" today. So they were detained?

No. They were released from their obligation to quarantine in the managed facility.

They will still be required to quarantine elsewhere.

(whether you think that they will or not is up to yourself)

deckie66 · 11-04-2021 03:00PM

zebastein wrote: »

I like how people argue that it is not a detention centre, but all media write that the 2 people have been "released" today. So they were detained?

In the first of the cases in the High Ct the state acknowledged that they were detained

SusanC10 · 11-04-2021 03:02PM

Can someone list out the Variants of Concern for me please ?

I know that there is a South African variant and 1 or possibly 2 Brazilian variants - are there more ?

Donald Trump · 11-04-2021 03:06PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Can someone list out the Variants of Concern for me please ?

I know that there is a South African variant and 1 or possibly 2 Brazilian variants - are there more ?

Some here:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/variant-surveillance/variant-info.html#Concern

Those are ones that are currently to be found in the US

normanoffside · 11-04-2021 03:13PM

zebastein wrote: »

I like how people argue that it is not a detention centre, but all media write that the 2 people have been "released" today. So they were detained?

Stephen Donnelly has admitted it is detention so I'll go with that

normanoffside · 11-04-2021 03:14PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Different case

Yes but it proves the man wasn't released just because of the right to visit his dying father.

normanoffside · 11-04-2021 03:23PM

From this Times article it sounds like the court cases are going ahead tomorrow.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/two-travellers-from-israel-released-from-mandatory-hotel-quarantine-1.4534430#.YHMRpHql10U.twitter

ZX7R · 11-04-2021 03:25PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Yes but it proves the man wasn't released just because of the right to visit his dying father.

I didn't say that was the reason, it was what was suggested as what was produced as additional evidence.
There two different cases, I don't know the reasons why they were both released or on what grounds, possibly both been vaccinated is the most common assumption.
The fact the state didn't proceed to the high court to defend the continued detention of them both throws big doubts on MHQ in its current state, or at all.

11-04-2021 03:28PM

normanoffside wrote: »

From this Times article it sounds like the court cases are going ahead tomorrow.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/two-travellers-from-israel-released-from-mandatory-hotel-quarantine-1.4534430#.YHMRpHql10U.twitter

From reading that it appears the court ordered their release.
So not the government's idea then.
These cases will be interesting to see

Micky 32 · 11-04-2021 04:20PM

RTE news now reporting 3 outbreaks due to flights coming into Ireland. How convenient.

“”The department has defended the rules requiring people arriving from designated countries, who are fully vaccinated, to quarantine in a hotel.””

“” A spokesperson said there is some evidence that individuals who have already been vaccinated have subsequently been diagnosed with a variant of concern.””

I have a feeling the government will win this in court and if their narrative is as above our days of travelling are finished. I can’t see it any other way with that narrative. Variants of concern will never go away.

Jack1985 · 11-04-2021 04:24PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

“” A spokesperson said there is some evidence that individuals who have already been vaccinated have subsequently been diagnosed with a variant of concern.””

Provide us with the evidence then, the international community would like to see it too.

hmmm · 11-04-2021 04:30PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

RTE news now reporting 3 outbreaks due to flights coming into Ireland. How convenient.

I looked at the surveillance report and there were 385 "outbreaks" in total listed last week.

Why does RTE not try to present even a semblance of balance, and go straight for the scary headline?

I agree we should have MHQ for certain countries. I'd like to see it competently implemented. Headlines like this make me less likely to trust what I'm being told.

I notice also that Iceland are allowing all vaccinated travelers, and don't seem to have the same problems we have with their identity documents.
https://www.landlaeknir.is/um-embaettid/greinar/grein/item44162/Certificate-of-vaccination-against-COVID-19-accepted-at-the-border

Micky 32 · 11-04-2021 04:37PM

hmmm wrote: »

I looked at the surveillance report and there were 385 "outbreaks" in total listed last week.

Why does RTE not try to present even a semblance of balance, and go straight for the scary headline?

I agree we should have MHQ for certain countries. I'd like to see it competently implemented. Headlines like this make me less likely to trust what I'm being told.

I notice also that Iceland are allowing all vaccinated travelers, and don't seem to have the same problems we have with their identity documents.
https://www.landlaeknir.is/um-embaettid/greinar/grein/item44162/Certificate-of-vaccination-against-COVID-19-accepted-at-the-border

Someone posted earlier that Ryan said on the radio vaccinated people will soon not need to quarantine. However the same person wanted us to grow salad in our window boxes :rolleyes:

The proof of vaccination issue NPHET have is just an excuse.

M_Murphy57 · 11-04-2021 04:40PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Someone posted earlier that Ryan said on the radio vaccinated people will soon won’t need to quarantine. However the same person wanted us to grow salad in our window boxes :rolleyes:

And to cycle to Spain for holidays to curb emissions

Donald Trump · 11-04-2021 04:52PM

Eamon Ryan this week narrowly avoided jail for running a brothel in Clare.

Not the politician one. A different Eamon Ryan just in case boards.ie legal people go mental :pac:

josip · 11-04-2021 06:24PM

zebastein wrote: »

I like how people argue that it is not a detention centre, but all media write that the 2 people have been "released" today. So they were detained?

Yes, state lawyers conceded yesterday or the day before. that it was detention.

mmclo · 11-04-2021 06:24PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Incredible that Israel sorted out their variants in the space of a week. Fair play to them.

Even the unknown ones!

josip · 11-04-2021 06:26PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

No. They were released from their obligation to quarantine in the managed facility.

They will still be required to quarantine elsewhere.

(whether you think that they will or not is up to yourself)

Incorrect just like all your other posts, state lawyers conceded it was detention.

mmclo · 11-04-2021 06:31PM

State knows if it looses MHQ case entire law could be struck down so trying to avoid “hard cases”, if the law was struck down its debatable if the Government would survive

bluelamp · 11-04-2021 06:34PM

The new countries aren't even set up on the quarantine hotel website - it's required after midnight on Wednesday, and you can't even book it.

This is going to be an embarrassing week for the government.

https://www.quarantinehotelsireland.ie/

normanoffside · 11-04-2021 06:35PM

bluelamp wrote: »

The new countries aren't even set up on the quarantine hotel website - it's required after midnight on Wednesday, and you can't even book it.

This is going to be an embarrassing week for the government.

https://www.quarantinehotelsireland.ie/

And Israel is still there

Tazz T · 11-04-2021 06:37PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Aye without doubt. However i’m finding it hard to put him on my ignore list. Sometimes his posts are entertaining also he does have an air of positivity about him, he does constantly remind us MHQ will be temporary. He’s not a doom merchant. :pac:

I still want to know what he does for a living.

I really do. Can you imagine the watercooler?

corkonion · 11-04-2021 06:47PM

The MHQ is a farce, people from all over the world flying into Heathrow or Amsterdam to get a connecting flight to Ireland, let’s say a passenger from Brazil sits next to a passenger from the uk, the Brazilian gets quarantined while the UK person doesn’t, yet last week a New Zealander was forced to quarantine because her flight changeover was in Doha or somewhere like that. An absolute shambles

corkonion · 11-04-2021 06:51PM

mmclo wrote: »

State knows if it looses MHQ case entire law could be struck down so trying to avoid “hard cases”, if the law was struck down its debatable if the Government would survive

That’s one excellent reason to hope the law is struck down.

Tazz T · 11-04-2021 06:51PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Ah sure how do I know he's not the (second) coming of the Messiah.

Because that's clearly you

Donald Trump · 11-04-2021 06:53PM

Tazz T wrote: »

Because that's clearly you

Well I'm definitely not a very naughty boy

Apoapsis Rex · 11-04-2021 06:54PM

normanoffside wrote: »

And Israel is still there

The court cases are dropped, so why would they be removed?

jellies · 11-04-2021 06:55PM

What about Leinster rugby who are supposed to play away in La Rochelle on 30th April? Two weeks quarantine when they return?
Sports people are not on the quarantine exemption list. Another fine mess....

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/travel_to_ireland/hotel_quarantine.html

Donald Trump · 11-04-2021 06:55PM

josip wrote: »

Incorrect just like all your other posts, state lawyers conceded it was detention.

Who gives a shite what the lawyers say.

No locked doors and no agents of the state monitoring them directly or preventing egress.

Private security do not have any power to detain you.

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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